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Postby Itanpavia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:03 am

JUST. DON'T. DO. IT.
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Postby The Batorys » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:26 am

The Flood wrote:Casual sex and promiscuity are immoral, and should be condemned as such. They should be stigmatized by society at large, enough to discourage these actions, but not so much that it becomes hatred. This stigma should apply to both sexes evenly.

I also don't think words like 'slut' and 'whore' should be used in a derogatory sense. Only that promiscuity should not be considered acceptable behaviour.

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Postby New Lexington » Sun Jun 08, 2014 2:43 am

The Flood wrote:Casual sex and promiscuity are immoral, and should be condemned as such. They should be stigmatized by society at large, enough to discourage these actions, but not so much that it becomes hatred. This stigma should apply to both sexes evenly.

I also don't think words like 'slut' and 'whore' should be used in a derogatory sense. Only that promiscuity should not be considered acceptable behaviour.

Engaging in physical expression of love is immoral? How so? For more credibility, try and answer without citing one religions dogmatic beleifs.

And what do you describe as casual? Sex out of marriage? Or sex for pleasure? How is engaging in sexual activity with a consenting partner for enjoyment in anyway negative or detrimental? Also, why should you care what one does in the bedroom so long as it does not directly impact you?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:16 am

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Threlizdun wrote:Engaging in consensual sexual activty with people that want to experience minor degrees of pain while ensuring the safety of all parties involved and never pushing anyone outside what they are okay with doing makes me a terrible person? And then letting them do the same thing to me makes me...what, complacent in them being a terrible person?

It's literally called sadism, have we come to the point in this world where it's perfectly fine to be labeling oneself a sadist?

Yes. Why wouldn't it be?
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:19 am

The Flood wrote:Casual sex and promiscuity are immoral, and should be condemned as such. They should be stigmatized by society at large, enough to discourage these actions, but not so much that it becomes hatred. This stigma should apply to both sexes evenly.

I also don't think words like 'slut' and 'whore' should be used in a derogatory sense. Only that promiscuity should not be considered acceptable behaviour.

Why? What harm does it cause?


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And some people enjoy feeling a pain while having sex. Again if they are consenting what is the problem, especially as there is no actual harm occurring.

It will invariably decrease their self esteem. Nobody should enjoy pain, it's not natural or right.

Absolute bullshit.


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Threlizdun wrote:All of us are misguided at some point. I can't see how that's worse than being a Nazi.

And I would expect it to be offensive. I would take offense to such a statement as well if you used it against my beliefs, though it is the best comparison I can make to truly describe my utter contempt for the book.

I feel quite condescended being thought as a "misguided monster follower" for obvious reasons, I'd rather be called a nazi, they can at least think for themselves.

Ah... So you took offense because you consider Nazis to be better than yourself. Got it.
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Postby Alexanda » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:34 am

I do not, in any way, approve of prostitution. However, to accept somebody one does not have to approve of them. The limits of 'Slut Shaming' are, as far as I know, noted in law.
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Postby Seaxeland » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:34 am

Slut shaming wouldn't even exist if people weren't sluts.

Not that there is anything wrong with slut shaming, as there isn't. Immorality is always wrong and should be stopped at the source, lest the immoral be damned to Hell.

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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 5:35 am

Seaxeland wrote:Slut shaming wouldn't even exist if people weren't sluts.

Not that there is anything wrong with slut shaming, as there isn't. Immorality is always wrong and should be stopped at the source, lest the immoral be damned to Hell.

Absolute bullshit.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:08 am

Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

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Postby Alexanda » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:10 am

Camelza wrote:Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:12 am

Alexanda wrote:
Camelza wrote:Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.

It seems that you didn't understand my post.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:34 am

There is an interesting study out http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/06/0 ... 18711.html

Where slut shaming appears to be more about class than actual sexual behavior.
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Postby Dyakovo » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:41 am

Alexanda wrote:
Camelza wrote:Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.

