If there is no God, is everything permissible?

[Rio de Fuego]

If that flood happened, there would be geological evidence of it.

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

Again, many belive that the flood is in reference to the creation of the black sea which was theorized to have been caused by rapid flooding

[Sun Wukong]

If that flood happened, there would be geological evidence of it.

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

Then he is a deceiver.

[The New Sea Territory]

If that flood happened, there would be geological evidence of it.

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

Is our God a masochistic teenage self-hating girl? He discredits himself ALL the time!

[Neutraligon]

.....and Bill O'Reilly is their prophet! With his trust sidekick, Hannity!

What ever there all going to Hell. But any one who says there is no god is ignorant and if they say there is no god they should say but Allah.

Got proof. The Koran is the claim not the evidence.

[Vazdania]

Yes. I mean, Torah even states God creates both good and evil.

So go dperpetrates evils in which people cannot grow from it. In which people are unable to grow from it. So then what's the point.

Beats me? *shrug* I don't know the mind of God.

Certain events may seem evil, but in someway may be good.

For instance, 9/11 super bad event right? Well just over a decade later, the world has basically ended wild planes smashing into buildings. (Sorry to be oversimplistic.....and all respect due to those who lost tueir lives)

[-Arabiyyah-]

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

How and why?

You are not a god the only god is allah(SWT) and he is bodiless.

[The New Sea Territory]

What ever there all going to Hell. But any one who says there is no god is ignorant and if they say there is no god they should say but Allah.

Got proof. The Koran is the claim not the evidence.

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

[Rio de Fuego]

God could have hid or removed the evidence.

If god didn't like what humans were doing, why didn't he just kill the people doing the "evil" instead of killing the innocent. Unless babies and other animals are somehow doing evil.

It's assumed everyone was wicked, considering the best god could find was noah and he was a wicked fucker

[Sun Wukong]

So go dperpetrates evils in which people cannot grow from it. In which people are unable to grow from it. So then what's the point.

Beats me? *shrug* I don't know the mind of God.

Certain events may seem evil, but in someway may be good.

For instance, 9/11 super bad event right? Well just over a decade later, the world has basically ended wild planes smashing into buildings. (Sorry to be oversimplistic.....and all respect due to those who lost tueir lives)

Because there was such a scourge of it before?

[Red Blackiland]

But even who call themselves a religious , breaking the commandments of their religion , is what i call : false belief.
It's the same thing of the religious talking about 'good actions' , but in the same time , help nobody and use 'God' more for your own benefits ( Having nothing to do with Individualism , in my vision Individualism is necessary ).
I Think that besides all , should not jude a person's character by religion , however the story of some religious institutions are dirty...

gods hate individualism. It means people think for themselves rather than accept the "Because I said so" answer your mom used to give you in third grade.

Individualism is not necessarily Selfishness , by the word has gained many meanings with the time , people end up having a misunderstanding with this word.
I Think the two sides is important ( Individualism and Altruism ) with equilibrate levels.

[The New Sea Territory]

How and why?

You are not a god the only god is allah(SWT) and he is bodiless.

But he sure is shy...not proving his existence to us...

[Enfaru]

Now, obviously this is yet another riveting religious debate that will stay on topic, intellectually stimulate everyone, remain civilized and hurt no ones feelings.

With that subtle disclaimer behind us let's get to the meat of the question. Fyodor Dostoevsky's philosophical novel The Brothers Karamazov, gave the world the interesting aphorism, "If there is no God -then everything is permitted."

This is a morality discussion, and should be treated as such. Not a legal one and not a capability one.

Therefore, why should a man not rape a woman if he lusts for her--biology would have us do that. Why should a man not kill a coworker who threatens his job security--evolution has shown us this to be the case many times over.

Many people might say something akin to, it is for the preservation of society. But why preserve a society in which you have to control your 'natural' lust, or greed or aggression? Survival of the fittest, take what you can and screw the others.

It seems that everything we say is [morally] wrong (eg; killing gays/being gay, slavery, rape, porn, theft etc.) is a societal convention worth nothing more than what society as a whole thinks. But what if there were a society of 1,000 people--a moon colony, let's say--and they decided to lynch and cannibalize the hundredth member--would that heinous crime of the 99.9% be morally pious or would they simply be "their own culture, not barbaric, just different" or would objective right and wrong stand out in the face of the numbers and show that there is a standard that is of value, not because it is mathematical but because there is a Divine right to live?

In short, if we are just clouds of atoms acting by non-rational causation as science would tell us, why not do as you wish?

The law is there to govern society and keep it on the straight and narrow. By that I mean, it is there to prevent us from screwing up so badly that we cause ourselves to go extinct. Lets take a simple law for instance... stopping at red traffic lights. We're permitted literally to go through them, there's nothing in any religion about them...so why not ignore them? Self preservation. That's the major reason why we obey traffic signs. However they are enforced by society because lots of people were disobeying them and simply causing chaos. Mass traffic jams were caused, towns ground to a halt, businesses couldn't get their goods delivered, customers couldn't get in... there were accidents left right and centre forcing people into hospitals and therefore putting pressure on healthcare budgets. Then the traffic light was invented and suddenly it was much easier to do all of the above.

