Only Want to Date White Girls, is this Racist?

[Aurora Novus]

And like I said, attractions don't necessarily have to be racists. Also, how do you know if you won't end up falling in love with a woman who actually has big breasts?! Like you said, you have no clue what's going to happen. However, you can make statements that are grounded in racism, which is why "I can't date black women because..." any other given option as "opposed to X race" is racist because it is grounded in fucking racism.

You're right, I don't know the future. Which is why such a statement, as I said earlier, is probably an inane statement to make. It's naive. But that's the worst it is. It's not racist. At least, not by any reasonable definition. The idea that being unnatracted to a certian race, and consequently, refusing to date them as a result, as being grounded in racism is a stupid idea. It's not grounded in racism. It's grounded in personal preference. Saying you won't date someone of X race isn't disparaging that race. It isn't trying to discriminate against them institutionally. It's not trying to dominate them, it's not even labeling them "inferior". It's making a statement about things which you find personally attractive or unatractive, and making the decision to date only within the bounds of what you find attractive. It is saying nothing bad about the races you don't want to date, it's literally only a statement of personal taste, and nothing more.

Is that discriminatory? Yes. But is it unreasonably harmful? Is it some form or offshoot of institutional oppression? Does it keep other races suppressed and disadvanatged? No. So if that's it, if that's your only qualifier, that's it's discriminatory, then I'm inclinced to take your complaints as an idictment of you, not the type of individual you are rallying against. Because defining racism as just "It's discriminatory" is a fucking stupid way of defining racism.

2. First of all, stop the fucking aggressiveness.

Oh please. You started our conversation by claiming that I have a habit of saying inane things, and that you didn't know if it's because I'm a kid, or immature. Don't be a hypocrite.

And I find your ideas to be fucking stupid. Void of any merit what so ever. I'm not going to pretend they are anything less than that.

Secondly, I am a man, how the fuck am I being self-absorbed when it has fuck all to do with me?! If you were paying attention you would stop making vapid assumptions yourself and realize that I'm not fucking talking about myself.

I'm not making assumptions, I knew you were a man. I knew you weren't talking about yourself. It's still self-absorbed. What you're adovcating for is a highly self-absorbed position. It's a position based on a bloated sense of entitlement.

Also, nobody ever said someone is ENTITLED to; that's the most ridiculous assumption I have heard you say so far to begin with.

I didn't say someone said they are entitled to something. I'm saying that is the driving force behind your claims. A bloated sense of entitlement.

I am not saying you are entitled to date anyone, what I am saying is that the statement "I will never date X because Y" is ground in assumptions about someone's skin color when it comes to skin color and therefore is racist as fuck because the opinion of one skin color not being dateable is grounded in fucking racism. Good God I can't believe you can't process that.

You realize that when people refuse to date someone because of their race, it's not necessarily because of anything other than their physical appearance...right? It's not as if these people are thinking "Oh, you're X race, that means you're A, B, and C. I don't like you." It's literally just "Oh, you're X race. I don't find that particularly physically attractuve. I won't date you."

Were it the former, I'd agree, it's racist. But we're discussing the latter. To say that the latter is racist is just stupid. It's vapid, inane garbage. It's chlidish whining.

[Aurora Novus]

A refusal to date IS NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF racist. An INABILITY TO DATE, BECAUSE YOU THINK A PERSON WHO IS X COLOR OF SKIN IS ICKY AND SHITTY IS RACIST.

What do you mean by finding them "icky"? Like, physically unappealing? Then no, I can't agree.

I stated this in my other post, but when it comes to rejecting someone of other races because you associate their race with certain personality attributes or other things that you find unnappealing, yes, that's racist. But that's also not what we're talking about.

If I say I won't date black women, because black women are all X, then yeah, that's racist.
If I say I won't date black women, because I don't find black women physically attractive or aethstetically pleasing, no, that's not racist.

And it also works in reverse to.

