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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:23 pm

Liriena wrote:
Camelza wrote:This doesn't contradict my post.
Oh god ....illicit pleasure, that's golden.

Ok, whatever you say ...after that Illicit pleasure thing I just can't take this conversation seriously. Sorry.
But you know, condoms are a thing.

Condoms, pills, IUD, and then there's the more permantent stuff.

Easy there, we don't want to scare him off....do we? :p

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Postby Libertarian California » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:24 pm

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My rule: Stop slut shaming once she utters the safety word.

Oh, I wasn't aware you were into that sort of smutty shenanigans. ;)


Well everyone's got a few dirty kinks they're into. I'd list them all here, but I'm already on thin ice with moderation ;)
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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:25 pm

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Vettrera wrote:Who's suffering? I'm really confused here.

Pain is suffering, to cause pain is by definition to cause suffering. Sadism is by definition enjoying making others feel pain.

Saying it dosen't make it true.
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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:27 pm

Rebel America wrote:So, you're all okay with people have sex over and over with many different people in short amounts of time?

I'm asking for your opinion about others, not yourself. Don't pull that "it's not your business" card. If you don't want to tell me, don't.

Think of it this way:
You meet a nice person of your sexual (gender) preference while out with your friends. You get their number. Later, you go on a date. All goes well, you end up having sex. But then, you buddy texts you saying, "Hey, I saw [enter name here] having sex with another person in a car! I swear, it looks just like [enter name here]!
You confront your was-to-be lover and their excuse is that you're not in a relationship.

How does that make you feel?

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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:30 pm

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The Flood wrote:Of course not, I am not married.

Then you admit that have no clue what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:31 pm

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The Flood wrote:Of course not, I am not married.

"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:32 pm

Camelza wrote:
The Flood wrote:Their purpose is not to make the other person happy, but to make themselves happy. And even if they are doing it for the other person, which is unlikely, they are still providing someone with an illicit pleasure.

This doesn't contradict my post. Also, you enjoy sex more if your partner enjoys it too...
Oh god ....illicit pleasure, that's golden.
Not to mention the many risks of casual sex, such as spreading STDs, accidental pregnancy, or creating emotional harm, all contribute to the inherent immorality of promiscuity.

Ok, whatever you say ...after that Illicit pleasure thing I just can't take this conversation seriously. Sorry.
But you know, condoms are a thing.
Condoms are not 100% effective, and their use as an enabler of promiscuity makes them immoral when used for that purpose as well.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:36 pm

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Grenartia wrote:Then you admit that have no clue what you're talking about.
I know exactly what I'm talking about.


No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.

Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:38 pm

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Dyakovo wrote:"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.

For most of us, it isn't, for the reason that most of us think marriage isn't a holy union that gives a justification for sexual intercourse. It's more of an excuse for forcing oneself to abstain from sex, which isn't healthy in any way, shape or form.
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:39 pm

The Flood wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.

Given that morality is subjective as fuck... no.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:39 pm

The Flood wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.


Prove it.
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Postby Threlizdun » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:40 pm

The Flood wrote:
Dyakovo wrote:"Being married" isn't a requirement for "having sex".
Morally it is.

No it's not.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:40 pm

The Flood wrote:
Camelza wrote:This doesn't contradict my post. Also, you enjoy sex more if your partner enjoys it too...
Oh god ....illicit pleasure, that's golden.

Ok, whatever you say ...after that Illicit pleasure thing I just can't take this conversation seriously. Sorry.
But you know, condoms are a thing.
Condoms are not 100% effective, and their use as an enabler of promiscuity makes them immoral when used for that purpose as well.

Condoms.
Immoral.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:41 pm

Grenartia wrote:
The Flood wrote:I know exactly what I'm talking about.

No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?
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Postby Liriena » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:42 pm

Camelza wrote:
The Flood wrote:Condoms are not 100% effective, and their use as an enabler of promiscuity makes them immoral when used for that purpose as well.

Condoms.
Immoral.
I think I've had enough brain cell loss for a day.

