MRA's: Fighting for Men or Fighting Against Women?

[Ostroeuropa]

The MRM is a movement of hate and misogyny and I despise MRAs just as much as I despise the WBC, the KKK, or any other hate group.

That's a cool assertion. Got any proof?

[Geilinor]

Valeria Lukyanova

Jesus Christ she's creepy.

Apparently she's trying to practice "Breatharianism".

[Fartsniffage]

Oh, now I understand. I don't think that's okay. The father should be given first option of taking on responsibility for the child and the same child support requirements that are used to determine support levels applied to the woman should he decide to take on the responsibility.

How do you functionally enforce that though if the female just refuses to name the father or says she can't remember him or can't find him.
We are proposing to address the inequality by giving males the same power as females.
Your way of addressing it would be absolutely and completely fucking impossible, or absolutely and completely ineffective.

What is it you are proposing?

[Gauthier]

Jesus Christ she's creepy.

Apparently she's trying to practice "Breatharianism".

Which only works if you're a plant.

[Ostroeuropa]

How do you functionally enforce that though if the female just refuses to name the father or says she can't remember him or can't find him.
We are proposing to address the inequality by giving males the same power as females.
Your way of addressing it would be absolutely and completely fucking impossible, or absolutely and completely ineffective.

What is it you are proposing?

LPS. Whining about your tax money having to pay for inequality strikes me as pretty suspect, by the way.
It gives the male the same functional power that females have.

Why, how do you propose addressing the power inequality?

[Geilinor]

The MRM is a movement of hate and misogyny and I despise MRAs just as much as I despise the WBC, the KKK, or any other hate group.

That's a cool assertion. Got any proof?

We could use the same place you get your opinions on feminism from. Tumblr.

[The Serbian Empire]

Jesus Christ she's creepy.

Apparently she's trying to practice "Breatharianism".

She want to photosynthesis? Apparently she's got too much plastic surgery.

[Aurora Novus]

How do you functionally enforce that though if the female just refuses to name the father or says she can't remember him or can't find him.
We are proposing to address the inequality by giving males the same power as females.
Your way of addressing it would be absolutely and completely fucking impossible, or absolutely and completely ineffective.

What is it you are proposing?

In the same way women can undergo an abortion, allow men something similar. They can pay a one-time fee to the State or the mother (just as an abortion costs money), and surrender all legal rights and responsibilities towards the child. Legal Paternal Surrender, or a "Paper Abortion".

[Ostroeuropa]

That's a cool assertion. Got any proof?

We could use the same place you get your opinions on feminism from. Tumblr.

Opinions such as what. You're welcome to tell me which of my opinions on feminism are wrong and why.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

Apparently she's trying to practice "Breatharianism".

She want to photosynthesis? Apparently she's got too much plastic surgery.

She's a bit... eccentric... But I can't deny that I would give many millions of dollars for her body.

[Gauthier]

She want to photosynthesis? Apparently she's got too much plastic surgery.

She's a bit... eccentric... But I can't deny that I would give many millions of dollars for her body.

How much would go towards preservation?

[Fartsniffage]

What is it you are proposing?

LPS. Whining about your tax money having to pay for inequality strikes me as pretty suspect, by the way.
It gives the male the same functional power that females have.

Why, how do you propose addressing the power inequality?

How the fuck does LPS address the problem of women giving up children to the state and claiming they don't know who the father is? Are you even reading what you're writing?

I don't think there really is a power inequality. If you want to somehow end people being dicks to each other then I've got a few windmills you can tilt at. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for some sources showing that males have it worse than women in court.

[Stagnant Axon Terminal]

She's a bit... eccentric... But I can't deny that I would give many millions of dollars for her body.

How much would go towards preservation?

What no
not like that
ahhhhh
I want my body to look like hers

[Ostroeuropa]

LPS. Whining about your tax money having to pay for inequality strikes me as pretty suspect, by the way.
It gives the male the same functional power that females have.

Why, how do you propose addressing the power inequality?

How the fuck does LPS address the problem of women giving up children to the state and claiming they don't know who the father is? Are you even reading what you're writing?

I don't think there really is a power inequality. If you want to somehow end people being dicks to each other then I've got a few windmills you can tilt at. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for some sources showing that males have it worse than women in court.

It doesn't address the problem. It gives males a parallel power that females have.
If a woman isn't married and doesn't wanna be a parent and gives birth, she can lie and just put the child up for adoption unilaterally.
A male has no such opt-out of parenting.
LPS would provide males that option, and in addition, would mean the females would not need to lie about the father and could name him, but then use LPS.

Without LPS, females may be forced into an abortion to protect their financial interests. Or they may forcefully seperate a child from it's willing father, etc.
It's a societal good to provide LPS, and provides females more options as well as males. As it currently stands, they may be forced into abortions or forced to "Orphan" their child in order to protect their financial interest from the male who could sue for child support, etc.

As for the courts, someone else can probably grab the relevant links soon enough. (I'm a bit busy. Sorry.)

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

However, men are, on the population scale, far less likely to identify as bisexual than as homosexual...