Lets take a look at the morality behind the Gay rights law. Literally, people can be as gay as they want, not gonna argue with that. Biologically it's a bad idea. Today, homosexuality doesn't have the problems it used to have, it USED to have high levels of aids (now the title is held by heterosexuals), many other diseases were rampant too. But one thing homosexuality does not produce is children. Great if you're living in an already over-populated society (too much burden on the state)...extremely bad if you're in an underpopulated society (too little funds for the state). I don't think "God" ever said, that homosexuality was a sin, I'm pretty sure other men said that in order to get round the needs of the day, produce more children, make life easier for doctors and so on. In otherwords it's basically a traffic law.

With the example given of a culture of mass homicide, there's a reason why those cultures do not exist today. They simply made themselves extinct through natural selection. There are yes lots of cannibals around but they don't usually kill members from their own group. Murder is not permissable or justified simply because it harms society and the progression of the human race. Of course, this tips on its head if resources are low. Lets take Nitrogen. Back before the Hagen-Bosch method, Nitrogen was a highly sought after element

Edit:

Oh and as for that clouds of atoms bit...

I have a strong desire not to die and to keep on living thank you very much. God has nothing to do with it. I simply like to move (slowly, and well, usually only by breathing and typing, but still!).

[The Remnants of Kobol]

Got proof. The Koran is the claim not the evidence.

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

Well, at least it adequately explains why all but one of them are wrong. Now we just need to prove one wrong instead of thousands. I'll take those odds.

[The New Sea Territory]

Beats me? *shrug* I don't know the mind of God.

Certain events may seem evil, but in someway may be good.

For instance, 9/11 super bad event right? Well just over a decade later, the world has basically ended wild planes smashing into buildings. (Sorry to be oversimplistic.....and all respect due to those who lost tueir lives)

Because there was such a scourge of it before?

Ironically, 9/11 was caused by people who were SERVING their God.

[-Arabiyyah-]

Got proof. The Koran is the claim not the evidence.

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

[Sun Wukong]

How and why?

You are not a god the only god is allah(SWT) and he is bodiless.

Which is why Ishtar is infinitely superior.

There's a body that makes me want to really get down and... supplicate.

[Rio de Fuego]

Because there was such a scourge of it before?

Ironically, 9/11 was caused by people who were SERVING their God.

They weren't really though, they had just been tricked by manipulative anti-westerners

[Neutraligon]

So go dperpetrates evils in which people cannot grow from it. In which people are unable to grow from it. So then what's the point.

Beats me? *shrug* I don't know the mind of God.

Certain events may seem evil, but in someway may be good.

For instance, 9/11 super bad event right? Well just over a decade later, the world has basically ended wild planes smashing into buildings. (Sorry to be oversimplistic.....and all respect due to those who lost tueir lives)

Was planes crashing into buildings a problem before 9-11, plus many innocent dies as a result of that attack. So what's the good in a person dieing in such an event, when an all powerful god could prevent said death. God must choose not to save those people, which disproves your claim that evil occurs to allow people to get better.

[Lingang]

You are not a god the only god is allah(SWT) and he is bodiless.

But he sure is shy...not proving his existence to us...

According to the Bible, God is everywhere

[Rio de Fuego]

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

Pastor and Pope, two different groups. Secondly how are they SO misguided considering the beliefs shared by muslims, jews, and christians

[Lingang]

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

Only Catholics believe in the Pope. The rest of us call that Pope business bullshit.

[The New Sea Territory]

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

Well, at least it adequately explains why all but one of them are wrong. Now we just need to prove one wrong instead of thousands. I'll take those odds.

Well....there are various sects of Islam. Shiites are too far gone. Let's get the Sunnis first.

But seriously, when a religion fractures into sects, it should no longer be taken seriously. That's like talking to man with multiple personalities....you have to address each individual one!

[Neutraligon]

If god didn't like what humans were doing, why didn't he just kill the people doing the "evil" instead of killing the innocent. Unless babies and other animals are somehow doing evil.

It's assumed everyone was wicked, considering the best god could find was noah and he was a wicked fucker

So even new born babies, no even fetuses are somehow wicked...how?

[Khalatia]

This notion is absurd because Madoka exists, and even in Her presence everything is permissible. Except some not-good things because she'll feel bad about it and we aren't going to make Madoka feel bad.

Or Homura will ascend and dethrone Her.

[Verdo-Releignia]

The Koran is right because the Bible is wrong! That is the best argument I have heard for religion in a while...

The bible is absolutely wrong. And the poor followers are so misguided they just do what the pope and the pastors say.

And your little Koran is so right?

Prove to me it's right. And don't pull a Christian loop on me, although we should just call it a Religion loop, and heres how it goes.

"How do you know that your holy book is true?"
"Because God/Allah says its true."
"How do you know he is real?"
"Because he created the world."
"How do you know he did that?"
"The holy book says so!"