If I say I will only date black women, because black women are all X, yes, this too is racist.
If I say I will only date black women, because I don't find any other race attractivbecause black women are the only group of women I find attractive, no, that's not racist by any reasonable standard.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

And like I said, attractions don't necessarily have to be racists. Also, how do you know if you won't end up falling in love with a woman who actually has big breasts?! Like you said, you have no clue what's going to happen. However, you can make statements that are grounded in racism, which is why "I can't date black women because..." any other given option as "opposed to X race" is racist because it is grounded in fucking racism.

1. You're right, I don't know the future. Which is why such a statement, as I said earlier, is probably an inane statement to make. It's naive. But that's the worst it is. It's not racist. At least, not by any reasonable definition. The idea that being unnatracted to a certian race, and consequently, refusing to date them as a result, as being grounded in racism is a stupid idea. It's not grounded in racism. It's grounded in personal preference. Saying you won't date someone of X race isn't disparaging that race. It isn't trying to discriminate against them institutionally. It's not trying to dominate them, it's not even labeling them "inferior". It's making a statement about things which you find personally attractive or unatractive, and making the decision to date only within the bounds of what you find attractive. It is saying nothing bad about the races you don't want to date, it's literally only a statement of personal taste, and nothing more.

Is that discriminatory? Yes. But is it unreasonably harmful? Is it some form or offshoot of institutional oppression? Does it keep other races suppressed and disadvanatged? No. So if that's it, if that's your only qualifier, that's it's discriminatory, then I'm inclinced to take your complaints as an idictment of you, not the type of individual you are rallying against. Because defining racism as just "It's discriminatory" is a fucking stupid way of defining racism.

2. First of all, stop the fucking aggressiveness.

Oh please. You started our conversation by claiming that I have a habit of saying inane things, and that you didn't know if it's because I'm a kid, or immature. Don't be a hypocrite.

And I find your ideas to be fucking stupid. Void of any merit what so ever. I'm not going to pretend they are anything less than that.

Secondly, I am a man, how the fuck am I being self-absorbed when it has fuck all to do with me?! If you were paying attention you would stop making vapid assumptions yourself and realize that I'm not fucking talking about myself.

I'm not making assumptions, I knew you were a man. I knew you weren't talking about yourself. It's still self-absorbed. What you're adovcating for is a highly self-absorbed position. It's a position based on a bloated sense of entitlement.

Also, nobody ever said someone is ENTITLED to; that's the most ridiculous assumption I have heard you say so far to begin with.

I didn't say someone said they are entitled to something. I'm saying that is the driving force behind your claims. A bloated sense of entitlement.

I am not saying you are entitled to date anyone, what I am saying is that the statement "I will never date X because Y" is ground in assumptions about someone's skin color when it comes to skin color and therefore is racist as fuck because the opinion of one skin color not being dateable is grounded in fucking racism. Good God I can't believe you can't process that.

You realize that when people refuse to date someone because of their race, it's not necessarily because of anything other than their physical appearance...right? It's not as if these people are thinking "Oh, you're X race, that means you're A, B, and C. I don't like you." It's literally just "Oh, you're X race. I don't find that particularly physically attractuve. I won't date you."

Were it the former, I'd agree, it's racist. But we're discussing the latter. To say that the latter is racist is just stupid. It's vapid, inane garbage. It's chlidish whining.

1. Stop being so inane as to not recognize that if you think "X race is icky" isn't racist. It is because you're placing value on someone's color of skin, regardless whether they're your type or not. If you think one race is superior over another it's racism, it's simple.

2. I can say that because of your own comments in this thread with Geillinor. You don't know me, you haven't seen my comments about the issue so you can't talk much about me can you? If you are saying shit I will tell you you're talking shit and I don't know if it is because you are inexperienced or immature.

3. How is it self-absorbed when I'M NOT THE OBJECT OF IT?! You obviously either need to read up on what self-entitlement or self-absorbed is or you'd rather not use those words. And if I do find your ideas idiotic I will call you on it and I will explain why, but I won't call you "childish" as you're prone to do every single fucking time we debate.

4. If it was a sense of entitlement then I'd say "women and men must date, regardless of race"; that's not what I'm saying, is it?! I am saying that PREFERENCES BUILT UPON RACIST LOGIC ARE RACIST. How do you manage to confuse both is astounding to me.

