Only Want to Date White Girls, is this Racist?

[Wanderjar]

Clearly I was not 'raised in an environment where the image of beauty did not include them' nor did I grow up in a 'racially centric' environment. You like what you like, period.

Er, this doesn't logically follow. Your environment encompasses more than your home, you know. It encompasses everything you experience.

Read my edit.

[Geilinor]

Racism is putting value over another person's skin color. It's literally why racists can claim X color of skin is superior. That's the fucking point of racism, to devalue some races over another.

Valuing skin color, and claimign people of other skin color are objectively inferior and worthy of discrimination and mistreatment, are not anywhere comparable to one another. Trying to define racism as "just valuing skin colour" is fucking stupid. It speaks nothing about harmful things. Valuing skin colour is not worse than valuing hair or eye colour, the sound of someone's voice, ect. It's just another trait. There's nothing wrong with not valuing all traits equally.

They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races.

If you'll never date people of a certain race because you think that they're less attractive, you are making those statements.

[Mavorpen]

Er, this doesn't logically follow. Your environment encompasses more than your home, you know. It encompasses everything you experience.

Read my edit.

Why? I doesn't change a single thing about my point.

[Aurora Novus]

There is no double standard here. The reason we would initially want to say such a statement in that case is racist is because such a statement is almost always made based upon other qualifiers, such as "All people of X race are Y." That's not the case when discussing dating and races. Also, it's a compleely different context. Living arrangements and being romantically involved with someone are not that comparable.

Except when you refuse to date anyone of a certain race, which is the topic.

Refusing to date someone because of their race is not the same as saying "All people of X race are Y." It's making a statement about your personal tastes, and whether or not you're willing to date outside of your preferences. Not about the objective value or capabilities of another people. Not about the personality or behaviors of another people.

That you consistently fail to reocgnize this is why your position is so utterly stupid.

[Mavorpen]

Valuing skin color, and claimign people of other skin color are objectively inferior and worthy of discrimination and mistreatment, are not anywhere comparable to one another. Trying to define racism as "just valuing skin colour" is fucking stupid. It speaks nothing about harmful things. Valuing skin colour is not worse than valuing hair or eye colour, the sound of someone's voice, ect. It's just another trait. There's nothing wrong with not valuing all traits equally.

They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races.

If you'll never date people of a certain race because you think that they're less attractive, you are making those statements.

For some reason, nonconscious racism isn't racism to him.

I guess when doctors treat their black patients differently from their white patients, there's no racism. Nope, not at all.

[Kolmya]

No, it's preference.

[Wanderjar]

Read my edit.

Why? I doesn't change a single thing about my point.

Sure it does! It means you have waaaay too much time on your hands if you are concerned by the notion that someones lack of attraction to anyone outside of a particular ethnic group is racism.

[Norstal]

Yes and no. It's almost certainly a result of a racially-centric upbringing, but it does not necessitate hatred or bigotry. I have no desire to date black women, and I can only imagine that's so because I was raised in an environment where the image of "beauty" did not include them. However, I have no ill will towards them and fully support their equality.

As racism disappears, interracial dating will naturally become more prevalent. It's not something we need to worry about. A lack of interracial attraction is merely one more symptom of the bigger problem.

Simply put, you couldn't be more wrong.

My parents, both white, divorced when I was young. My Dad dated a latina woman and an Asian woman, both were wonderful women but eventually he split with both. My mother dated a Spanish man, and a black guy, before getting remarried to my current step-dad earlier this year, who is white. Now, in my twenty-three years of life, I have never been overly attracted to any group other than white women. I spent about half of my life with my grandparents, on a cattle ranch. On that ranch, most of our workers were either black or hispanic and I loved each of those men dearly, they were like uncles. In particular Alan, an African American man who was kind of the foreman if you will. He even used to come to my football games while I was in highschool, though sadly he died of lung cancer before I started playing in college. On my mother's side, my younger brother who is developmentally disabled had a full time nanny, who was African American. I called her Aunt Becky, and she was like family as well.

Clearly I was not 'raised in an environment where the image of beauty did not include them' nor did I grow up in a 'racially centric' environment. You like what you like, period.

