Only Want to Date White Girls, is this Racist?

[Seriong]

You shouldn't use language in a manner that causes you to express an idea that while held by others, isn't held by you. It's a valid contention to criticize you for it.

No, it isn't, for reasons I already expalined. (1) I already pointed out what I actually meant sveeral times prior, and (2) informal language is valid language.

Informal language is valid in informal environments, where small sections of speech aren't being singled out and criticized. That is not where we are.

When asked why you hold a position, to restate your position is not helpful. What should motivate us to accept your definition of racism, that is the same as the caricature you created, yet has the addition of 'in a harmful manner?'

I just explained why. Because not doing so muddies the term. It sloppy and doesn't make sense to use a term to describe both good and bad things. You should have terms to describe bad things that are independant of terms used to describe odd things.

Case and point, what's being discussed here is not racism. It's eccentrism.

It doesn't muddy the term really, it merely classifies things according to motivation, the effect of the actions taken under that motivation to be determined later.
Also, it's hardly eccentric to do something that's done by the majority of people. Most people date in their own race.

I probably would have been better served using the word 'invalid' instead of 'false.' Essentially, there are cases wherein race is a valid metric by which, in part, to judge the aptitude of someone. In those cases, the judgement wouldn't be racist, because race in that case was a valid justification for the treatment.

Yes, that's what I thought you meant. In which case, race is valid when it comes to dating and physical attraction.[/quote]
His contention however is that attraction is entirely subjective, and is therefore equally based on opinion, as it would be to have any view of a race that cannot be corroborated by facts and reality. Therefore, if we classify other things based on that criteria (As the definition I set forth as a conglomerate of his posts, which I would love for him to confirm or deny as the definition he is using broadly) as racist, then we must to judge this racist.

[Aurora Novus]

I know precisely what I'm talking about. Evidently, you don't.

Why on earth should eccentrism, why should pickiness when it comes to race be defined as racist? What benefit is there to doing so, other than to try and passively shame people into giving into your entitlement complex?

Sorry, but you don't know what I'm talking about and I doubt you know what you're talking about either. So no, don't come and fucking patronize me when you yourself have reduced your argument so much that you yourself don't even understand it.

I understand my own argument perfectly, now you're just being absurd. You can't even come up with good combacks at this point. What a pity.

[Aurora Novus]

I know precisely what I'm talking about. Evidently, you don't.

Why on earth should eccentrism, why should pickiness when it comes to race be defined as racist? What benefit is there to doing so, other than to try and passively shame people into giving into your entitlement complex?

Because it's likely not innocent "pickiness."

Yes, it is.

It's not a matter of "I only like blondes" or "I only like smart girls/funny girls/sexy girls/young girls/older girls."

No, it really is just like that. It's a preference, not unlike any other preference. Your attempts to characterize people with the preference as closet or subconcious racists is absurd. It's conspiratorial, dishonest, and insane. Not to mention entirely irrelevant to the question of the topic.

[Celestial Divinities]

Because it's likely not innocent "pickiness."

Yes, it is.

Brilliant argument. You win, I'll just leave now.

[Aurora Novus]

Informal language is valid in informal environments, where small sections of speech aren't being singled out and criticized. That is not where we are.

I'd say this place is pretty fucking informal right now. You may not be posting informally, but pretty much everyone else is.

It doesn't muddy the term really, it merely classifies things according to motivation, the effect of the actions taken under that motivation to be determined later.

Which muddies the term. Or do you deny the fact that "racism" is a word with a culturally negative connotation?

Also, it's hardly eccentric to do something that's done by the majority of people. Most people date in their own race.

Eccentric, not in the sense of being out of the ordinary, but in the sense of being inanely specific about certain things.

His contention however is that attraction is entirely subjective,

Which I agree with.

and is therefore equally based on opinion, as it would be to have any view of a race that cannot be corroborated by facts and reality. Therefore, if we classify other things based on that criteria (As the definition I set forth as a conglomerate of his posts, which I would love for him to confirm or deny as the definition he is using broadly) as racist, then we must to judge this racist.

Except that's a stupid definition of racism. I don't accept that definition, at all. It's a child's definition.