5. That's bullshit. People decide not to date for any kind of reasons, some of those reasons grounded in racism. And what you just said "Oh you're X race, I don't find that particularly attractive" is borderline racist to the listener because you're making the statement that their race isn't worth your time. Fuck that noise.

[Mavorpen]

So, what, another person thinks comparing the topic to a feature like breasts makes it any less racist?

And here I thought someone brought something new to the table to try to show that it isn't racist.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

A refusal to date IS NOT, IN AND OF ITSELF racist. An INABILITY TO DATE, BECAUSE YOU THINK A PERSON WHO IS X COLOR OF SKIN IS ICKY AND SHITTY IS RACIST.

What do you mean by finding them "icky"? Like, physically unappealing? Then no, I can't agree.

I stated this in my other post, but when it comes to rejecting someone of other races because you associate their race with certain personality attributes or other things that you find unnappealing, yes, that's racist. But that's also not what we're talking about.

If I say I won't date black women, because black women are all X, then yeah, that's racist.
If I say I won't date black women, because I don't find black women physically attractive or aethstetically pleasing, no, that's not racist.

And it also works in reverse to.

If I say I will only date black women, because black women are all X, yes, this too is racist.
If I say I will only date black women, because I don't find any other race attractivbecause black women are the only group of women I find attractive, no, that's not racist by any reasonable standard.

And like I said, it fucking depends on your reasoning. Fuck me sideways, I'VE BEEN FUCKING ARGUING THAT all this fucking time! Jesus fuck. I don't understand what the fuck is hard for you to understand about my posts; is it because I am not speaking 5th grade English, is it perhaps my vocabulary goes over your head half the time or what, but I've been saying that, depending on the circumstances it can be racist, but that it doesn't have to be.

If you just inactively date women of only one race because you find them attractive that's not racist, it is what it is. If you have an active repulsion for specific races it is fucking racist. It's like men dating women. If you are heterosexual you simply are not interested in men. If you are not interested in men because "homosexual men are disgusting" it's not only the fact you're a heterosexual (or a closet homosexual) but that you're also fucking homophobic.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

So, what, another person thinks comparing the topic to a feature like breasts makes it any less racist?

And here I thought someone brought something new to the table to try to show that it isn't racist.

It's like they don't read what they are posting.

[Mavorpen]

So, what, another person thinks comparing the topic to a feature like breasts makes it any less racist?

And here I thought someone brought something new to the table to try to show that it isn't racist.

It's like they don't read what they are posting.

I was wondering why they were on my ignore list.

I've quickly found out why.

[Aurora Novus]

1. Stop being so inane as to not recognize that if you think "X race is icky" isn't racist. It is because you're placing value on someone's color of skin, regardless whether they're your type or not. If you think one race is superior over another it's racism, it's simple.

The bolded is correct.

The bolded is not what is happening when people say "I'm unnatracted to X race, and therefore won't date anyone of that race." You rattemps to characterize individuals who make such statements as closet racists is deplorable on your part. It's intellectually dishonest of you.

Placing value on skin colour is not, in of itself, racist. Not by any reasonable standard (standards with deal with harm, institutional oppression, agency over one's existence, ect.). It's racist only in a purely "It's discriminatory" sense. Which is a fucking stupid and childish way of defining racism.

2. I can say that because of your own comments in this thread with Geillinor. You don't know me, you haven't seen my comments about the issue so you can't talk much about me can you? If you are saying shit I will tell you you're talking shit and I don't know if it is because you are inexperienced or immature.

I love it when the point you make to someone goes right over their head, and they continue to indict themselves with their response. You complained about me being "aggressive", when you, yourself, started our exchange by being aggressive. And you continue to be aggressive.

I'm fine with that, I can handle myself. But don't be a hypocrite. Unless you're okay with me mocking you for it. Don't dish it if you can't take it.

3. How is it self-absorbed when I'M NOT THE OBJECT OF IT?!

Let me ask you something. Do you think women can be sexist towards women? Do you think blacks can be racist towards blacks?\

4. If it was a sense of entitlement then I'd say "women and men must date, regardless of race"; that's not what I'm saying, is it?! I am saying that PREFERENCES BUILT UPON RACIST LOGIC ARE RACIST. How do you manage to confuse both is astounding to me.