I'm pretty sure you understand the concept of "lots of people are closeted".

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Jesus Christ she's creepy.

Apparently she's trying to practice "Breatharianism".

She's also racist.

[Condunum]

However, men are, on the population scale, far less likely to identify as bisexual than as homosexual...

I'm pretty sure you understand the concept of "lots of people are closeted".

He went on to explain such in the post you're quoting.

[Tahar Joblis]

However, men are, on the population scale, far less likely to identify as bisexual than as homosexual...

I'm pretty sure you understand the concept of "lots of people are closeted".

Yes. And the reason why we have so many women identify as bisexual is that women feel a lot freer to walk out of the closet, thanks to feminism running around and telling people not to give women shit about their sexualities or sex lives. Women feel a lot freer to explore their sexuality.

The people who are trying to reach the same level of social deregulation with respect to men's sexuality are heavily concentrated in the men's rights community. Not surprising, because it's one of the issues men have as men. The consequence of that is then an unusual number of bisexual men in the group; in the case of the /r/MensRights group, something like 10% as opposed to the population baseline of 1-2%.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

I'm pretty sure you understand the concept of "lots of people are closeted".

He went on to explain such in the post you're quoting.

Yes. I hovered my eyes a bit too fast over his post.

[Llamalandia]

No I refuted it,

You didn't refute shit, you attempted to explain a completely uncontested notion of how the condition came into existence without an ounce of awareness of the actual point, ironically enough illustrating the exact same failure of reasoning and understanding that permeates your lack of ability to understand the larger social ideas. And then patted yourself on the back for your inability to comprehend the concept, to boot. So...yeah. Big stream, right there. Horse standing around wondering what he's supposed to do.

And here we go getting stuck in an infinite loop of circular logic.

[Geilinor]

I'm pretty sure you understand the concept of "lots of people are closeted".

Yes. And the reason why we have so many women identify as bisexual is that women feel a lot freer to walk out of the closet, thanks to feminism running around and telling people not to give women shit about their sexualities or sex lives. Women feel a lot freer to explore their sexuality.

The people who are trying to reach the same level of social deregulation with respect to men's sexuality are heavily concentrated in the men's rights community. Not surprising, because it's one of the issues men have as men. The consequence of that is then an unusual number of bisexual men in the group; in the case of the /r/MensRights group, something like 10% as opposed to the population baseline of 1-2%.

Women can more easily walk out of the closet because many religions explicitly target male homosexuality. For example, many countries which ban male homosexuality do not ban female homosexuality.

[Fartsniffage]

How the fuck does LPS address the problem of women giving up children to the state and claiming they don't know who the father is? Are you even reading what you're writing?

I don't think there really is a power inequality. If you want to somehow end people being dicks to each other then I've got a few windmills you can tilt at. On the other hand, I'm still waiting for some sources showing that males have it worse than women in court.

It doesn't address the problem. It gives males a parallel power that females have.
If a woman isn't married and doesn't wanna be a parent and gives birth, she can lie and just put the child up for adoption unilaterally.
A male has no such opt-out of parenting.
LPS would provide males that option, and in addition, would mean the females would not need to lie about the father and could name him, but then use LPS.

Without LPS, females may be forced into an abortion to protect their financial interests. Or they may forcefully seperate a child from it's willing father, etc.
It's a societal good to provide LPS, and provides females more options as well as males. As it currently stands, they may be forced into abortions or forced to "Orphan" their child in order to protect their financial interest from the male who could sue for child support, etc.

As for the courts, someone else can probably grab the relevant links soon enough. (I'm a bit busy. Sorry.)

Question. Is child support in the US based on the names of the parents on the birth certificate?

[Geilinor]

It doesn't address the problem. It gives males a parallel power that females have.
If a woman isn't married and doesn't wanna be a parent and gives birth, she can lie and just put the child up for adoption unilaterally.
A male has no such opt-out of parenting.
LPS would provide males that option, and in addition, would mean the females would not need to lie about the father and could name him, but then use LPS.

Without LPS, females may be forced into an abortion to protect their financial interests. Or they may forcefully seperate a child from it's willing father, etc.
It's a societal good to provide LPS, and provides females more options as well as males. As it currently stands, they may be forced into abortions or forced to "Orphan" their child in order to protect their financial interest from the male who could sue for child support, etc.

As for the courts, someone else can probably grab the relevant links soon enough. (I'm a bit busy. Sorry.)

Question. Is child support in the US based on the names of the parents on the birth certificate?

I'm not sure, but most likely yes.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

something like 10%

Okay now this is very tempting, I'm really curious (no pun intended)

Fuck I got to choose loyalty to my sexual orientation or the group to which my gender identity belongs too, this wasn't supposed to happen.

[Aurora Novus]

Question. Is child support in the US based on the names of the parents on the birth certificate?

Question. Ignoring safe haven laws for a moment, whether intended or not, abortion laws give the mother the ability to determine whether or not she wishes to be a parent post-conception.

Why don't you want men to have the same capability?