Only Want to Date White Girls, is this Racist?

[Dakini]

It's not racist, I also prefer white girls. It's similar to not wanting to date a girl with braces or a rap music fan.

I love how you add the last part as though that makes you seem less racist.

[NAROLA-II]

Uh, if your preference simply ends up excluding most or all members of a race, then that doesn't make it preference. The argument involving food is sort of irrelevant. It's all about the reason and activeness of the exclusion. If it is active exclusion (that is, making the conscious decision not to date members of X race), then it is racist; if it is inactive exclusion (that is, simply ending up dating excluding that group simply by dating what one is more attracted to), then it is not.

Yeah, if most or all members of a race look in a way that you really dislike, you will exclude them mostly or entirely. If it's not looks it might be personality or anything else. Everyone has it's likings and has something they dislike so much that, even if they don't get to the point of hating or disgust, is a deal breaker for them. That happens in friendships as well. People from different races can be hugely different in in their appearance regarding each other, it's not just the skin that changes. Some people are ok with those differences, some can't simply like them and as long as they maintain a respectful attitude it's not wrong or racist at all. There MIGHT be, and there are MANY cases, where the motivation behind not liking is simply racist. Doesn't mean everyone with this "exclusion" is based on racism.

Let's not start on cultural differences and such. The trendy thing now may be all that babble of having to live all together (even to the point of relationships, it seems) but at the end of the day we want to be with the people we get along. Places that can manage this are closer to heaven than the "political correct" society they are trying to force us, in which we are thrown together without any respect for differences and preferences for the benefit of a few. Read about the clash of civilizations and you will get it. At the end of the day, some people just gain with our unhappiness and by creating problems like this.

Let's all be grateful for the freedom we have, so far, of being able to choose with who with get involved, no matter what or who.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

-snip-.

The problem with your logic is that you're using consequentialism (the intentions don't matter, the action and results count) as a standard of measurement.

Now, looking at the intentions of an action for a minute and disregarding that action Z may or may not be racist, you can see that if the intention or the motive behind the action is because you believe X race is superior to Y and you won't ever touch Y because Y is inferior then your argument is racist.

Putting an example: if a tea afficionado says "I like tea, tea is great, and all my girlfriends have liked tea" and then you ask "well what about coffee drinkers? Don't you like them?" and they say "Coffee drinkers? Why would I notice them?! I don't want to date someone who drinks coffee, I don't like women who drink coffee" then that means they are subconsciously discriminating against coffee drinking women, or they think there's something inferior about them.

Now, if they say "well, coffee drinking women are dateable too, nothing against them, but I just prefer to date tea drinking women, seems more attractive to me" that DOESN'T mean they are excluding coffee drinking as inferior, just that they are attracted more to tea drinking, and that's a preference in that, while they are not closing the door for dating coffee drinkers, they are making a choice that out of the two, tea drinkers are more appealing to them.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Uh, if your preference simply ends up excluding most or all members of a race, then that doesn't make it preference. The argument involving food is sort of irrelevant. It's all about the reason and activeness of the exclusion. If it is active exclusion (that is, making the conscious decision not to date members of X race), then it is racist; if it is inactive exclusion (that is, simply ending up dating excluding that group simply by dating what one is more attracted to), then it is not.

Yeah, if most or all members of a race look in a way that you really dislike, you will exclude them mostly or entirely. If it's not looks it might be personality or anything else. Everyone has it's likings and has something they dislike so much that, even if they don't get to the point of hating or disgust, is a deal breaker for them. That happens in friendships as well. People from different races can be hugely different in in their appearance regarding each other, it's not just the skin that changes. Some people are ok with those differences, some can't simply like them and as long as they maintain a respectful attitude it's not wrong or racist at all. There MIGHT be, and there are MANY cases, where the motivation behind not liking is simply racist. Doesn't mean everyone with this "exclusion" is based on racism.

Let's not start on cultural differences and such. The trendy thing now may be all that babble of having to live all together (even to the point of relationships, it seems) but at the end of the day we want to be with the people we get along. Places that can manage this are closer to heaven than the "political correct" society they are trying to force us, in which we are thrown together without any respect for differences and preferences for the benefit of a few. Read about the clash of civilizations and you will get it. At the end of the day, some people just gain with our unhappiness and by creating problems like this.