So you'll still reject someone who matches everything you ever want in a woman except for her skin color?

Cause that's what the OP is doing. The OP is asking if that's racist or not.

[Aurora Novus]

Based upon a stupid and inane way of defining racism? As I've said, sure.

Not by any reasonable standard. "It's discriminatory" is not a reaosnable definition of racism.

How is "people of X race are inherently less attractive" not racism? It's like saying "certain races are inherently more intelligent".

Because that's not what people are saying. They aren't saying "People of X race are inherently less attractive", they're saying "To me, I find people of X race less attractive". They aren't making any form of statement about the objective qualities or values of a given race, they aren't claiming any one race is superior or inferior to another. They are making a statement of pure, personal, aethstetic value. Nothing more.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Racism is putting value over another person's skin color. It's literally why racists can claim X color of skin is superior. That's the fucking point of racism, to devalue some races over another.

Valuing skin color, and claimign people of other skin color are objectively inferior and worthy of discrimination and mistreatment, are not anywhere comparable to one another. Trying to define racism as "just valuing skin colour" is fucking stupid. It speaks nothing about harmful things. Valuing skin colour is not worse than valuing hair or eye colour, the sound of someone's voice, ect. It's just another trait. There's nothing wrong with not valuing all traits equally.

If your point to not date someone is because X color of skin is superior is fucking racist logic hence your preferences are built upon fucking racism.

Except no one (see: most people) thinks this way. They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races. They're only talking about their own, subjective, personal tastes. That's an entiely different statement.

You seem to understand this when it comes to a plethora of other catagories. Why you suddenly fail to understand this very simple principle when it comes ot race is fucking beyond me. I can't tell if it's due to incompetance or willful ignorance.

As someone who has studied the origins of racism I can tell you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about on the first and second point. I never said a preference was bad or a taste; I am saying that wen your taste is because one person is more attractive than another by mere account of their race is racist because that's what fucking racism is. That you put value over one skin color above all others.

It's literally an idea of the Enlightenment, this racism you see. It was basically philosopher's attempt to discern between races and attributes and they placed value upon whites as being "superior" and "more attractive" than blacks and other races. That's where fucking racism started, that's what racism is: it is the concept one's lightness or darkness confers, in and of itself, superior traits to dateability, holding a job, etc.

[Mavorpen]

Why? I doesn't change a single thing about my point.

Sure it does! It means you have waaaay too much time on your hands if you are concerned by the notion that someones lack of attraction to anyone outside of a particular ethnic group is racism.

And this doesn't change a single thing about my point, either.

Look, if you're going to waste my time making posts saying irrelevant stuff like, "it doesn't matter!" or "you're wasting your time!" don't bother replying to my posts.

[Mavorpen]

No, it's preference.

What's preference? The title of the OP, or the part of the OP that actually describes preference? Because frankly the OP didn't even seem to understand what he wanted to ask.

[Aurora Novus]

Valuing skin color, and claimign people of other skin color are objectively inferior and worthy of discrimination and mistreatment, are not anywhere comparable to one another. Trying to define racism as "just valuing skin colour" is fucking stupid. It speaks nothing about harmful things. Valuing skin colour is not worse than valuing hair or eye colour, the sound of someone's voice, ect. It's just another trait. There's nothing wrong with not valuing all traits equally.

They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races.

If you'll never date people of a certain race because you think that they're less attractive, you are making those statements.

No, you're not. Statements of personal aethstetic appeal are not statements of the objection worth of someone. To conflate them is pure intellectual dishonesty. If I don't like someone's hair cut, I'm not making a statement of their pbjective inferiority to people with haircuts I like. I making a statement of personal preference. If I don't like a particular food, I'm not claiming it's bjectively inferior to other foods that I like. This notion that you are pushing, that "not finding attractive = discrimination" is stupid and fucking childish, and makes you seem like an entitled creep.

[Wanderjar]

Simply put, you couldn't be more wrong.

