If there is no God, is everything permissible?

[Rio de Fuego]

How and why?

He probably didn't want us to know much about it.

I can't blame him, doesn;t want us knowing he committed genocide

[Sun Wukong]

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer

Stop right there. God kills people with cancer in order to get rid of evil?

It's kind of nice when the other side just hands you the moral high-ground like that. I must confess.

[Neutraligon]

Even if God didn't exist, there would still be a ''treat others how you would like to be treated'' policy, in my opinion.

This. Religion mainly came up in the first place to enforce those types of rules and codify them into culture.

It's pretty easy, empathy and enlightened self interest. I know that I feel this way when I am hurt, other people probably feel the same way. I don't want to hurt, and I'm pretty sure others don't want to hurt either. Since I don't like it when I hurt, it would probably be better not to hurt others.

[Norstal]

Except for the fact that their is no god, never has been, and never will be unless retirees continue to deify Fox News. Then we'd have a pantheon of neocons.

All Media Time Warner Fox Walt Disney are doing the bidding of Shaitan.

Lol.

[Blasveck]

Am I the only one confused by the moral quandary that if God were not to exist, that suddenly, a whole lotta immoral things would suddenly become moral?

That people need the fear of an omnipotent, judgemental, bipolar bastard in the sky to be moral persons?

The quandary itself does not confuse me. It is an argument justifying the need for a God in modern times. Because we now don't need a God for the sun to rise tomorrow or to cure ourselves of the hickups, we need something more philosophical as an explanation to keep him around. After all, if he didn't serve a purpose, why would we spend so much of our lives devoted to him? Take a low level marketing class and you'll understand it perfectly.

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

[Rio de Fuego]

The quandary itself does not confuse me. It is an argument justifying the need for a God in modern times. Because we now don't need a God for the sun to rise tomorrow or to cure ourselves of the hickups, we need something more philosophical as an explanation to keep him around. After all, if he didn't serve a purpose, why would we spend so much of our lives devoted to him? Take a low level marketing class and you'll understand it perfectly.

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

Best ad firm in the roman empire

[The New Sea Territory]

How and why?

He probably didn't want us to know much about it.

As for how, He's God. He can do anything.

...so the KGB covering up murder is done in the image of God? God covered up his genocide like the other mass killers, such as Hitler. Obviously, they were too late.

And if he can do anything, why hasn't he proved his existence in some way we can actually understand?

[Norstal]

The quandary itself does not confuse me. It is an argument justifying the need for a God in modern times. Because we now don't need a God for the sun to rise tomorrow or to cure ourselves of the hickups, we need something more philosophical as an explanation to keep him around. After all, if he didn't serve a purpose, why would we spend so much of our lives devoted to him? Take a low level marketing class and you'll understand it perfectly.

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

Made the best selling book in history. Of course they are.

[Sun Wukong]

All Media Time Warner Fox Walt Disney are doing the bidding of Shaitan.

Lol.

I'll grant you Fox, but Disney is currently ruled by Skadi.

[Neutraligon]

So again, somehow newborns and not-borns are somehow evil? How are they evil?

Original sin

Jews, who came up with the story didn't believe in original sin.

[Norstal]

He probably didn't want us to know much about it.

As for how, He's God. He can do anything.

...so the KGB covering up murder is done in the image of God? God covered up his genocide like the other mass killers, such as Hitler. Obviously, they were too late.

And if he can do anything, why hasn't he proved his existence in some way we can actually understand?

Inb4 it's the works of Satan.

[Rio de Fuego]

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

Made the best selling book in history. Of course they are.

You can;t really call it best selling when they just give it away

[Llamalandia]

Without a God, all morality ultimately becomes entirely relative, so it depends on specific circumstances desires and motivations. But yeah, pretty much. Plus what does permissibility even mean? I mean, technically we can do whatever now, it's just that God's gonna have a word with us in the afterlife.

[Norstal]

Lol.

I'll grant you Fox, but Disney is currently ruled by Skadi.

Skadi's pretty hot, so I'll allow it. *nods*

[Blasveck]

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

Made the best selling book in history. Of course they are.

Damn, if only they charged interest on the sales.

[4years]

...so the KGB covering up murder is done in the image of God? God covered up his genocide like the other mass killers, such as Hitler. Obviously, they were too late.

And if he can do anything, why hasn't he proved his existence in some way we can actually understand?

Inb4 it's the works of Satan.

I prefer Prometheus.

[Rio de Fuego]

Original sin

Jews, who came up with the story didn't believe in original sin.

it was a guess, I'm not exactly a theologian

[Rio de Fuego]

Inb4 it's the works of Satan.

I prefer Prometheus.

Ugh, I prefer Alien

[The New Sea Territory]

The Apostles must've been some pretty good marketers.

Best ad firm in the roman empire

Call 1-800-GET-FUCKED.....call now and receive an additional trip to hell, free with some wafers that represent our savior. Just pay extra shipping and a lifetime of devotion!

[Neutraligon]

Without a God, all morality ultimately becomes entirely relative, so it depends on specific circumstances desires and motivations. But yeah, pretty much. Plus what does permissibility even mean? I mean, technically we can do whatever now, it's just that God's gonna have a word with us in the afterlife.

Even with a god, morality is relative, it's just that god made the decisions instead of humans. It's still subjective.

[The Orson Empire]

He probably didn't want us to know much about it.

As for how, He's God. He can do anything.

...so the KGB covering up murder is done in the image of God? God covered up his genocide like the other mass killers, such as Hitler. Obviously, they were too late.

And if he can do anything, why hasn't he proved his existence in some way we can actually understand?

I honestly don't know. I don't know how God's mind works.

[Blasveck]

Inb4 it's the works of Satan.

I prefer Prometheus.

The movie or the God?

Screw it, you win either way.

[Norstal]

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

If god didn't like what humans were doing, why didn't he just kill the people doing the "evil" instead of killing the innocent. Unless babies and other animals are somehow doing evil.

Free will. Mystery. All that jazz.

[Rio de Fuego]

...so the KGB covering up murder is done in the image of God? God covered up his genocide like the other mass killers, such as Hitler. Obviously, they were too late.

And if he can do anything, why hasn't he proved his existence in some way we can actually understand?

I honestly don't know. I don't know how God's mind works.

Tesla Coils

[The New Sea Territory]

Without a God, all morality ultimately becomes entirely relative, so it depends on specific circumstances desires and motivations. But yeah, pretty much. Plus what does permissibility even mean? I mean, technically we can do whatever now, it's just that God's gonna have a word with us in the afterlife.

There is no God, proving your point.