Let's all be grateful for the freedom we have, so far, of being able to choose with who with get involved, no matter what or who.

Personality traits are not the same as skin color though.

While one is a deal breaker ("I'm not into women who yell because I don't yell") is entirely different than excluding someone simply because of skin color ("I'm not into black women because they're black, not white").

[Mavorpen]

Yeah, if most or all members of a race look in a way that you really dislike, you will exclude them mostly or entirely. If it's not looks it might be personality or anything else. Everyone has it's likings and has something they dislike so much that, even if they don't get to the point of hating or disgust, is a deal breaker for them. That happens in friendships as well. People from different races can be hugely different in in their appearance regarding each other, it's not just the skin that changes. Some people are ok with those differences, some can't simply like them and as long as they maintain a respectful attitude it's not wrong or racist at all. There MIGHT be, and there are MANY cases, where the motivation behind not liking is simply racist. Doesn't mean everyone with this "exclusion" is based on racism.

Let's not start on cultural differences and such. The trendy thing now may be all that babble of having to live all together (even to the point of relationships, it seems) but at the end of the day we want to be with the people we get along. Places that can manage this are closer to heaven than the "political correct" society they are trying to force us, in which we are thrown together without any respect for differences and preferences for the benefit of a few. Read about the clash of civilizations and you will get it. At the end of the day, some people just gain with our unhappiness and by creating problems like this.

Let's all be grateful for the freedom we have, so far, of being able to choose with who with get involved, no matter what or who.

Personality traits are not the same as skin color though.

While one is a deal breaker ("I'm not into women who yell because I don't yell") is entirely different than excluding someone simply because of skin color ("I'm not into black women because they're black, not white").

I don't understand how anyone can seriously think the comparison makes any sense.

Discrimination based on personality does not have the history that discrimination based on race does. We KNOW the basis for absolute refusal do date black people. We KNOW the basis for the societal belief that light skin=attractive and dark skin=not attractive.

If your best argument against the historical facts and how they pertain to current society is "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!" you've thoroughly admitted defeat.

[United Marxist Nations]

Yeah, if most or all members of a race look in a way that you really dislike, you will exclude them mostly or entirely. If it's not looks it might be personality or anything else. Everyone has it's likings and has something they dislike so much that, even if they don't get to the point of hating or disgust, is a deal breaker for them. That happens in friendships as well. People from different races can be hugely different in in their appearance regarding each other, it's not just the skin that changes. Some people are ok with those differences, some can't simply like them and as long as they maintain a respectful attitude it's not wrong or racist at all. There MIGHT be, and there are MANY cases, where the motivation behind not liking is simply racist. Doesn't mean everyone with this "exclusion" is based on racism.

Let's not start on cultural differences and such. The trendy thing now may be all that babble of having to live all together (even to the point of relationships, it seems) but at the end of the day we want to be with the people we get along. Places that can manage this are closer to heaven than the "political correct" society they are trying to force us, in which we are thrown together without any respect for differences and preferences for the benefit of a few. Read about the clash of civilizations and you will get it. At the end of the day, some people just gain with our unhappiness and by creating problems like this.

Let's all be grateful for the freedom we have, so far, of being able to choose with who with get involved, no matter what or who.

Personality traits are not the same as skin color though.

While one is a deal breaker ("I'm not into women who yell because I don't yell") is entirely different than excluding someone simply because of skin color ("I'm not into black women because they're black, not white").

While you're right, and I had a bit of trouble following what he was saying, skin pigmentation is still a physical trait that is subject to scrutiny in physical attraction.

[United Marxist Nations]

Personality traits are not the same as skin color though.

While one is a deal breaker ("I'm not into women who yell because I don't yell") is entirely different than excluding someone simply because of skin color ("I'm not into black women because they're black, not white").

I don't understand how anyone can seriously think the comparison makes any sense.

Discrimination based on personality does not have the history that discrimination based on race does. We KNOW the basis for absolute refusal do date black people. We KNOW the basis for the societal belief that light skin=attractive and dark skin=not attractive.

If your best argument against the historical facts and how they pertain to current society is "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!" you've thoroughly admitted defeat.

Studies tend to show that people are more attracted to people who look like them, so that is the primary reason why most in white majority countries are more attracted to whites.

