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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:51 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:
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New BladeSlayer Land wrote:Yep, it is. Look at Britain's violent crime rate.

Ah yes, Britain. The perfect example of why gun-control laws fail.

Source?

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html


But which has the highest number of school shootings.
Another reason why no gun control fails.

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Postby Gravlen » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:52 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:
I don't think that's true in Europe?

Yep, it is. Look at Britain's violent crime rate.

*Looks at Scandinavia*

Oops, wrong area of Europe.

*Looks at UK*

No, that doesn't support your argument. You know, since you haven't connected gun control with the violent crime rate.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:52 pm

United Dependencies wrote:
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United Dependencies wrote:[...]
Source?

Find it yourself, I ain't your busboy.
You have Google, don't you?

When has it become ok to make a claim without proof and then tell me I have to find the source to back up your statement. You make the claim the burden of proof is on you.


Why?

So the otherside can discount them as lies and biased?

That's how NSG works. One side makes a claim, the other dismisses is as false without reading it because it disagrees with what that person thinks.
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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:53 pm

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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:53 pm

But which has the highest number of school shootings.

We just have more pussy emo kids.

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Postby Fson » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:53 pm

If Americans want to buy weapons of war and keep them in their house, because it "prevents tyranny" thats fine, let them blow each other away ive witnessed first hand what happens when everybody has guns....
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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:54 pm

Really? What imaginary place was this?

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:54 pm

Weapons of war? We don't have damn LAW's and XM8's with us.

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:Really? What imaginary place was this?

Referring to who, might I ask?

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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

Fson wrote:If Americans want to buy weapons of war and keep them in their house, because it "prevents tyranny" thats fine, let them blow each other away ive witnessed first hand what happens when everybody has guns....


Did you know that your kitchen has more weapons of war than my gun safe?
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Postby Enadail » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

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Not really, as one article is from 2002, the other is an opinion article, and the last is a graph with no source.

Statistics, numbers, all this only matters as much as the source backing it up.

I did google what you asked me to... and found plenty of sites citing the UKs gun related crime rate below the US per capita. So... since I googled it and found information opposing yours, does that mean I'm right now? (and read my post above for the link to said information, which is sourced).

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Postby United Dependencies » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

Marinetus wrote:
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Yes.
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Postby UnhealthyTruthseeker » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

Gravlen wrote:*Looks at Scandinavia*

Oops, wrong area of Europe.

*Looks at UK*

No, that doesn't support your argument. You know, since you haven't connected gun control with the violent crime rate.


There's plenty of guns in Scandinavia, especially Norway, where hunting is quite popular.
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Postby Krazniastan » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

Fson wrote:If Americans want to buy weapons of war and keep them in their house, because it "prevents tyranny" thats fine, let them blow each other away ive witnessed first hand what happens when everybody has guns....


I have a house full of military grade hardware.

No fatalities so far. Guess mine are broken. . . .
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:55 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:
Brogavia wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:While I agree that we should provide people with a means to defend themselves I wonder how many people would actually be able to shoot someone if they had to.


Criminals are for the most part, chickenshits. They pick people who look like they won't fight. You pull a gun, they tend to run.

92% of the time in 1995.


What a coincidence! That's the same percentage as the percentage for statistics made up on the spot! :blink: Eerie!
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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:56 pm

EvilDarkMagicians wrote:
New BladeSlayer Land wrote:
United Dependencies wrote:
Marinetus wrote:
New BladeSlayer Land wrote:Yep, it is. Look at Britain's violent crime rate.

Ah yes, Britain. The perfect example of why gun-control laws fail.

Source?

http://www.geoffmetcalf.com/guncontrol_20010302.html


But which has the highest number of school shootings.
Another reason why no gun control fails.


I lol'd.

If there was no gun control, the students or teachers could cap the shooters before anything serious happened.

Give the people guns, educate them on safety and ethics, and everybody is a lot safer and a lot happier.
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Postby Gravlen » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:57 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Gravlen wrote:*Looks at Scandinavia*

Oops, wrong area of Europe.

*Looks at UK*

No, that doesn't support your argument. You know, since you haven't connected gun control with the violent crime rate.


There's plenty of guns in Scandinavia, especially Norway, where hunting is quite popular.

So "gun control" means "gun elimination" to you? Curious. It's differently defined in my dictionary.
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Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj wrote:There is no use arguing the definition of murder with someone who has a picture of a penguin with a chainsaw as their nations flag.

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:57 pm

United Dependencies wrote:[...]
Yes.

Well then, I'm glad I can provide assistance.

Now seriously people, it's not like some dude just walks in, buys a gun, and leaves.
Do you KNOW how much paperwork I have to go through just to sell a damn Colt Double-Action Army (Revolver)? Well, it's allot.

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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:58 pm

Marinetus wrote:
New BladeSlayer Land wrote:Really? What imaginary place was this?

Referring to who, might I ask?

The 12 year old right above my post.

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:59 pm

Oh, I see.

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Postby New BladeSlayer Land » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:59 pm

Enadail wrote:
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Not really, as one article is from 2002, the other is an opinion article, and the last is a graph with no source.

Statistics, numbers, all this only matters as much as the source backing it up.

I did google what you asked me to... and found plenty of sites citing the UKs gun related crime rate below the US per capita. So... since I googled it and found information opposing yours, does that mean I'm right now? (and read my post above for the link to said information, which is sourced).

Gun related crime, yes. Violent crime, no. The UK's violent crime rate is 8 times the US's.

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Postby Uawc » Wed Dec 23, 2009 4:59 pm

Marinetus wrote:Weapons of war? We don't have damn LAW's and XM8's with us.


I damn well wish we did, criminals would think a lot more than twice before they start anything.
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Postby Brogavia » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:00 pm

UnhealthyTruthseeker wrote:
Gravlen wrote:*Looks at Scandinavia*

Oops, wrong area of Europe.

*Looks at UK*

No, that doesn't support your argument. You know, since you haven't connected gun control with the violent crime rate.


There's plenty of guns in Scandinavia, especially Norway, where hunting is quite popular.


Don't forget Switzerland. Switzerland's gun culture rivals the American one. Huge number of fully automatic military surplus rifles in private hands. With so many full auto rifles, it must look like Somalia, right?
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Postby EvilDarkMagicians » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:00 pm

UAWC wrote:I lol'd.

If there was no gun control, the students or teachers could cap the shooters before anything serious happened.

Give the people guns, educate them on safety and ethics, and everybody is a lot safer and a lot happier.


I lol'd.

Because your just saying things on what you believe without any credible proof.

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Postby Marinetus » Wed Dec 23, 2009 5:00 pm

New BladeSlayer Land wrote:[...]
Not really, as one article is from 2002, the other is an opinion article, and the last is a graph with no source.

Statistics, numbers, all this only matters as much as the source backing it up.

I did google what you asked me to... and found plenty of sites citing the UKs gun related crime rate below the US per capita. So... since I googled it and found information opposing yours, does that mean I'm right now? (and read my post above for the link to said information, which is sourced).

Guess what? That's when the law took place.
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