It would necessitate the opnion that X race is unnatractive, yes, but so long as that is recognized as a personal, subjective opinion, and not one that is a measure of reality, then I see no problem with it. It generates no unjut harm, it brings about no form of oppression, and consequently, there is absolutely no reason to consider it racist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Sorry, but you don't know what I'm talking about and I doubt you know what you're talking about either. So no, don't come and fucking patronize me when you yourself have reduced your argument so much that you yourself don't even understand it.

I understand my own argument perfectly, now you're just being absurd. You can't even come up with good combacks at this point. What a pity.

This isn't a competition about who has the better comebacks and bigger balls, this is me telling you you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about; it's that fucking obvious.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

His contention however is that attraction is entirely subjective, and is therefore equally based on opinion, as it would be to have any view of a race that cannot be corroborated by facts and reality. Therefore, if we classify other things based on that criteria (As the definition I set forth as a conglomerate of his posts, which I would love for him to confirm or deny as the definition he is using broadly) as racist, then we must to judge this racist.

I'll respond, given that it is a simple confirmation or denial.

You're right, that is in fact what I'm arguing.

[Getrektistan]

Because it's likely not innocent "pickiness."

Yes, it is.

It's not a matter of "I only like blondes" or "I only like smart girls/funny girls/sexy girls/young girls/older girls."

No, it really is just like that. It's a preference, not unlike any other preference. Your attempts to characterize people with the preference as closet or subconcious racists is absurd. It's conspiratorial, dishonest, and insane. Not to mention entirely irrelevant to the question of the topic.

I mean, this is historically a well-accepted phenomenon, so I'm not sure it's your place to categorically deny it without any sort of reasoning, at the very least. If it's not true, then why do many minorities typically value white standards of beauty so highly?

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

I understand my own argument perfectly, now you're just being absurd. You can't even come up with good combacks at this point. What a pity.

This isn't a competition about who has the better comebacks and bigger balls, this is me telling you you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about; it's that fucking obvious.

The problem is that while a preference is just that, some can be prejudiced or even racist. Perhaps one needs to take the source of them into consideration. If you date white men/women because you're more attracted to them, it's ok. But if you only date white men/women because you think whites are superior to blacks or people from other races then I see how that is racist.

[Socialist Republic of Andrew]

Well it's simple really, ask yourself this question:
-Do i only prefer white girls due to their skin color?

If you selected "yes" then you might be racist!
But if you selected "no" then you are not.

It is common for people of the same race to want to be with someone of the same race. Some people may see it as racist, while others see it as natural.
Im not trying to sound racist(really trying not to and hope im not), but it is actually almost natural to want to be with someone of the same race, as you feel more comfortable with them, as you have such a huge thing in common, and so they think it is someone who is like them.

[Ardunshin]

I'm probably walking straight into a minefield by even posting a reply to this, but fuck it. I've seen many answers on here saying that it is racist if a person prefers to date a certain race or other. Now I would like this plain and clear, am I a "racist" for having a liking for Asian women more than any other kind? I don't look at white, black or any other kind of women and think "Ugh, she's white" or "Ugh, she's black" or any of the above, I just have an inherent inclination toward Asian women, I don't see how that makes me a racist unless we have now diluted that term so much that it has no fucking meaning left whatsoever.

The real issue with a question like this is that people try to cloud what is really a straight forward issue, which is why I would like someone to give me a straight answer to what I am asking, if possible.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This isn't a competition about who has the better comebacks and bigger balls, this is me telling you you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about; it's that fucking obvious.

The problem is that while a preference is just that, some can be prejudiced or even racist. Perhaps one needs to take the source of them into consideration. If you date white men/women because you're more attracted to them, it's ok. But if you only date white men/women because you think whites are superior to blacks or people from other races then I see how that is racist.

Exactly. However, I am not saying that you can't have a preference based on attraction. It's like me preferring vanilla ice cream to chocolate, it doesn't mean I NEVER eat chocolate ice cream or that I see chocolate ice cream as heresy, just that I like vanilla ice cream more.

I am suggesting that a preference may have a racist root to them, but not that preferences are in itself racist.

