US Government negotiates with Taliban

[Alien Space Bats]

No one.

So you would have ended this war without a final prisoner exchange, and left Bergdahl in enemy hands to rot?

ADDENDUM: Since we cross-posted, let me ask you again:

You say these five will almost certainly return to terrorist activity. Given that the five were:

• The former Afghan Interior Minister
  
  
• The former Afghan Deputy Chief of Intelligence
  
  
• The former Afghan Chief of Communications
  
  
• The former Afghan Army Chief of Staff
  
  
• The former Governor of Afghanistan's Balkh Province

... What terrorist acts did they commit, to which they might return?

[Alien Space Bats]

He's just playing the "I hate Obama no matter what" game. If Obama doesn't end the war peacefully, he'll complain. If Obama tries to end it peacefully, he'll complain like right now.

<nods>

Of course. Everything Obama does is wrong. Just start with that premise, and logically backfill whatever facts you need to reach that conclusion.

It's the final stage of ODS (Obama Derangement Syndrome).

[Viritica]

No one.

So you would have ended this war without a final prisoner exchange, and left Bergdahl in enemy hands to rot?

ADDENDUM: Since we cross-posted, let me ask you again:

You say these five will almost certainly return to terrorist activity. Given that the five were:

• The former Afghan Interior Minister
  
  
• The former Afghan Deputy Chief of Intelligence
  
  
• The former Afghan Chief of Communications
  
  
• The former Afghan Army Chief of Staff
  
  
• The former Governor of Afghanistan's Balkh Province

... What terrorist acts did they commit, to which they might return?

Do you have a source on that?

[Viritica]

So you would rather abandon an American and piss off the Taliban even more?

He's just playing the "I hate Obama no matter what" game. If Obama doesn't end the war peacefully, he'll complain. If Obama tries to end it peacefully, he'll complain like right now.

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that Obama can never do anything wrong. That any complaints leveled against him are merely that of racist ebul fascist Republicans.

[Ashmoria]

He's just playing the "I hate Obama no matter what" game. If Obama doesn't end the war peacefully, he'll complain. If Obama tries to end it peacefully, he'll complain like right now.

Oh, I'm sorry I forgot that Obama can never do anything wrong. That any complaints leveled against him are merely that of racist ebul fascist Republicans.

well no but it is hard to imagine that had sgt bergdahl died in captivity that you wouldn't be part of the chorus blaming the president for not doing everything possible to get him home.

I suppose it frees up the president to do as he pleases when he knows that no matter what he does the opposition will say its wrong. so he does what he thinks is right because there is no downside to doing it.

[Alien Space Bats]

You say these five will almost certainly return to terrorist activity. Given that the five were:

• The former Afghan Interior Minister
  
  
• The former Afghan Deputy Chief of Intelligence
  
  
• The former Afghan Chief of Communications
  
  
• The former Afghan Army Chief of Staff
  
  
• The former Governor of Afghanistan's Balkh Province

... What terrorist acts did they commit, to which they might return?

Do you have a source on that?

Do I have a biographical source on who the detainees were and what roles they played under the former Taliban government?

I do, but I'll let you pick the one YOU want. Google "Who are the five Taliban detainees returned in exchange for Bergdahl" and pick whatever news outlet you want; I'm sure you can find several different biographical sources on just the first page of hits alone.

[Viritica]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

[Getrektistan]

So you would have ended this war without a final prisoner exchange, and left Bergdahl in enemy hands to rot?

ADDENDUM: Since we cross-posted, let me ask you again:

Do you have a source on that?

NBC lists the prisoners' names here.

Here's information on each one.

[Alien Space Bats]

Oh, I'm sorry. I forgot that Obama can never do anything wrong. That any complaints leveled against him are merely that of racist ebul fascist Republicans.

Between black and white there are a million shades of gray.

[Alien Space Bats]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

Now I'm going to ask YOU for a source. Link?

[Ashmoria]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

try this http://www.closeguantanamo.org/Prisoners

[Viritica]

Do you have a source on that?

Do I have a biographical source on who the detainees were and what roles they played under the former Taliban government?

I do, but I'll let you pick the one YOU want. Google "Who are the five Taliban detainees returned in exchange for Bergdahl" and pick whatever news outlet you want; I'm sure you can find several different biographical sources on just the first page of hits alone.

I have. Multiple fucking times. Nothing shows them filling any of the positions you listed. Now, the burden of proof here doesn't really fall upon me but I was still nice enough to Google it anyway.

[Getrektistan]

Do I have a biographical source on who the detainees were and what roles they played under the former Taliban government?