My parents, both white, divorced when I was young. My Dad dated a latina woman and an Asian woman, both were wonderful women but eventually he split with both. My mother dated a Spanish man, and a black guy, before getting remarried to my current step-dad earlier this year, who is white. Now, in my twenty-three years of life, I have never been overly attracted to any group other than white women. I spent about half of my life with my grandparents, on a cattle ranch. On that ranch, most of our workers were either black or hispanic and I loved each of those men dearly, they were like uncles. In particular Alan, an African American man who was kind of the foreman if you will. He even used to come to my football games while I was in highschool, though sadly he died of lung cancer before I started playing in college. On my mother's side, my younger brother who is developmentally disabled had a full time nanny, who was African American. I called her Aunt Becky, and she was like family as well.

Clearly I was not 'raised in an environment where the image of beauty did not include them' nor did I grow up in a 'racially centric' environment. You like what you like, period.

So you'll still reject someone who matches everything you ever want in a woman except for her skin color?

Cause that's what the OP is doing. The OP is asking if that's racist or not.

I'm not talking about that, I'm saying if I walk down the road and you line up a white girl next to a black, hispanic, Asian, or whatever, 99% of the time I will choose the white girl. That said, I have dated (read fucked) Asians, blacks, and hispanics. Plenty of them. But still, I have an innate physical attraction for white redhead girls. That said, I also generally am less enthralled by blondes too.

[Mavorpen]

So you'll still reject someone who matches everything you ever want in a woman except for her skin color?

Cause that's what the OP is doing. The OP is asking if that's racist or not.

I'm not talking about that, I'm saying if I walk down the road and you line up a white girl next to a black, hispanic, Asian, or whatever, 99% of the time I will choose the white girl. That said, I have dated (read fucked) Asians, blacks, and hispanics. Plenty of them. But still, I have an innate physical attraction for white redhead girls. That said, I also generally am less enthralled by blondes too.

Er, no. It's not really innate.

[Wanderjar]

Sure it does! It means you have waaaay too much time on your hands if you are concerned by the notion that someones lack of attraction to anyone outside of a particular ethnic group is racism.

And this doesn't change a single thing about my point, either.

Look, if you're going to waste my time making posts saying irrelevant stuff like, "it doesn't matter!" or "you're wasting your time!" don't bother replying to my posts.

You clearly don't have valuable time if you're worrying on this.

[Conkerials]

Is it sexist to only want to date women?

Are you really comparing sex and race?

Really?

Are we going there? Of all the dark alleys to go down?

I'm comparing two aspects of a human being that attribute to attractiveness, desire, etc. Excluding gender from this debate would be stupid. It's simply not something you control. You either are or you aren't. You aren't racist for wanting only white women unless you are sexist for only wanting women.

[Aurora Novus]

If you'll never date people of a certain race because you think that they're less attractive, you are making those statements.

For some reason, nonconscious racism isn't racism to him.

I guess when doctors treat their black patients differently from their white patients, there's no racism. Nope, not at all.

So your answer to my claims is that people who don't want to date certain races purely for aethstetic reasons, is that they're all just secret racists? Because no one could simply just have an aethsitic preference against certain races?

You really are stretcthing things to try and make an argument here.

[Mavorpen]

And this doesn't change a single thing about my point, either.

Look, if you're going to waste my time making posts saying irrelevant stuff like, "it doesn't matter!" or "you're wasting your time!" don't bother replying to my posts.

You clearly don't have valuable time if you're worrying on this.

Me worrying about the detrimental affects the racism that's currently being discussed on the black community does not in any, way, shape or form imply I don't have valuable time.

Now, do you have something relevant to contribute or not?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

If you'll never date people of a certain race because you think that they're less attractive, you are making those statements.

No, you're not. Statements of personal aethstetic appeal are not statements of the objection worth of someone. To conflate them is pure intellectual dishonesty. If I don't like someone's hair cut, I'm not making a statement of their pbjective inferiority to people with haircuts I like. I making a statement of personal preference. If I don't like a particular food, I'm not claiming it's bjectively inferior to other foods that I like. This notion that you are pushing, that "not finding attractive = discrimination" is stupid and fucking childish, and makes you seem like an entitled creep.

