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Postby ALMF » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:15 pm

Vettrera wrote:
Kiruri wrote:So we're back to the idea that virginity makes a woman more valuable?


That's just sad...

I feel like I'm back in Mississippi.[/quote]
Of 1893? :hug:
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Flood wrote:Sure, go on being glad to be a misogynist that abuses women for one's own gratification.

Most porn isn't abuse.

And gay porn exists as well.

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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:16 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Flood wrote:Sure, go on being glad to be a misogynist that abuses women for one's own gratification.

Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:16 pm

ALMF wrote:
Vettrera wrote:
That's just sad...

I feel like I'm back in Mississippi.

Of 1893? :hug:[/quote]
No, of now.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:17 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.

No more than having sex is degrading.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:17 pm

Cupola wrote:
The Flood wrote:I aim to encourage people to abandon promiscuity, not to force them to. Don't put words in my mouth. I never said we should outlaw promiscuity.

Your encouragements are without basis. Why don't you spend your resources on actual moral matters instead of engaging in debates over matters that shouldn't even be moral matters in the first place?
This is an actual moral matter, one of grave significance.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:17 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.


Bullshit.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:18 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.

Abuse is when it is done against the will of the participators. Porn actors are paid workers.

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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:18 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Most porn isn't abuse.
100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.

If the people who consented to being a part of pornography didn't want that, they shouldn't have filmed or let others film their sexual act and publish it for the whole world to see. That is the point of pornography, to provide other people a way to vent their fantasies.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:18 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Flood wrote:100% of porn is abuse. Watching porn is to degrade women (or men, occasionally) to objects, who exist for your pleasure. That is inherently an abuse of their person.

No more than having sex is degrading.
You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:19 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:Your encouragements are without basis. Why don't you spend your resources on actual moral matters instead of engaging in debates over matters that shouldn't even be moral matters in the first place?
This is an actual moral matter, one of grave significance.


No, its not. Not by any rational or reasonable stretch of the imagination.
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Postby Geilinor » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:19 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No more than having sex is degrading.
You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

Why is it your business?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:19 pm

Cannot think of a name wrote:
Salvageville wrote:People living nature of his fans crazy and strange odd body that you should be a search for you.

Is this a word scramble? Do I get a free hamburger if I figure it out?

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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:19 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:Your encouragements are without basis. Why don't you spend your resources on actual moral matters instead of engaging in debates over matters that shouldn't even be moral matters in the first place?
This is an actual moral matter, one of grave significance.

What significance? Who is harmed, how and on what magnitude? What kind of damage is caused here? Who is the victim?
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:20 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:No more than having sex is degrading.
You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

Ok, now I'm sure you're just joking.

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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:21 pm

Camelza wrote:
The Flood wrote:You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

Ok, now I'm sure you're just joking.
Certainly not.
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Postby The Flood » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:22 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Flood wrote:You're right, casual sex is degrading in the exact same way.

Why is it your business?
Because I care for people besides myself.
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:22 pm

The Alma Mater wrote:
greed and death wrote:I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9



None of that involves condemnation of him fucking at least 1000 different women, of which at least 300 were not his wife ;)
Which I daresay is vastly more different partners than most "sluts" will have had before being slutshamed.

He was a man that is ok for men.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:23 pm

The Flood wrote:
Camelza wrote:Ok, now I'm sure you're just joking.
Certainly not.

*Sigh* I'll hate myself later for doing this, but; Why is casual sex degrading?

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:25 pm

Rocopurr wrote:
The Emerald Dragon wrote:If a person sleeps around, i'll quietly tell people, to warn them.

Other than that, i'll do nothing.

Why would you need to warn others?

Look out! Person X is probably skilled in the sack!
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:27 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why is it your business?
Because I care for people besides myself.


You've still yet to respond to any of my posts demanding you prove its inherently immoral.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:29 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:No, it's not. Morality is subjective, not objective, and we're arguing about amoral issues here. Let people live their own lives while you live out yours.
It most certainly is not subjective.

The simple fact that other people have a moral code that differs from your own proves morality is subjective.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:31 pm

The Flood wrote:
Cupola wrote:Morality comes from people, does it not?
Of course not. It comes from God.

Which one? Shiva? Quetzalcoatl?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:36 pm

The Flood wrote:
Geilinor wrote:Why is it your business?
Because I care for people besides myself.

Wanting to control other people =/= caring about them
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 1:36 pm

Dyakovo wrote:
The Flood wrote:Of course not. It comes from God.

Which one? Shiva? Quetzalcoatl?

That's just unnecessary. He clearly said 'God'. Not 'a god'.
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