If there is no God, is everything permissible?

[Sun Wukong]

Ironically, 9/11 was caused by people who were SERVING their God.

They weren't really though, they had just been tricked by manipulative anti-westerners

Does it really matter? They believed they were. And as there's no way to objectively determine which is the true belief, their views are as valid as anyone else's.

[-Arabiyyah-]

You are not a god the only god is allah(SWT) and he is bodiless.

But he sure is shy...not proving his existence to us...

He has but ignorant people who are blinded by the devil will never seen unless they have Imanaah. He dosnt need to he knows who he wants as followers and he knows who is faithful and who isnt because he gave us free will and you are not Muminin.And you refuse to follow his path and will not know wait until the final day and watch how I am right.

[Rio de Fuego]

It's assumed everyone was wicked, considering the best god could find was noah and he was a wicked fucker

So even new born babies, no even fetuses are somehow wicked...how?

Because...uhm...ugh...GOD!

[The New Sea Territory]

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

Catholics don't have pastors....they have "Fathers". Same thing really. Religious leader and liar.

[The Remnants of Kobol]

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

Pastor and Pope, two different groupd. Secondly how are they SO misguided considering the beliefs shared by muslims, jews, and christians

What I like is all the different groups in each over-group religion who claim the others are all wrong, evil and going to Hell. Because they translated literally a couple words in a multi thousand page book differently.

[Blasveck]

Am I the only one confused by the moral quandary that if God were not to exist, that suddenly, a whole lotta immoral things would suddenly become moral?

That people need the fear of an omnipotent, judgemental, bipolar bastard in the sky to be moral persons?

[Neutraligon]

But he sure is shy...not proving his existence to us...

He has but ignorant people who are blinded by the devil will never seen unless they have Imanaah. He dosnt need to he knows who he wants as followers and he knows who is faithful and who isnt because he gave us free will and you are not Muminin.And you refuse to follow his path and will not know wait until the final day and watch how I am right.

Ooo a threat. But then such a threat kinda loses it's potency when people don't believe. Still asking for proof.

[The New Sea Territory]

But he sure is shy...not proving his existence to us...

He has but ignorant people who are blinded by the devil will never seen unless they have Imanaah. He dosnt need to he knows who he wants as followers and he knows who is faithful and who isnt because he gave us free will and you are not Muminin.And you refuse to follow his path and will not know wait until the final day and watch how I am right.

He know's when you're sleeping....he knows when your awake!

Now I realize that song is talking about Allah, the NSA and Santa Claus.

[-Arabiyyah-]

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

Catholics don't have pastors....they have "Fathers". Same thing really. Religious leader and liar.

I know I am an ex-Christian I said pope to repusent Catholics and pastors for protistents because they dont have a heigharchy like Catholics.

[Enfaru]

It's assumed everyone was wicked, considering the best god could find was noah and he was a wicked fucker

So even new born babies, no even fetuses are somehow wicked...how?

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer, asteroids, lightning strikes and other acts of god. >.>;

Of course this is aside from god just killing people because one of his representatives (Isiah) said so!

[Rio de Fuego]

He has but ignorant people who are blinded by the devil will never seen unless they have Imanaah. He dosnt need to he knows who he wants as followers and he knows who is faithful and who isnt because he gave us free will and you are not Muminin.And you refuse to follow his path and will not know wait until the final day and watch how I am right.

He know's when you're sleeping....he knows when your awake!

Now I realize that song is talking about Allah, the NSA and Santa Claus.

Well just god in general, saying allah is kind of redundant when speaking english because it literally means god

[Neutraligon]

Am I the only one confused by the moral quandary that if God were not to exist, that suddenly, a whole lotta immoral things would suddenly become moral?

That people need the fear of an omnipotent, judgemental, bipolar bastard in the sky to be moral persons?

Nope, I always found it rather scary that people think they don't do those things simply because some cosmic dictator is telling them not to do so.

[The New Sea Territory]

He know's when you're sleeping....he knows when your awake!

Now I realize that song is talking about Allah, the NSA and Santa Claus.

Well just god in general, saying allah is kind of redundant when speaking english because it literally means god

Yeah ik, but I was debating a Muslim.

[Sun Wukong]

Am I the only one confused by the moral quandary that if God were not to exist, that suddenly, a whole lotta immoral things would suddenly become moral?

That people need the fear of an omnipotent, judgemental, bipolar bastard in the sky to be moral persons?

This is why I like Madoka. She has one command, and it is: thou shalt not despair and transform into a curse-mongering cartoonish helldemon.

[Geilinor]

So even new born babies, no even fetuses are somehow wicked...how?

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer

Stop right there. God kills people with cancer in order to get rid of evil?

[Luziyca]

Even if God didn't exist, there would still be a ''treat others how you would like to be treated'' policy, in my opinion.

This. Religion mainly came up in the first place to enforce those types of rules and codify them into culture.

[Rio de Fuego]

Well just god in general, saying allah is kind of redundant when speaking english because it literally means god

Yeah ik, but I was debating a Muslim.

I know, it just usually point that out, because a lot of times people say allah instead of god to infer that muslims are so different from christians and jews

[Neutraligon]

So even new born babies, no even fetuses are somehow wicked...how?

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer, asteroids, lightning strikes and other acts of god. >.>;

Of course this is aside from god just killing people because one of his representatives (Isiah) said so!

So again, somehow newborns and not-borns are somehow evil? How are they evil?

[The New Sea Territory]

Catholics don't have pastors....they have "Fathers". Same thing really. Religious leader and liar.

I know I am an ex-Christian I said pope to repusent Catholics and pastors for protistents because they dont have a heigharchy like Catholics.

Ah....I am ex-Christian myself. We have something in common.

Only, I understand Vaas's definition of insanity. Why go from one dualistic, theistic, abrahamic religion to another that is more or less the same, just dominant in a different region of the world?

[The Remnants of Kobol]

Am I the only one confused by the moral quandary that if God were not to exist, that suddenly, a whole lotta immoral things would suddenly become moral?

That people need the fear of an omnipotent, judgemental, bipolar bastard in the sky to be moral persons?

The quandary itself does not confuse me. It is an argument justifying the need for a God in modern times. Because we now don't need a God for the sun to rise tomorrow or to cure ourselves of the hickups, we need something more philosophical as an explanation to keep him around. After all, if he didn't serve a purpose, why would we spend so much of our lives devoted to him? Take a low level marketing class and you'll understand it perfectly.

[Rio de Fuego]

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer, asteroids, lightning strikes and other acts of god. >.>;

Of course this is aside from god just killing people because one of his representatives (Isiah) said so!

So again, somehow newborns and not-borns are somehow evil? How are they evil?

Original sin

[4years]

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer

Stop right there. God kills people with cancer in order to get rid of evil?

No, people kill the idea of god with science and logic in order to get rid of evil.

[The New Sea Territory]

Actually. God *did* kill just the evil, but then he looked upon the earth and assumed it was beyond salvation and killed everyone. Then he did it again sometime later and apparently routinely does it via mediums such as cancer

Stop right there. God kills people with cancer in order to get rid of evil?

That's below the belt for NS standards.

[The Orson Empire]

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

How and why?

He probably didn't want us to know much about it.

As for how, He's God. He can do anything.

[Norstal]

Everything is permissible with god. Otherwise, we wouldn't be able to do it.

Just because you can do something doesn't mean God thinks its moral or has stated its moral.

The OP said that humans cannot have absolute morality because it is not actively enforced. God does not actively enforce absolute morality either. Ergo, everything is permissible as long as it's not enforced.

OP's arguments, not mine.