Prove "the Lord" exists.
Prove "the Lord" created sex.
Prove "the Lord" only wanted married people to engage in it.
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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:45 am

Alexanda wrote:
Camelza wrote:Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?

Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.


Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
God seemed to like him just fine.
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:45 am

Dyakovo wrote:
Alexanda wrote:Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.

Prove "the Lord" exists.
Prove "the Lord" created sex.
Prove "the Lord" only wanted married people to engage in it.

Inb4; "the Lord moves in mysterious ways"
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Postby Greed and Death » Sun Jun 08, 2014 7:51 am

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Alexanda wrote:Because the Lord created sex to be an experience between a married couple.


Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
God seemed to like him just fine.

I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon
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Postby Camelza » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:00 am

greed and death wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
God seemed to like him just fine.

I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon

The LORD is so childish.

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Postby The Alma Mater » Sun Jun 08, 2014 8:03 am

greed and death wrote:
The Alma Mater wrote:
Solomon had 700 wives and 300 concubines.
God seemed to like him just fine.

I would direct your attention to 1 Kings 11:4-9

For it came to pass, when Solomon was old, that his wives turned away his heart after other gods: and his heart was not perfect with the LORD his God, as was the heart of David his father. For Solomon went after Ashtoreth the goddess of the Zidonians, and after Milcom the abomination of the Ammonites. And Solomon did evil in the sight of the LORD, and went not fully after the LORD, as did David his father. Then Solomon built a high place for Chemosh, the abomination of Moab, in the hill that is before Jerusalem, and for Molech, the abomination of the children of Ammon. And likewise did he for all his foreign wives, which burnt incense and sacrificed unto their gods. And the LORD was angry with Solomon


None of that involves condemnation of him fucking at least 1000 different women, of which at least 300 were not his wife ;)
Which I daresay is vastly more different partners than most "sluts" will have had before being slutshamed.
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Postby Grenartia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:10 am

Seaxeland wrote:1. Slut shaming wouldn't even exist if people weren't sluts.

2. Not that there is anything wrong with slut shaming, as there isn't. 3. Immorality is always wrong and should be stopped at the source, 4. lest the immoral be damned to Hell.



1. It also wouldn't exist if judgmental people like you would mind their own damn business.

2. Except, there objectively is, as its negatively judging people for an activity that deprives nobody of their rights without informed consent.

3. How, under any rational and reasonable system of ethics/morality, can consensual sex be considered "immoral" or "wrong"?

4. Source?
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Postby Llamalandia » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:13 am

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How valuable is a car that has been driven hundreds of times versus a brand new, never used car?

So we're back to the idea that virginity makes a woman more valuable?[/quote]

Well in a physical mechanical sense, yes. I mean, they have tightening suregeries for down there to restore it to umm...factory condition so to speak.

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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:15 am

Shut Shamming is a load of hokum. Anyone regardless of gender should be able to do anything they want with consenting adult partner(s), and its none of your business.
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Llamalandia wrote:Well in a physical mechanical sense, yes. I mean, they have tightening suregeries for down there to restore it to umm...factory condition so to speak.


What a load of absolute bullshit. You should be ashamed.
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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:21 am

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Well in a physical mechanical sense, yes. I mean, they have tightening suregeries for down there to restore it to umm...factory condition so to speak.


The supposed ritual breaking of the Hymen thing is a myth which I feel should be covered in sex ed.
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Postby Greater-London » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:23 am

Camelza wrote:Why having sex with many people is a good thing that doesn't deserve to be condemned in my head?


I wouldn't say that was true. If you choose to have sex with lots of people its neither good nor bad, its just what you choose to do.
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Postby Cupola » Sun Jun 08, 2014 11:23 am

Slut shaming should be frowned upon in every shape or form regardless of the circumstances due to it being grounded in archaic sexual taboos. Shame on you, slut shame. However, I don't think it should be banned.
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