[Celestial Divinities]

Because it's likely not innocent "pickiness."

Yes, it is.

It's not a matter of "I only like blondes" or "I only like smart girls/funny girls/sexy girls/young girls/older girls."

No, it really is just like that. It's a preference, not unlike any other preference. Your attempts to characterize people with the preference as closet or subconcious racists is absurd. It's conspiratorial, dishonest, and insane. Not to mention entirely irrelevant to the question of the topic.

Why? Why do you think it's such an insane idea that growing up surrounded by a whitewashed and racist media could affect someone's preferences in a partner?
A preference of race will be "just like any other preference" when we live in a world where white people never owned black people, when PoC make just as much on the dollar as white people, when we have equal representation in the media, when people stop dying because of racism. There is no KKK of hair color or age or intelligence. Race is different.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I'm probably walking straight into a minefield by even posting a reply to this, but fuck it. I've seen many answers on here saying that it is racist if a person prefers to date a certain race or other. Now I would like this plain and clear, am I a "racist" for having a liking for Asian women more than any other kind? I don't look at white, black or any other kind of women and think "Ugh, she's white" or "Ugh, she's black" or any of the above, I just have an inherent inclination toward Asian women, I don't see how that makes me a racist unless we have now diluted that term so much that it has no fucking meaning left whatsoever.

The real issue with a question like this is that people try to cloud what is really a straight forward issue, which is why I would like someone to give me a straight answer to what I am asking, if possible.

See, that's not being racist, that's a mere preference.

Now, if it was more along the lines of "ugh she's white" or "ugh she's black" then yes, that's racist. An inclination isn't the same as racism.

[Aurora Novus]

I understand my own argument perfectly, now you're just being absurd. You can't even come up with good combacks at this point. What a pity.

This isn't a competition about who has the better comebacks and bigger balls, this is me telling you you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about; it's that fucking obvious.

It's funny, because all you've been doing these past few posts is sling silly retorts without any serious attempt to address my last arguments. then you want to say this isn't about who has better combacks right now? You're a riot man.

No, this is you pathetically trying to assert some form of dominance over me, by trying to insinuate I'm somehow not even aware of my own argument. That makes no sense what so ever, and is a sign of your continued intellectaul de-evolution in this topic. I can't wait to see more.

[Alexanda]

One has preferences. I do not find women attractive, but does that make me sexist?

[Concord Blue Dawn]

No it's not racist. Not more than wanting to date someone of the opposit sex is homophobic.

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

The problem is that while a preference is just that, some can be prejudiced or even racist. Perhaps one needs to take the source of them into consideration. If you date white men/women because you're more attracted to them, it's ok. But if you only date white men/women because you think whites are superior to blacks or people from other races then I see how that is racist.

Exactly. However, I am not saying that you can't have a preference based on attraction. It's like me preferring vanilla ice cream to chocolate, it doesn't mean I NEVER eat chocolate ice cream or that I see chocolate ice cream as heresy, just that I like vanilla ice cream more.

I am suggesting that a preference may have a racist root to them, but not that preferences are in itself racist.

Depends on motivation. At least that's how I see it. Yes, liking vanilla ice cream over chocolate doesn't mean you're prejudiced against having other flavors. It just means vanilla is your favorite flavor. However, if you eat vanilla ice cream because you think it's superior to coffee flavored ice cream, then that's problematic.

Did I just explained racism vs attraction using ice cream flavors? Jeebus.

[Aurora Novus]

The problem is that while a preference is just that, some can be prejudiced or even racist. Perhaps one needs to take the source of them into consideration. If you date white men/women because you're more attracted to them, it's ok. But if you only date white men/women because you think whites are superior to blacks or people from other races then I see how that is racist.

Exactly. However, I am not saying that you can't have a preference based on attraction. It's like me preferring vanilla ice cream to chocolate, it doesn't mean I NEVER eat chocolate ice cream or that I see chocolate ice cream as heresy, just that I like vanilla ice cream more.

I am suggesting that a preference may have a racist root to them, but not that preferences are in itself racist.

Which makes no fucking sense. If a preference has a racist root, it's a racist preference.