I do, but I'll let you pick the one YOU want. Google "Who are the five Taliban detainees returned in exchange for Bergdahl" and pick whatever news outlet you want; I'm sure you can find several different biographical sources on just the first page of hits alone.

I have. Multiple fucking times. Nothing shows them filling any of the positions you listed. Now, the burden of proof here doesn't really fall upon me but I was still nice enough to Google it anyway.

Do you have a source on that?

NBC lists the prisoners' names here.

Here's information on each one.

[United States of Devonta]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

The information I gave you was wrong, On CNN yesterday they said 15 prisoners and 1 million USD. They got five and no money(As far as we know)

[Ashmoria]

Do I have a biographical source on who the detainees were and what roles they played under the former Taliban government?

I do, but I'll let you pick the one YOU want. Google "Who are the five Taliban detainees returned in exchange for Bergdahl" and pick whatever news outlet you want; I'm sure you can find several different biographical sources on just the first page of hits alone.

I have. Multiple fucking times. Nothing shows them filling any of the positions you listed. Now, the burden of proof here doesn't really fall upon me but I was still nice enough to Google it anyway.

what positions did you find them listed as holding. I don't remember the exact titles from when I looked it up but they were at least similar to the ones that asb gave

[Cyyro]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

The information I gave you was wrong, On CNN yesterday they said 15 prisoners and 1 million USD. They got five and no money(As far as we know)

Not that 1 Million USD is that much.

[United States of Devonta]

The information I gave you was wrong, On CNN yesterday they said 15 prisoners and 1 million USD. They got five and no money(As far as we know)

Not that 1 Million USD is that much.

Copy the bills, Although its hard.

[Getrektistan]

The information I gave you was wrong, On CNN yesterday they said 15 prisoners and 1 million USD. They got five and no money(As far as we know)

Not that 1 Million USD is that much.

But holy shit, can you imagine the bad press the administration would get?

[Viritica]

I have. Multiple fucking times. Nothing shows them filling any of the positions you listed. Now, the burden of proof here doesn't really fall upon me but I was still nice enough to Google it anyway.

what positions did you find them listed as holding. I don't remember the exact titles from when I looked it up but they were at least similar to the ones that asb gave

They held the positions Alien Space Bats listed.

However, they were 'high risk' for launching terror attacks against the US if released.

But of course these are just the ramblings of someone who will viciously attack anything Obama does and not at all legitimate concerns.

[Viritica]

Furthermore, didn't the Taliban originally request 20 prisoners in exchange for Bergdahl? If there are allegedly only 20 Taliban prisoners left in Gitmo then who were the other 15 they wanted?

The information I gave you was wrong, On CNN yesterday they said 15 prisoners and 1 million USD. They got five and no money(As far as we know)

Okay. So who were the other 10 guys?

[Ashmoria]

what positions did you find them listed as holding. I don't remember the exact titles from when I looked it up but they were at least similar to the ones that asb gave

They held the positions Alien Space Bats listed.

However, they were 'high risk' for launching terror attacks against the US if released.

But of course these are just the ramblings of someone who will viciously attack anything Obama does and not at all legitimate concerns.

ya know.....they have been out of it for a dozen years. what terror attacks could they do that a guy who has been active for a dozen years wouldn't already have thought of and have the connections to get done? nn
and you know 2008 was still bush times. they had an incentive to allege that guys like this were "the worst of the worst"

you know who was the worst of the worst...hussiens sons, ouday and qusay. those guys needed to be taken out!

[Viritica]

They held the positions Alien Space Bats listed.

However, they were 'high risk' for launching terror attacks against the US if released.

But of course these are just the ramblings of someone who will viciously attack anything Obama does and not at all legitimate concerns.

ya know.....they have been out of it for a dozen years. what terror attacks could they do that a guy who has been active for a dozen years wouldn't already have thought of and have the connections to get done?

That's a terrible argument.

"Other people already commit terror attacks. Why not just release these guys so they can join in?"

[Ashmoria]

ya know.....they have been out of it for a dozen years. what terror attacks could they do that a guy who has been active for a dozen years wouldn't already have thought of and have the connections to get done?

That's a terrible argument.

"Other people already commit terror attacks. Why not just release these guys so they can join in?"

no it isn't. they are only relevant if they can do stuff that the current guys cant do or wont think of.

[SektorE]

I still belive that governments shouldn't negotiate with terrorists no matter what.

[The Tiger Kingdom]

I still belive that governments shouldn't negotiate with terrorists no matter what.

That's...not really a strategy that has a great history of working.
It sounds sexy as hell, I'll admit, but facts are facts.