[Mavorpen]

I don't understand how anyone can seriously think the comparison makes any sense.

Discrimination based on personality does not have the history that discrimination based on race does. We KNOW the basis for absolute refusal do date black people. We KNOW the basis for the societal belief that light skin=attractive and dark skin=not attractive.

If your best argument against the historical facts and how they pertain to current society is "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS!" you've thoroughly admitted defeat.

Studies tend to show that people are more attracted to people who look like them, so that is the primary reason why most in white majority countries are more attracted to whites.

I'm not sure how this addresses my statement.

[United Marxist Nations]

Studies tend to show that people are more attracted to people who look like them, so that is the primary reason why most in white majority countries are more attracted to whites.

I'm not sure how this addresses my statement.

You were implying that a belief that lighter skin is more attractive is racist, but it is not; it is merely an extension of ordinary attraction.

[Mavorpen]

I'm not sure how this addresses my statement.

You were implying that a belief that lighter skin is more attractive is racist, but it is not; it is merely an extension of ordinary attraction.

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

[Saruhan]

You were implying that a belief that lighter skin is more attractive is racist, but it is not; it is merely an extension of ordinary attraction.

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

I like pale skin, black people tend not to have black skin. This is not racism, this is fact.

[Mavorpen]

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

I like pale skin, black people tend not to have black skin. This is not racism, this is fact.

That's nice.

Doesn't address my post at all, but it's nice.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

While you're right, and I had a bit of trouble following what he was saying, skin pigmentation is still a physical trait that is subject to scrutiny in physical attraction.

I feel it's more of a social problem rooting back to racism, honestly.

I'm Latino, and as you know, in our culture there's all kinds of skin pigmentation. That being said, I find skin color irrelevant, I find personality and body/facial shape more reliable parameters of attraction than skin pigmentation.

For one, I'd date both of these women:

http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/vanessa-veasley.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ch2009.jpg

And they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I'd date other women with other colors of skin too, but putting an entire list of women of all skin colors and pigmentations would be a very time-consuming task, and I'm lazy.

[United Marxist Nations]

You were implying that a belief that lighter skin is more attractive is racist, but it is not; it is merely an extension of ordinary attraction.

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

In that instance, it of course is racism, but I never mentioned anything like that though. However, it is ordinary for those with light skin to be attracted to others with light skin, simply because people find those that look similarly to them more attractive.

[United Marxist Nations]

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

I like pale skin, black people tend not to have black skin. This is not racism, this is fact.

Man, that's a silly name for them then, isn't it?

[Escasia]

If it's purely based on physical attraction, that's not necessarily racist. You can't help what you're physically attracted to, and if you can't get off to anything but white women then fine. No different than a strong preference for height, hair colour or something like that.

If it's based on perceived behavioural qualities of white people compared to other ethnic groups, then it's pretty racist.

[NAROLA-II]

Not choosing something doesn't mean you hate it.

It's a good thing I never said it does.

Using your apples to oranges (to bullshit) example, if I don't like apples at all I won't "tend" to find myself eating them never. And that doesn't mean I hate or "disgust" apples.

No, it means you hate, disgust, dislike, etc. apples. Take your pick of what word to use, the general feeling remains the same.

Ok then. Enough said. Really. Try again when you have some reason, or at least learn to lie better like the kind of politicians you certainly like do. BTW, HURRRR PROGRESSIVE and HURRRRR MANGA RETARD.

[Saruhan]

I like pale skin, black people tend not to have black skin. This is not racism, this is fact.

Man, that's a name for them then, isn't it?

Wow, not that's embarrassing. Pale skin.

Idk, this whole debate between lightskin V. Darkskin in the black community seems strange to me, but it doesn't really effect those outside the community when we're talking about race issues in dating

[Mavorpen]

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

In that instance, it of course is racism, but I never mentioned anything like that though. However, it is ordinary for those with light skin to be attracted to others with light skin, simply because people find those that look similarly to them more attractive.

And again, I have never denied this, so I don't see how this in any way addresses my argument.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

You were implying that a belief that lighter skin is more attractive is racist, but it is not; it is merely an extension of ordinary attraction.

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

Well, being MORE attractive or LESS attractive is too subjective. Everyone has different standards. If someone can get off, as someone above me said, exclusively to white women that's not racist, not precisely.