Nobody is saying that "not finding attractive = discrimination" or that anyone wants entitlement.

What we're making you realize is that, if you date a lesser desirable woman over a more desirable one in your mind just because of their skin color is racist. It's not that it's outright racism, it is that the preference is grounded in racist logic. Being a racist implies one thing, but using racist logic is something people do all the time and they don't realize it. In other words, that there's certain patterns of thinking that are racist, and being unaware of them doesn't mean you're racist, but that you haven't thought things through enough.

[Aurora Novus]

As someone who has studied the origins of racism I can tell you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about on the first and second point. I never said a preference was bad or a taste; I am saying that wen your taste is because one person is more attractive than another by mere account of their race is racist because that's what fucking racism is. That you put value over one skin color above all others.

I find it funny that you claim to have studied the origins of racism, because most acedemics define racism in terms of power relations and institutional oppression, not "putting value on certain skin colours above others".

As I said, defining racism as that is a fucking stupid and vapid way of defining it. It's a child's way of defining racism. Racism is more than just a value of skin colour. It's unjustified harm, it's involved in power struggles and institutional oppression. The value of skin colour is a sympton of racism, it's not what racism is.

[Mavorpen]

I'm comparing two aspects of a human being that attribute to attractiveness, desire, etc. Excluding gender from this debate would be stupid. It's simply not something you control. You either are or you aren't. You aren't racist for wanting only white women unless you are sexist for only wanting women.

No, excluding gender from this debate is the only intellectually honest thing you could do concerning it.

Your environment (i.e. the media, advertisements, social norms, etc.) does not want to make you want to only fuck women. Being constantly subject to advertisements of attractive men over the course of your life will not make you want to fuck a man. Being subject to media and advertisements portraying that light skin=good and dark skin=bad combined with social norms tracing back to slavery, can, and does impact your desire to only date white women.

[Aurora Novus]

I'm comparing two aspects of a human being that attribute to attractiveness, desire, etc. Excluding gender from this debate would be stupid. It's simply not something you control. You either are or you aren't. You aren't racist for wanting only white women unless you are sexist for only wanting women.

No, excluding gender from this debate is the only intellectually honest thing you could do concerning it.

Your environment (i.e. the media, advertisements, social norms, etc.) does not want to make you want to only fuck women. Being subject to advertisements of attractive men will not make you want to fuck a man. Being subject to media and advertisements portraying that light skin=good and dark skin=bad combined with social norms tracing back to slavery, can, and does impact your desire to only date white women.

So you're saying that in a natural environment, devoid of social pressure, no one would have racial preferences?

That's patantly false.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

As someone who has studied the origins of racism I can tell you don't even know what the fuck you're talking about on the first and second point. I never said a preference was bad or a taste; I am saying that wen your taste is because one person is more attractive than another by mere account of their race is racist because that's what fucking racism is. That you put value over one skin color above all others.

I find it funny that you claim to have studied the origins of racism, because most acedemics define racism in terms of power relations and institutional oppression, not "putting value on certain skin colours above others".

As I said, defining racism as that is a fucking stupid and vapid way of defining it. It's a child's way of defining racism. Racism is more than just a value of skin colour. It's unjustified harm, it's involved in power struggles and institutional oppression. The value of skin colour is a sympton of racism, it's not what racism is.

Institutional Racism =/= Ideological Racism

Institutional Racism happens when there's power relations involved. Ideological Racism is the idea that one segment of the population is better or superior on account of their race. This does not mean that institutionalized racism happens. You can have racist ideas without being an institutional racist.

[Aurora Novus]

Nobody is saying that "not finding attractive = discrimination"

I am saying that wen your taste is because one person is more attractive than another by mere account of their race is racist because that's what fucking racism is.

That is literally what your argument is. Your argument is that having racial preferences is discrimination, and therefore racist. That's your argument.

It's not that it's outright racism, it is that the preference is grounded in racist logic.

So you accept then that it's possible for the preference to not be grounded in racist logic?

Good. Now explain to me why you think the majority of the time it is grounded in racist logic. Because it's fucking not.