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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:56 pm

Condunum wrote:Well, your first mistake is believing that one date means anything in the dating world. Second, one night stands happen. Take it on the chin and move on.

I personally don't think I could ever have a one-night stand. I'm too romantic for my own good. But that doesn't mean I get to chastise people who like one-night stands.
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:57 pm

The Flood wrote:
New Lexington wrote:So, now were to tell sexually active teens you shouldn't wear protection because its immoral? Its immoral to be safe?
Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.

That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:01 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.

Nope, I have no moral objection to sex outside of marriage.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:03 pm

Cupola wrote:
The Flood wrote:Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.

That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.

In general and not only to teenagers.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:03 pm

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Grenartia wrote:No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

Gren is a faithful christian.
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:05 pm

Camelza wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.

In general and not only to teenagers.

Of course.
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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:06 pm

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New Lexington wrote:Engaging in physical expression of love is immoral? How so? For more credibility, try and answer without citing one religions dogmatic beleifs.

And what do you describe as casual? Sex out of marriage? Or sex for pleasure? How is engaging in sexual activity with a consenting partner for enjoyment in anyway negative or detrimental? Also, why should you care what one does in the bedroom so long as it does not directly impact you?
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:eyebrow: By that reason, we should hospitalize and treat for delusions all monotheists.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:06 pm

The Flood wrote:
Grenartia wrote:No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?


If they all claimed that sex without marriage is inherently immoral, then yes.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:07 pm

Cupola wrote:
The Flood wrote:Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.

That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:08 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Flood wrote:Morally it is.

Nope, I have no moral objection to sex outside of marriage.

But he does that means his objection must be implemented by all humanity.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:08 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Flood wrote:So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

Gren is a faithful christian.
Actually, I believe Gren keeps the Old Gods, that or possibly the Faith of the Seven :P
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:09 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Flood wrote:So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

Gren is a faithful christian.


You must be the only person who looks at sigs. :p
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:09 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

You truly DONT have any idea what you're talking about.

Learn what delinquency means. Because it aure as hell doesn't mean teens who engage in sex.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:11 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.


Except, its hardly "acting like an animal". And I'm not a delinquent.

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Dyakovo wrote:Gren is a faithful christian.
Actually, I believe Gren keeps the Old Gods, that or possibly the Faith of the Seven :P


I actually don't get that reference...
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:12 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

On the contrary.
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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:12 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Flood wrote:Of course not. It comes from God.

Which one? Shiva? Quetzalcoatl?

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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:12 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:13 pm

New Lexington wrote:
The Flood wrote:It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

You truly DONT have any idea what you're talking about.
Learn what delinquency means. Because it aure as hell doesn't mean teens who engage in sex.

A delinquent is a minor who commits crimes or immoral actions, so yes, teens who engage in sex are delinquents.
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Postby Cannot think of a name » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:14 pm

New Lexington wrote:
The Flood wrote:Because you are selfishly using another person for personal gratification, in an unloving fashion.

I advise you learn what consent is.

Rape is not casual sex.

Consider: The poster in question is in a repetitive loop and is stating his position in the broadest and most absolute manner possible. When challenged, for several pages, he simply restates the broader terms of his stance.

Someone truly vested in such an argument would have at the very least considered it slightly if only to justify a dogged adherence to it and would have, at some point, created at the very least some nuance to the way they express it.

Further, in the absolute closest he is able to come to what could be considered a support or defense for his position is to apply a bizarre caricature of the logic to arguments about evolution and young earth creationism, suggesting not only a familiarity with them but an acceptance to them. While it is entirely possible for a Christian super-moralist to also accept science as science and does not in and of itself denote someone who is having a laugh, the fact that such detail in one area while lacking in another, plus the increasing ridiculousness of various statements does lead one to a particular conclusion.

Taking that all into account: How much sincerity do you want to assume the poster has?
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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:15 pm

The Flood wrote:
Camelza wrote:*Sigh* I'll hate myself later for doing this, but; Why is casual sex degrading?
Because it is an unloving abuse of the human person.

Historically, it's usually a caring mutule pleasure. It's no good for me, but thouse it makes happy --more power to them.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:15 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:That is really counter-intuitive. Not only would you lose the respect of the teenagers but also you are promoting an unhealthy practice of self-denial.
It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

So now im a juvenile criminal for engaging in sexual activity?
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:15 pm

The Flood wrote:
New Lexington wrote:You truly DONT have any idea what you're talking about.
Learn what delinquency means. Because it aure as hell doesn't mean teens who engage in sex.

A delinquent is a minor who commits crimes or immoral actions, so yes, teens who engage in sex are delinquents.

No, it isn't. You have a nasty habit with intentionally skewed definitions and I can see that.
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Postby Gaelic Celtia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:17 pm

The Flood wrote:
New Lexington wrote:You truly DONT have any idea what you're talking about.
Learn what delinquency means. Because it aure as hell doesn't mean teens who engage in sex.

A delinquent is a minor who commits crimes or immoral actions, so yes, teens who engage in sex are delinquents.

Mutual sex isn't a cRime. Try again.

So are we to make casual sex a cRime now and hear cases on the matter? I thought compensation cases were frivolous.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:19 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Flood wrote:It is completely healthy, to tell them anything else but what I said is unhealthy. The only teenagers who's respect you would lose for telling them to not act like an animal are delinquents.

Except, its hardly "acting like an animal". And I'm not a delinquent.
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I actually don't get that reference...
A Song of Ice and Fire / Game of Thrones reference, there is a character called Gren :P

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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 3:20 pm

The Flood wrote:
Grenartia wrote:No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

Faith: regardless of in what, it a moral incapacitant, so yes.
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