I'm not confusing anything. I'm statig, very clearly, that your claims that these preferences are racist is built upon a sense of entitlement. "How dare this person not find me attractive, how dare they not want to date me, wahhh! I'll call them racist, then they'll see what a catchI am!"

5. That's bullshit. People decide not to date for any kind of reasons, some of those reasons grounded in racism.

Yes, some are. But some aren't. Your refusal to recognize that is why your position is so laughably stupid.

And what you just said "Oh you're X race, I don't find that particularly attractive" is borderline racist to the listener because you're making the statement that their race isn't worth your time. Fuck that noise.

And this is exactly what I mean by your complaints being based upon a bloated sense of entitlement. You're not worth my time. You're only worth my time if I decide that you are. You have no right, no expecation, to my time.

[Geilinor]

1. Stop being so inane as to not recognize that if you think "X race is icky" isn't racist. It is because you're placing value on someone's color of skin, regardless whether they're your type or not. If you think one race is superior over another it's racism, it's simple.

The bolded is correct.

The bolded is not what is happening when people say "I'm unnatracted to X race, and therefore won't date anyone of that race." You rattemps to characterize individuals who make such statements as closet racists is deplorable on your part. It's intellectually dishonest of you.

Placing value on skin colour is not, in of itself, racist. Not by any reasonable standard (standards with deal with harm, institutional oppression, agency over one's existence, ect.). It's racist only in a purely "It's discriminatory" sense. Which is a fucking stupid and childish way of defining racism.

2. I can say that because of your own comments in this thread with Geillinor. You don't know me, you haven't seen my comments about the issue so you can't talk much about me can you? If you are saying shit I will tell you you're talking shit and I don't know if it is because you are inexperienced or immature.

I love it when the point you make to someone goes right over their head, and they continue to indict themselves with their response. You complained about me being "aggressive", when you, yourself, started our exchange by being aggressive. And you continue to be aggressive.

I'm fine with that, I can handle myself. But don't be a hypocrite. Unless you're okay with me mocking you for it. Don't dish it if you can't take it.

3. How is it self-absorbed when I'M NOT THE OBJECT OF IT?!

Let me ask you something. Do you think women can be sexist towards women? Do you think blacks can be racist towards blacks?\

4. If it was a sense of entitlement then I'd say "women and men must date, regardless of race"; that's not what I'm saying, is it?! I am saying that PREFERENCES BUILT UPON RACIST LOGIC ARE RACIST. How do you manage to confuse both is astounding to me.

I'm not confusing anything. I'm statig, very clearly, that your claims that these preferences are racist is built upon a sense of entitlement. "How dare this person not find me attractive, how dare they not want to date me, wahhh! I'll call them racist, then they'll see what a catchI am!"

5. That's bullshit. People decide not to date for any kind of reasons, some of those reasons grounded in racism.

Yes, some are. But some aren't. Your refusal to recognize that is why your position is so laughably stupid.

And what you just said "Oh you're X race, I don't find that particularly attractive" is borderline racist to the listener because you're making the statement that their race isn't worth your time. Fuck that noise.

And this is exactly what I mean by your complaints being based upon a bloated sense of entitlement. You're not worth my time. You're only worth my time if I decide that you are. You have no right, no expecation, to my time.

It's racist when your only reason for saying no is the other person's race.

[Aurora Novus]

So, what, another person thinks comparing the topic to a feature like breasts makes it any less racist?

And here I thought someone brought something new to the table to try to show that it isn't racist.

Valuing race is no different than valuing sex, or pther physical atributes (like breast size).

If that's how you define racism, as I've said, that's a fucking stupid and childish way of defining racism, because it doesn't possess any of the other qualities we would attribute to racism.

[Mavorpen]

The bolded is correct.

The bolded is not what is happening when people say "I'm unnatracted to X race, and therefore won't date anyone of that race." You rattemps to characterize individuals who make such statements as closet racists is deplorable on your part. It's intellectually dishonest of you.

Placing value on skin colour is not, in of itself, racist. Not by any reasonable standard (standards with deal with harm, institutional oppression, agency over one's existence, ect.). It's racist only in a purely "It's discriminatory" sense. Which is a fucking stupid and childish way of defining racism.




