MRA's: Fighting for Men or Fighting Against Women?

[Murkwood]

This may be hard for some, but please KEEP IT CIVIL! I don't hate you because of your opinion, so please don't hate me/our MRA's for ours.

A little definition for the uninitiated.

The men's rights movement (MRM) is a part of the larger men's movement. It branched off from the men's liberation movement in the early 1970s. The men's rights movement contests claims that men have greater power, privilege or advantage than women and focuses on what it considers to be issues of male disadvantage, discrimination and oppression.[1][2] The MRM is considered to be a backlash or countermovement to feminism, often as a result of a perceived threat to traditional gender roles.[3] The men's rights movement has been involved in a variety of areas related to law (including family law, parenting, reproduction and domestic violence), government services (including education, compulsory military service and social safety nets), and health that they believe discriminate against men.

Now, on to the topic. This came up in the last couple pages of TET, and I was curious what the non-TETers thought of the Men's Rights Movement.

I am firmly in the MRM camp, and I call myself an MRA, or Men's Rights Activist. I could write a long, rambling post the explains my views, but I decided not to. Instead, I found a great list of FAQs about MRAs. This, along with others, was the article that swayed me.

http://www.reddit.com/r/MensRights/wiki/faq

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

The MRM is considered to be a backlash or countermovement to feminism, often as a result of a perceived threat to traditional gender roles.

This says it all.

It is bad for women, it is bad for transgender people, it is bad for cisgender people of non-traditional gender presentations, it is bad for relationships, it is bad for children and just bad for society overall.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Also, it is bad for men. FFS, if you believe straight cisgender men are systemically, structurally oppressed, I dare you to fucking cross-dress and use social female or gender-neutral names and pronouns for a fucking month and say you had a positive overcome of your overall social situation before society at large.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Oh, this will end well.

[Murkwood]

Also, it is bad for men. FFS, if you believe straight cisgender men are systemically, structurally oppressed, I dare you to fucking cross-dress and use social female or gender-neutral names and pronouns for a fucking month and say you had a positive overcome of your overall social situation before society at large.

Where do MRA's say they have it worse off than trans people?

[Murkwood]

Oh, this will end well.

Glad someone thinks so.

[Justin States]

Oh, this will end well.

Glad someone thinks so.

It was sarcasm i think

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

Glad someone thinks so.

It was sarcasm i think

Bingo.

[Murkwood]

Glad someone thinks so.

It was sarcasm i think

I know, hence the .

[Nervium]

The men's right movement is for men's rights what cyanide is for human health.
Or something along those lines.

Can't say I can't find it anything but ridiculous and annoying. It should really crawl back where it came from.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Where do MRA's say they have it worse off than trans people?

Once you suffer transmisogyny, you start to more clearly read the misogyny between the lines.

The common reaction you will receive will vary from hatred that goes as far as associating your class with dirt and contamination to creepy, disgusting fetishism.

[Murkwood]

Oh, and credit to Ligerplace (hope I spelt that right) for the title.

[The Union of the West]

The MRM is considered to be a backlash or countermovement to feminism, often as a result of a perceived threat to traditional gender roles.

This says it all.

It is bad for women, it is bad for transgender people, it is bad for cisgender people of non-traditional gender presentations, it is bad for relationships, it is bad for children and just bad for society overall.

Could you explain how it is bad?
(Not that I support the MRM, I'm just curious about your reasoning)

[Gauthier]

So basically a bunch of men developing a persecution complex because women want to be something more than sammich making baby factories?

[Murkwood]

Where do MRA's say they have it worse off than trans people?

Once you suffer transmisogyny, you start to more clearly read the misogyny between the lines.

The common reaction you will receive will vary from hatred that goes as far as associating your class with dirt and contamination to creepy, disgusting fetishism.

The common reaction you will receive if you're an MRA is people thinking you hate women. It's not as bad was what trans people face, but it's still bad.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

Could you explain how it is bad?
(Not that I support the MRM, I'm just curious about your reasoning)

Traditional gender roles tend to be faced as compulsory, and many people feel entitled to enforce them with various forms of unwarranted negative and dehumanizing opinions, psychologically harmful discipline and various, various forms of violence, that at the end of the day dictate how you will be treated by society at large and even some public institutions.

[Degenerate Heart of HetRio]

The common reaction you will receive if you're an MRA is people thinking you hate women. It's not as bad was what trans people face, but it's still bad.

...Well, various political and ideological positions are accused of many kinds of stuff they don't support, regardless of how factual were the consequences of the bad, pain-inflicting people who supposedly worked under their logic.

You do it yourself.

There were school shootings in MY COUNTRY due to a mix of conspiracy theorist and MRA ideologies, and lots of MRAs in the United States have a fame to support morally questionable actions and ideas.

[Avenio]

They may have had a token handful of actual issues that they could have raised (child custody inequalities, decline in male academic achievement, etc) but instead of tackling them and working with fellow travellers like feminists the MRA's decided to take the express train to Crazyville and construct elaborate social hierarchies based upon plagiarized 1950's models of elk reproduction and brood about all the myriad reasons why women were wrongfully not fighting to the death for the right to be with them.

They're like the anti-GMO people; they may have had potential once, but any positive traits they may have had are long, long gone.

[Murkwood]

The MRM is just a natural development. Look at how extreme feminism is getting these days. They are turning to men to have a scapegoat, and someone needs to stick up for men.

[Murkwood]

The common reaction you will receive if you're an MRA is people thinking you hate women. It's not as bad was what trans people face, but it's still bad.

...Well, various political and ideological positions are accused of many kinds of stuff they don't support, regardless of how factual were the consequences of the bad, pain-inflicting people who supposedly worked under their logic.

You do it yourself.

There were school shootings in MY COUNTRY due to a mix of conspiracy theorist and MRA ideologies, and lots of MRAs in the United States have a fame to support morally questionable actions and ideas.

You can't blame a whole group for the actions of some insane individuals.

[The Union of the West]

The MRM is just a natural development. Look at how extreme feminism is getting these days. They are turning to men to have a scapegoat, and someone needs to stick up for men.

This is true. Radical feminism is getting quite extreme.

[The Land Fomerly Known as Ligerplace]

...Well, various political and ideological positions are accused of many kinds of stuff they don't support, regardless of how factual were the consequences of the bad, pain-inflicting people who supposedly worked under their logic.

You do it yourself.

There were school shootings in MY COUNTRY due to a mix of conspiracy theorist and MRA ideologies, and lots of MRAs in the United States have a fame to support morally questionable actions and ideas.

You can't blame a whole group for the actions of some insane individuals.

That completely depends on the complicity of the group.

[Allentyr]

Fighting For men. But really, why do you need either movement? Just assume everyone is an other. It'll fix everything. Guaranteed.

[Avenio]

The MRM is just a natural development. Look at how extreme feminism is getting these days. They are turning to men to have a scapegoat, and someone needs to stick up for men.

Let's be honest - you couldn't even name an 'extremist feminist' without googling it. You're talking out of your ass.

[Nervium]

The MRM is just a natural development. Look at how extreme feminism is getting these days. They are turning to men to have a scapegoat, and someone needs to stick up for men.

Nope, nein, non.
The last thing we need is the MRM speaking for all men.