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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:53 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:
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And supposedly god knew he would fall, so again why create Satan. Also according to Jewish tradition, Satan never fell.

You can't question it, or you come back to why would he create us unless to watch us suffer


That's the problem right there.
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Postby Rio de Fuego » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:53 pm

-Arabiyyah- wrote:
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That sounds like what you are saying. So can you try to type more clearly?


Yeah I'm sorry I'm saying just because there is god that isn't why we have morals it's because he gave all humans morals to follow and those who don't will suffer. Because they have lost there ways from god to lose morals to join Shaitan.

I'm sorry is english your first language?
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:53 pm

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A test is our life to find the momineen and his community of thoese who are faithful and shall serve him. And he gives us free will to see what we shall do.


But god supposedly already knows what we are going to do, so how is it a test?

The real test is whether you're smart enough to figure out it's an unfair test, and cheat.
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:53 pm

-Arabiyyah- wrote:
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if God made us, and God know what we're going to do before we do it, why do we need this life? Why couldn't we just skip this whole process of dicking around and go straight to our destination?


A test is our life to find the momineen and his community of thoese who are faithful and shall serve him. And he gives us free will to see what we shall do.


So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:54 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
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He was a fallen angel

The first Biker Gang.


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Postby Quilavaland » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:54 pm

Wisconsin9 wrote:Why do so many people think survival of the fittest means rape, murder, and terrorize your way to the top? Cooperation is one of the greatest survival strategies there is.


This ^^^
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:54 pm

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
-Arabiyyah- wrote:
A test is our life to find the momineen and his community of thoese who are faithful and shall serve him. And he gives us free will to see what we shall do.


So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?


Yep.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:54 pm

-Arabiyyah- wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
That sounds like what you are saying. So can you try to type more clearly?


Yeah I'm sorry I'm saying just because there is god that isn't why we have morals it's because he gave all humans morals to follow and those who don't will suffer. Because they have lost there ways from god to lose morals to join Shaitan.


Wait so god gave humans all morals, but somehow made those morals imperfect? And again provide proof.
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:55 pm

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
-Arabiyyah- wrote:
A test is our life to find the momineen and his community of thoese who are faithful and shall serve him. And he gives us free will to see what we shall do.


So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?


Or get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell....
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Postby Rio de Fuego » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:55 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?


Or get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell....


So that's why gays go to hell
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:56 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
But god supposedly already knows what we are going to do, so how is it a test?

The real test is whether you're smart enough to figure out it's an unfair test, and cheat.


I always wondered why people are so certain the god told the truth about salvation considering god has been willing to lie.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?


Or get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell....


And get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell...
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:56 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
So he gave me the free will to do exactly what he decided I would do?


Yep.


SWAG. I'll remember to use that next time I get pulled over.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:57 pm

Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Or get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell....


And get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell...


Hot damn, just when I thought I couldn't laugh anymore!
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Postby Blasveck » Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:59 pm

Sun Wukong wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
But god supposedly already knows what we are going to do, so how is it a test?

The real test is whether you're smart enough to figure out it's an unfair test, and cheat.

Cheat?

Do we have to nail the teacher to get an A?
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:00 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Nationes Pii Redivivi wrote:
And get sodomized by the Fallen Angels MC in Hell...


Hot damn, just when I thought I couldn't laugh anymore!


I never people would be able to sell Hell as an attractive travel destination.
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The USGP
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Postby Rio de Fuego » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:00 pm

I realise this is a little late, but someone said you can't apply human feaututres to good. Then why would human morality apply to good, meaning what's to stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants (i.e. the porn example)
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:01 pm

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Hot damn, just when I thought I couldn't laugh anymore!


I never people would be able to see Hell as an attractive travel destination.


Considering that supposedly heaven is constantly being under the eye of a dictator who seems to have issues with fun...
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:I realise this is a little late, but someone said you can't apply human feaututres to good. Then why would human morality apply to good, meaning what's to stop him from doing whatever the hell he wants (i.e. the porn example)


Supposedly human morality came from god, so why can we not judge god using that morality.
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Postby The Remnants of Kobol » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
I never people would be able to see Hell as an attractive travel destination.


Considering that supposedly heaven is constantly being under the eye of a dictator who seems to have issues with fun...


You're right, I'd like to book a three week trip in August.
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Navy: 4 Strikestar Heavy Capital Warships, 54 Battlestars (Classes: 18 Mercury, 15 Jupiter, 21 Odin), 91 Gunstars
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Postby Sun Wukong » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Blasveck wrote:
Sun Wukong wrote:The real test is whether you're smart enough to figure out it's an unfair test, and cheat.

Cheat?

Do we have to nail the teacher to get an A?

You have made this monkey very happy just now.
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Postby Rio de Fuego » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
I never people would be able to see Hell as an attractive travel destination.


Considering that supposedly heaven is constantly being under the eye of a dictator who seems to have issues with fun...


Also based on biblical passages hell has a better climate than heaven
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Postby The New Sea Territory » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Hot damn, just when I thought I couldn't laugh anymore!


I never people would be able to sell Hell as an attractive travel destination.


Well....the gay saloon has live music every once in a while. Marilyn Manson usually plays. Also, great place to work on a tan.
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Postby Nationes Pii Redivivi » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:02 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
The Remnants of Kobol wrote:
I never people would be able to see Hell as an attractive travel destination.


Considering that supposedly heaven is constantly being under the eye of a dictator who seems to have issues with fun...


I've seen the people going to heaven...they all seem to be really dour and sexually repressed.
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Postby Neutraligon » Fri Jun 06, 2014 10:03 pm

Rio de Fuego wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
Considering that supposedly heaven is constantly being under the eye of a dictator who seems to have issues with fun...


Also based on biblical passages hell has a better climate than heaven


Plus more interesting people there.
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