I love it when the point you make to someone goes right over their head, and they continue to indict themselves with their response. You complained about me being "aggressive", when you, yourself, started our exchange by being aggressive. And you continue to be aggressive.

I'm fine with that, I can handle myself. But don't be a hypocrite. Unless you're okay with me mocking you for it. Don't dish it if you can't take it.




Let me ask you something. Do you think women can be sexist towards women? Do you think blacks can be racist towards blacks?\




I'm not confusing anything. I'm statig, very clearly, that your claims that these preferences are racist is built upon a sense of entitlement. "How dare this person not find me attractive, how dare they not want to date me, wahhh! I'll call them racist, then they'll see what a catchI am!"




Yes, some are. But some aren't. Your refusal to recognize that is why your position is so laughably stupid.




And this is exactly what I mean by your complaints being based upon a bloated sense of entitlement. You're not worth my time. You're only worth my time if I decide that you are. You have no right, no expecation, to my time.

It's racist when your only reason for saying no is the other person's race.

I mean, it should really be something easy to grasp.

If I were to state, "I don't want to live or work with black people," that would be racist, wouldn't it? I don't get the silly double standard here.

[Mavorpen]

So, what, another person thinks comparing the topic to a feature like breasts makes it any less racist?

And here I thought someone brought something new to the table to try to show that it isn't racist.

Valuing race is no different than valuing sex, or pther physical atributes (like breast size).

Yes yes, I get it, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute other than to make stupid comparisons that have been addressed over and over.

[Aurora Novus]

It's racist when your only reason for saying no is the other person's race.

Based upon a stupid and inane way of defining racism? As I've said, sure.

Not by any reasonable standard. "It's discriminatory" is not a reaosnable definition of racism.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Valuing race is no different than valuing sex, or pther physical atributes (like breast size).

Yes yes, I get it, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute other than to make stupid comparisons that have been addressed over and over.

I mean, it's not like I've tried to reason his claims. But everytime I see each subsequent post I end up with my spleen about to explode.

[Aurora Novus]

I mean, it should really be something easy to grasp.

If I were to state, "I don't want to live or work with black people," that would be racist, wouldn't it? I don't get the silly double standard here.

There is no double standard here. The reason we would initially want to say such a statement in that case is racist is because such a statement is almost always made based upon other qualifiers, such as "All people of X race are Y." That's not the case when discussing dating and races. Also, it's a compleely different context. Living arrangements and being romantically involved with someone are not that comparable.

Valuing race is no different than valuing sex, or pther physical atributes (like breast size).

Yes yes, I get it, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute other than to make stupid comparisons that have been addressed over and over.

Yes yes, I understand, you feel the need to be intellectually dishonest due to a lack of alternatve to support your argument. Cute.

[Aurora Novus]

Yes yes, I get it, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute other than to make stupid comparisons that have been addressed over and over.

I mean, it's not like I've tried to reason his claims. But everytime I see each subsequent post I end up with my spleen about to explode.

I'm sorry your inability to accept reality causes you physical distress. You should get that checked out.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

It's racist when your only reason for saying no is the other person's race.

Based upon a stupid and inane way of defining racism? As I've said, sure.

Not by any reasonable standard. "It's discriminatory" is not a reaosnable definition of racism.

Racism is putting value over another person's skin color. It's literally why racists can claim X color of skin is superior. That's the fucking point of racism, to devalue some races over another.

If your point to not date someone is because X color of skin is superior is fucking racist logic hence your preferences are built upon fucking racism. That is not to say you are a racist, that is to say that your preference is built upon racism, and that's different.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I mean, it's not like I've tried to reason his claims. But everytime I see each subsequent post I end up with my spleen about to explode.

I'm sorry your inability to accept reality causes you physical distress. You should get that checked out.

I'm not the one who's unable to reason out his responses and uses the most vapid logic only a 5 year old would actually use to defend an indefensible position. Try again.