Pfff, who cares if condoms save lives every day and slow down the spread of STIs and HIV/AIDS across the world! They don't work all the time, and it makes people have more sex! It's satanic, I tell you!

*sigh* Wanna bet how many lives that sort of talk has ruined?
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:43 pm

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Grenartia wrote:No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

I would. Nice Scotsman argument, by the way.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:43 pm

Liriena wrote:
Camelza wrote:Condoms.
Immoral.
I think I've had enough brain cell loss for a day.

Pfff, who cares if condoms save lives every day and slow down the spread of STIs and HIV/AIDS across the world! They don't work all the time, and it makes people have more sex! It's satanic, I tell you!
*sigh* Wanna bet how many lives that sort of talk has ruined?
Condoms can be used to prevent STDs in a moral fashion, but using them as an enabler of casual sex is immoral.
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:46 pm

The Flood wrote:
Liriena wrote:Pfff, who cares if condoms save lives every day and slow down the spread of STIs and HIV/AIDS across the world! They don't work all the time, and it makes people have more sex! It's satanic, I tell you!
*sigh* Wanna bet how many lives that sort of talk has ruined?
Condoms can be used to prevent STDs in a moral fashion, but using them as an enabler of casual sex is immoral.

So, now were to tell sexually active teens you shouldn't wear protection because its immoral? Its immoral to be safe?
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:46 pm

Liriena wrote:
Camelza wrote:Condoms.
Immoral.
I think I've had enough brain cell loss for a day.

Pfff, who cares if condoms save lives every day and slow down the spread of STIs and HIV/AIDS across the world! They don't work all the time, and it makes people have more sex! It's satanic, I tell you!

*sigh* Wanna bet how many lives that sort of talk has ruined?

Enough to feel rightfully outraged when spotting that sort of talk.

Plus, this "holier than thou" attitude is downright "immoral" itself by their own supposed standards.

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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:47 pm

New Lexington wrote:
The Flood wrote:Condoms can be used to prevent STDs in a moral fashion, but using them as an enabler of casual sex is immoral.

So, now were to tell sexually active teens you shouldn't wear protection because its immoral? Its immoral to be safe?
Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:47 pm

Rebel America wrote:So, you're all okay with people have sex over and over with many different people in short amounts of time?

I'm asking for your opinion about others, not yourself. Don't pull that "it's not your business" card. If you don't want to tell me, don't.

Think of it this way:
You meet a nice person of your sexual (gender) preference while out with your friends. You get their number. Later, you go on a date. All goes well, you end up having sex. But then, you buddy texts you saying, "Hey, I saw [enter name here] having sex with another person in a car! I swear, it looks just like [enter name here]!
You confront your was-to-be lover and their excuse is that you're not in a relationship.

How does that make you feel?

Well, your first mistake is believing that one date means anything in the dating world. Second, one night stands happen. Take it on the chin and move on.
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:48 pm

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Grenartia wrote:No, you don't, or you wouldn't be saying what you're saying.
Also, nice job ignoring everything else I've said, as if I never said them.
So you would claim that all faithful Christians don't know what they are talking about?

In regards to sex of the casual variety, yes absolutely.
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Postby Condunum » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:49 pm

The Flood wrote:
New Lexington wrote:So, now were to tell sexually active teens you shouldn't wear protection because its immoral? Its immoral to be safe?
Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.

Condoms are not enablers. They do not "enable" anything other than protection from disease. Teens will have sex if they want to have sex, condoms or not.
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:49 pm

The Flood wrote:
New Lexington wrote:So, now were to tell sexually active teens you shouldn't wear protection because its immoral? Its immoral to be safe?
Nope, they're to be told that having sex as a teen is stupid, irresponsible, and gravely immoral, and that they should not do so until marriage.

Right. Im sure your holier than thou condemnations will definitely be taken to heart.

Most likely, like everyone thwy will simply tell you to mind your own damn b usinuess and stay out of peoples bedrooms.
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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:53 pm

The Flood wrote:
Camelza wrote:How so?
Because you are selfishly using another person for personal gratification, in an unloving fashion.

I advise you learn what consent is.

Rape is not casual sex.
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