If there is no God, is everything permissible?

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Disrespecting mom and dad is apparently overwhelming reason...

Or a woman speaking out of turn to a man.
Edit: Or is that just an Old Testament thing? I've really forgotten everything they taught me at Sunday School...

Nope, Women still are the weaker vessel, and need the strong backhand of a Man to keep her in line.

[Neutraligon]

And? apparently it is still overwhelming reason, as is some other very minor infractions.

The Lord is, apperantly, a God of Laws, even if those laws are unreasonable and silly.

Considering he blew his top and killed almost every living thing on the planet for the misdeeds of a human...considering that he threw all the animals out of eden for the mistakes of two humans and a snake...seems like a god of emotion then a god of laws.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The Lord is, apperantly, a God of Laws, even if those laws are unreasonable and silly.

Considering he blew his top and killed almost every living thing on the planet for the misdeeds of a human...considering that he threw all the animals out of eden for the mistakes of two humans and a snake...seems like a god of emotion then a god of laws.

The fun thing about God is that he can make up the laws as he goes along.

[Rio de Fuego]

And? apparently it is still overwhelming reason, as is some other very minor infractions.

The Lord is, apperantly, a God of Laws, even if those laws are unreasonable and silly.

It kind of depends, for christians the coming of the messiah invalidates most of the more ridiculous laws

[The Serbian Empire]

We should have ended this thread when we reached post 666

We can grow it to 6,666... Satan needs more sixes!

[Neutraligon]

Considering he blew his top and killed almost every living thing on the planet for the misdeeds of a human...considering that he threw all the animals out of eden for the mistakes of two humans and a snake...seems like a god of emotion then a god of laws.

The fun thing about God is that he can make up the laws as he goes along.

So he's completely arbitrary...sounds like a great guy.

[The Serbian Empire]

Considering he blew his top and killed almost every living thing on the planet for the misdeeds of a human...considering that he threw all the animals out of eden for the mistakes of two humans and a snake...seems like a god of emotion then a god of laws.

The fun thing about God is that he can make up the laws as he goes along.

That's why God is not loving and quite possibly is the worst thing to ever exist.

[Enfaru]

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer

Stop right there. God kills people with cancer in order to get rid of evil?

You quoted the entire message. Please read the entire message. The premise does in fact change.

The Bible states that God killed people, in fact the bible clearly states that God kills all the people...repeatedly! (Scuse grammar). God even takes bets to kill people. So yes. God killing people via cancer just to get a kick out of it I would wholly support and agree with because the evidence (bible) dictates that God is a... [blank]. Seriously, I haven't found one person in the bible that wasn't killed by God's whim.

As for citations of god killing innocents via diseases: The plague of every first born egyptian?

Allah/God/Yahweh, whatever name you wish to mark him by makes Hitler look like an angel.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The Lord is, apperantly, a God of Laws, even if those laws are unreasonable and silly.

It kind of depends, for christians the coming of the messiah invalidates most of the more ridiculous laws

And put up new ones, like how you have to drink wine and eat bread and pretend you are cannibalising him every sunday.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

The fun thing about God is that he can make up the laws as he goes along.

So he's completely arbitrary...sounds like a great guy.

He is a great fellow.

[Draica]

[The Serbian Empire]

So he's completely arbitrary...sounds like a great guy.

He is a great fellow.

If one is into having Stockholm Syndrome from the idea God can flood the earth at any time.

[The New Sea Territory]

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True. People believe in a magic man in the sky. Really ignorant.

[Draica]

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True. People believe in a magic man in the sky. Really ignorant.

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

[Rio de Fuego]

True. People believe in a magic man in the sky. Really ignorant.

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

How do you figure, sure many people are making jokes, but others are making actual points

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

True. People believe in a magic man in the sky. Really ignorant.

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

[The Serbian Empire]

True. People believe in a magic man in the sky. Really ignorant.

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

At this point, ignorance is just as much subjective as morality is.

[Aurora Novus]

What do you mean by "is everything permissable"? Like, in a literalist sense? Sure, everything is permissable, because there is no "objective" reason to do or not do something.

But that's not the same as asking "Why should/shouldn't I do X". The answer to that depends on your values and your environment, but ultimately it boils down to this: What is the testament of your will?

That's about it.

[Rio de Fuego]

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

And no point us atheists can make to disprove them, thus all religion threads are a deadlock

[The New Sea Territory]

No, the fact that you and other atheists are using Arguments from Ignorance and Appeal to Ridicule to make your point is ignorant.

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

Yeah. Debating theists is useless. Waste your life with your imaginary friend, Jesus. No skin off my back. But when you tell me I can't do what I want when I am not causing damage to other people, then I'll politely tell your god to fuck off.

[Nationes Pii Redivivi]

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

And no point us atheists can make to disprove them, thus all religion threads are a deadlock

It is not a question of whether God exist or not, but whether God is the author of all morality, which can be shown to be definitively wrong, as already established by Plato back even before Christian got around to being a thing.

[Katalonua]

No. Societal standards. Laws. The fact that some argue Humans, by their nature, don't like killing and those that do are likely mentally disturbed. Such as how human beings eventually break down into PTSD after killing their fellow man. Because something in our brain doesn't like it when we kill our fellow human beings.

Then there's social standards. Society is the result of human beings deciding that the best way to survive would be through functioning in groups. In order for these groups to function, the creators of society decided to establish some ground rules in order for the society to function as well as provide incentives to join their society. A society that doesn't allow rape will likely attract human beings that don't want to be raped or are vulnerable to rape from societies that allow it.

So, yeah, everything is not permissible if you want to survive in a functioning society. Unless you want anarchy, which, in that case, you can do what you want until the police get you or leave society altogether. Then you'll either die in a jail cell or die, very quickly BTW, alone in a forest.

[Rio de Fuego]

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

Yeah. Debating theists is useless. Waste your life with your imaginary friend, Jesus. No skin off my back. But when you tell me I can't do what I want when I am not causing damage to other people, then I'll politely tell your god to fuck off.

Hasa Diga Eebowai

[The New Sea Territory]

It kind of depends, for christians the coming of the messiah invalidates most of the more ridiculous laws

And put up new ones, like how you have to drink wine and eat bread and pretend you are cannibalising him every sunday.

I think he drank too much wine from communion himself!

[Draica]

Because there is no point that the Christian can make for God being the ultimate source of all morality without falling into the Euthyphro Problem. That is why many, even Christians, reject the Divine Command Theory.

Yeah. Debating theists is useless. Waste your life with your imaginary friend, Jesus. No skin off my back. But when you tell me I can't do what I want when I am not causing damage to other people, then I'll politely tell your god to fuck off.

If my imaginary friend(who's an actual historical figure) is imaginary to you, why are you mocking and attacking him? It's like mocking and attacking Bugs Bunny, he's a fake, fictional character..which is why many people don't spend time and waste their time in resources in making websites to disprove him.

If he's so fake and if he's so unreal, then why are you wasting so much time attacking what you deem to be fake and unreal..?