[Mavorpen]

There is no double standard here. The reason we would initially want to say such a statement in that case is racist is because such a statement is almost always made based upon other qualifiers, such as "All people of X race are Y." That's not the case when discussing dating and races. Also, it's a compleely different context. Living arrangements and being romantically involved with someone are not that comparable.

Except when you refuse to date anyone of a certain race, which is the topic.

Really, either you haven't read what we're posting or you aren't even reviewing what you're typing before pressing "submit."

Yes yes, I get it, you really don't have anything meaningful to contribute other than to make stupid comparisons that have been addressed over and over.

Yes yes, I understand, you feel the need to be intellectually dishonest due to a lack of alternatve to support your argument. Cute.

Is this supposed to not be nonsensical?

[Wanderjar]

Yes and no. It's almost certainly a result of a racially-centric upbringing, but it does not necessitate hatred or bigotry. I have no desire to date black women, and I can only imagine that's so because I was raised in an environment where the image of "beauty" did not include them. However, I have no ill will towards them and fully support their equality.

As racism disappears, interracial dating will naturally become more prevalent. It's not something we need to worry about. A lack of interracial attraction is merely one more symptom of the bigger problem.

Simply put, you couldn't be more wrong.

My parents, both white, divorced when I was young. My Dad dated a latina woman and an Asian woman, both were wonderful women but eventually he split with both. My mother dated a Spanish man, and a black guy, before getting remarried to my current step-dad earlier this year, who is white. Now, in my twenty-three years of life, I have never been overly attracted to any group other than white women. I spent about half of my life with my grandparents, on a cattle ranch. On that ranch, most of our workers were either black or hispanic and I loved each of those men dearly, they were like uncles. In particular Alan, an African American man who was kind of the foreman if you will. He even used to come to my football games while I was in highschool, though sadly he died of lung cancer before I started playing in college. On my mother's side, my younger brother who is developmentally disabled had a full time nanny, who was African American. I called her Aunt Becky, and she was like family as well.

Clearly I was not 'raised in an environment where the image of beauty did not include them' nor did I grow up in a 'racially centric' environment. You like what you like, period.

[Mavorpen]

Clearly I was not 'raised in an environment where the image of beauty did not include them' nor did I grow up in a 'racially centric' environment. You like what you like, period.

Er, this doesn't logically follow. Your environment encompasses more than your home, you know. It encompasses everything you experience.

[Geilinor]

It's racist when your only reason for saying no is the other person's race.

Based upon a stupid and inane way of defining racism? As I've said, sure.

Not by any reasonable standard. "It's discriminatory" is not a reaosnable definition of racism.

How is "people of X race are inherently less attractive" not racism? It's like saying "certain races are inherently more intelligent".

[Aurora Novus]

Racism is putting value over another person's skin color. It's literally why racists can claim X color of skin is superior. That's the fucking point of racism, to devalue some races over another.

Valuing skin color, and claimign people of other skin color are objectively inferior and worthy of discrimination and mistreatment, are not anywhere comparable to one another. Trying to define racism as "just valuing skin colour" is fucking stupid. It speaks nothing about harmful things. Valuing skin colour is not worse than valuing hair or eye colour, the sound of someone's voice, ect. It's just another trait. There's nothing wrong with not valuing all traits equally.

If your point to not date someone is because X color of skin is superior is fucking racist logic hence your preferences are built upon fucking racism.

Except no one (see: most people) thinks this way. They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races. They're only talking about their own, subjective, personal tastes. That's an entiely different statement.

You seem to understand this when it comes to a plethora of other catagories. Why you suddenly fail to understand this very simple principle when it comes ot race is fucking beyond me. I can't tell if it's due to incompetance or willful ignorance.

[Aurora Novus]

I'm sorry your inability to accept reality causes you physical distress. You should get that checked out.

I'm not the one who's unable to reason out his responses and uses the most vapid logic only a 5 year old would actually use to defend an indefensible position. Try again.

What happend to "Waaah, aggression"?

[Mavorpen]

Except no one (see: most people) thinks this way. They aren't making statements about the superiority or inferiority of races. They're only talking about their own, subjective, personal tastes. That's an entiely different statement.

Riiight. So racism isn't racism if the person isn't aware of it.

Yeah, that's my cue to stop pressing the "show post" button for your posts.