Also, you're not just saying that it's okay to prefer vanilla over chocolate. You're also saying that, however, if you prefer vanilla and NEVER have chocolate, suddenly now you're doing something terrible. It's fucking entitled nonsense.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

This isn't a competition about who has the better comebacks and bigger balls, this is me telling you you don't know what in the fuck you're talking about; it's that fucking obvious.

It's funny, because all you've been doing these past few posts is sling silly retorts without any serious attempt to address my last arguments. then you want to say this isn't about who has better combacks right now? You're a riot man.

No, this is you pathetically trying to assert some form of dominance over me, by trying to insinuate I'm somehow not even aware of my own argument. That makes no sense what so ever, and is a sign of your continued intellectaul de-evolution in this topic. I can't wait to see more.

Think what you will, I lost all my interest in discussing with you since you said that "discrimination towards another races doesn't mean it's racism"; which in itself is fucking racism.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Exactly. However, I am not saying that you can't have a preference based on attraction. It's like me preferring vanilla ice cream to chocolate, it doesn't mean I NEVER eat chocolate ice cream or that I see chocolate ice cream as heresy, just that I like vanilla ice cream more.

I am suggesting that a preference may have a racist root to them, but not that preferences are in itself racist.

Depends on motivation. At least that's how I see it. Yes, liking vanilla ice cream over chocolate doesn't mean you're prejudiced against having other flavors. It just means vanilla is your favorite flavor. However, if you eat vanilla ice cream because you think it's superior to coffee flavored ice cream, then that's problematic.

Did I just explained racism vs attraction using ice cream flavors? Jeebus.

Yes, and as such, we are in agreement

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's fucking entitled nonsense.

Says the one who came up with this "quote of wisdom":

You can be discriminatory when it comes to race without being racist.

[Norstal]

It's funny, because all you've been doing these past few posts is sling silly retorts without any serious attempt to address my last arguments. then you want to say this isn't about who has better combacks right now? You're a riot man.

No, this is you pathetically trying to assert some form of dominance over me, by trying to insinuate I'm somehow not even aware of my own argument. That makes no sense what so ever, and is a sign of your continued intellectaul de-evolution in this topic. I can't wait to see more.

Think what you will, I lost all my interest in discussing with you since you said that "discrimination towards another races doesn't mean it's racism"; which in itself is fucking racism.

When I read this, I thought you paraphrased and then misquoted. I was wrong.

Racism as a term should be limited to explicitely harmful things. It shouldn't be haphazardly used to described any old form of discrimination that involves skin colour.

There's this sinking feeling. As if, the Titanic itself was sinking.

[Aurora Novus]

I mean, this is historically a well-accepted phenomenon, so I'm not sure it's your place to categorically deny it without any sort of reasoning, at the very least. If it's not true, then why do many minorities typically value white standards of beauty so highly?

Why? Why do you think it's such an insane idea that growing up surrounded by a whitewashed and racist media could affect someone's preferences in a partner?

I don't think it's such an insane idea, what I think is an insane idea is when you propose that it's nigh impossible for people to not be that way.

A preference of race will be "just like any other preference" when we live in a world where white people never owned black people, when PoC make just as much on the dollar as white people, when we have equal representation in the media, when people stop dying because of racism. There is no KKK of hair color or age or intelligence. Race is different.

No, race is not different. It's only different so long as people continue to treat it differently. There is no law of the universe which states it HAS to be different. It's different, because people will it to be different.

I will it not to be different, as many others do. And since the entire point of this topic is to discuss whether or not racial preferences in attractiveness are intrinsically racist, that will is the only part of this conversation that truly matters. It's the only fucking thing I've been deabting this entire fucking time. That yes, it's NOT racist, because it's entitely possible that people have racial preferences that are NOT founded upon racist reasoning. Because yes, race CAN be just like hair or eye colour. And for many, that is reality.

Your unwillingness to accept that reality is, frankly, not my problem.

[Aurora Novus]

It's fucking entitled nonsense.

Says the one who came up with this "quote of wisdom":

You can be discriminatory when it comes to race without being racist.

So are AA programs designed to specifically target disadvantaged black individuals racist Soldati?