However, saying X race IS UNATTRACTIVE because of the fact tha they have a skin color is subconsciously racist. Is not active racism, but it's a subtle form of it.

[United Marxist Nations]

While you're right, and I had a bit of trouble following what he was saying, skin pigmentation is still a physical trait that is subject to scrutiny in physical attraction.

I feel it's more of a social problem rooting back to racism, honestly.

I'm Latino, and as you know, in our culture there's all kinds of skin pigmentation. That being said, I find skin color irrelevant, I find personality and body/facial shape more reliable parameters of attraction than skin pigmentation.

For one, I'd date both of these women:

http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/vanessa-veasley.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ch2009.jpg

And they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I'd date other women with other colors of skin too, but putting an entire list of women of all skin colors and pigmentations would be a very time-consuming task, and I'm lazy.

I actually think the first is more attractive than the second; the complexion on the second one is a bit "off"; hard to explain what it is, but it just strikes me as a bit unattractive.

I said that it was one element, I did not say it was greater than other elements. The most important element is likely facial symmetry.

[Saruhan]

I feel it's more of a social problem rooting back to racism, honestly.

I'm Latino, and as you know, in our culture there's all kinds of skin pigmentation. That being said, I find skin color irrelevant, I find personality and body/facial shape more reliable parameters of attraction than skin pigmentation.

For one, I'd date both of these women:

http://www.yorapper.com/Photos/vanessa-veasley.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... ch2009.jpg

And they are on opposite sides of the spectrum. I'd date other women with other colors of skin too, but putting an entire list of women of all skin colors and pigmentations would be a very time-consuming task, and I'm lazy.

I actually think the first is more attractive than the second; the complexion on the second one is a bit "off"; hard to explain what it is, but it just strikes me as a bit unattractive.

I said that it was one element, I did not say it was greater than other elements. The most important element is likely facial symmetry.

Well, that and the fact that the first one is probably photoshopped to some extent

[Mavorpen]

Ok then. Enough said.

Might want to read your own post.

Using your apples to oranges (to bullshit) example, if I don't like apples at all I won't "tend" to find myself eating them never. And that doesn't mean I hate or "disgust" apples.

YOU were the one who created the hypothetical that you didn't like apples and never want to eat them.

Also, how nice of you to pretend that your failure to read is enough to refute my entire post. Here, I'll repost it for you:

In every democratic country IT IS A CRIME TO CHARGE SOMEONE OF A CRIME (like racism) WITHOUT PROOF. Then again, you seem to be one of those who rather have some "progressive" dictatorship ruling where you can accuse anyone without proof. Maybe you would like the idea of forced relationships as well, now THAT would make minorities look good, isn't it.

Uh... that's nice?

I'm not charging anyone of a crime, so I have utterly no idea what this has to do with anything I've posted.

Also, what's the point of your argument if you can make up things?

I'm not. I'm using logic, reason, and historical and scientific facts to back up my argument.

Dictionary definition. I know I haven't had a choice for many things and I wouldn't do or like them, even if I had. That's preference. You, on the other hand, have such a stronger case with your dictionary definition of preference

Why yes, yes I do have a stronger case by actually using a dictionary rather than making up the definition for the word.

I guess you are a greater racist than I'm then. If I don't pick the orange, doesn't mean I disgust them or I hate them.

Yes, that's what I JUST said. Why are you repeating shit I already said?

The way you put it, is like people who date other races just do it because they haven't any other choice, or that given the opportunity they should just be forced to do it. Both sick, you must recognize.

Yes, I recognize this, which is precisely why I haven't made this argument and why you pretending I have is a pathetic straw man.

Using your apples to oranges (to bullshit) example, if I don't like apples at all I won't "tend" to find myself eating them never. And that doesn't mean I hate or "disgust" apples.

No, it means you hate, disgust, dislike, etc. apples. Take your pick of what word to use, the general feeling remains the same.

[Parhe]

I only want to date myself.

[Mavorpen]

Except, it is. We KNOW it is. We KNOW where it comes from. Your post doesn't address this in any way, shape, or form.

Well, being MORE attractive or LESS attractive is too subjective. Everyone has different standards.

That's not what I'm talking about. I explicitly stated that the SOCIETAL basis for that concept is ground in historically racist beliefs and norms.