US Government negotiates with Taliban

[United States of Devonta]

And?

So fucking what? It doesn't make them not terrorists, especially given that they included Al Qaeda.

We aided terrorists, because we (in my view, erroneously) believed them to be less unpalatable than the USSR.

The Taliban aids terrorists, because they believe the terrorists to be more agreeable than the USA.

Yes, the USA's government is VASTLY preferable to the Taliban, at least by our own standards, but the Taliban obviously disagrees, and the action isn't really that different.

1) Al Qaeda didn't exist back then.
2) The USSR was trying to add Afghanistan to it's empire. The Mujaheddin at the time was not the international terrorist organization that it would become, but a group committed to haling the imperialistic ambitions of the archenemy of the United States. In retrospect, iding them was probably a mistake, but Reagan couldn't have known what his temporary allies would evolve into.

2) Oh so Reagan did not now he was funding anti-communist death squads in Nicaragua? Also we had CIA on the ground they probably new what the Taliban where up too... He supported them anyways.

[Pilotto]

Now we should finish it, kill every last one of them, kill them wherever they hide burn them out of their fucking holes and caves.

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

[Juggalo land]

Now we should finish it, kill every last one of them, kill them wherever they hide burn them out of their fucking holes and caves.

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

But those we would be genocideing (the fucking Taliban) also call for the death of all Jews christian pretty much anyone whose not Muslim or is from the west.

[Kelinfort]

And?

So fucking what? It doesn't make them not terrorists, especially given that they included Al Qaeda.

We aided terrorists, because we (in my view, erroneously) believed them to be less unpalatable than the USSR.

The Taliban aids terrorists, because they believe the terrorists to be more agreeable than the USA.

Yes, the USA's government is VASTLY preferable to the Taliban, at least by our own standards, but the Taliban obviously disagrees, and the action isn't really that different.

1) Al Qaeda didn't exist back then.
2) The USSR was trying to add Afghanistan to it's empire. The Mujaheddin at the time was not the international terrorist organization that it would become, but a group committed to haling the imperialistic ambitions of the archenemy of the United States. In retrospect, aiding them was probably a mistake, but Reagan couldn't have known what his temporary allies would evolve into.

He had previous historical examples, not to mention, the USSr was trying to preserve their Kabul government...remind you of anyone?

[Pilotto]

Now we should finish it, kill every last one of them, kill them wherever they hide burn them out of their fucking holes and caves.

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against the United States sure is.

[Juggalo land]

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

Yes it is I cant see why someone would be against use destroying them.

[Liriena]

I don't know nearly enough about this man's particular case to have a strong opinion on his merits as a soldier. That being said, I don't know how to feel about 5 Taliban leaders being released, rather than actually getting the trial and conviction they deserve.

I'm just going to sit back and watch the liberals defend this.

Sorry for not living up to your stereotypes.

[MERIZoC]

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against the United States sure is.

Or we just wait for them to die so no more of them pop up….

[Getrektistan]

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

And the Taliban isn't a terrorist organization. They're fundamentalist and they have a history of harboring terrorists, but they're distinct.

[Kelinfort]

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

But those we would be genocideing (the fucking Taliban) also call for the death of all Jews christian pretty much anyone whose not Muslim or is from the west.

Al Qaeda=/= Taliban. They only want to reestablish their control of the nation. Now, yes, they are hateful and conservative, but the government in Kabul has popular support and control. There is no reason to waste even more money on an underdeveloped country with little use for the US.

[Antarticaria]

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

Yes it is I cant see why someone would be against use destroying them.

My business is killin and business is good.

btw, whoop whoop!

[United States of Devonta]

You obviously are not a true Juggalo... Jealous that the Taliban can sell more people then you, Kill more dope then you, and get way more bitches then you? Osama had a ton!

No I am a true Juggalo I dont see why you would think im fake based on wanting to have terrorist killed.

Your not as bad as the Taliban by far but...Your gang or messed up "family" is too. Talking about killing terrorist who probably do some of the same shit you guys do just on a larger scale.

[Qeno]

no no no no no no no no no!
ANY soldier would prefer to be tortured rather than have five ENEMY COMMANDERS (of all the people, COMMANDERS?) released in exchange for them.
why?

I take it that you would rather leave one of our brave troops behind in the hands of the Taliban? Tsk, is this modern patriotism?

I guess so!

But I'd rather make the exchange if not smack the mission planners for not getting the soldier back, This is our fellow countryman so to speak and we should do whatever to get him him/her? back

[Kelinfort]

Genocide isn't fun, kids. That's destructive and pointless as well.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against the United States sure is.

Taliban=/= Al Qaeda.

[Juggalo land]

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

Soooo we should just give them whatever they want then lest they BE OFFENDED OR ANGRY AT US!!!!

[The Batorys]

Again, the Taliban are a deposed government. Not a terrorist group. They seek to control the country of Afghanistan, as its state.

You mean the organization responsible for 76% of civilian casualties in that nation, and has a laundry list of actions such as poisoning wells so to poison young school girls, so that they cannot receive education?

Fine, they are a government then, just a few points south of the moral equivalent Nazi Germany and deserving of exactly the same treatment.

Just because they are a government doesn't mean they are wonderful and fair. Otherwise, we wouldn't be at war with them.

And yes, I would say they are better than Nazis, though still incredibly evil. Since you bring up the Nazis, I think it's worth noting that at no point did we call them terrorists, or treat them as anything but an enemy government.

Governments have killed tons of civilians, too. We killed thousands upon thousands in WWII, and in Vietnam. And we're mostly the good guys. The Khmer Rouge in Cambodia killed three million... out of a population of only seven million. But they were a government. Saudi Arabia treats women like dogshit, stones people to death, and cuts off people's hands for stealing (in addition to tons of other abuses). Yet they are a government, and our ally. North Korea keeps thousands and thousands in prison camps, often for supposed crimes (like speaking out against the government) or their parents or even grandparents. They are a government.

If we extend the term "terrorist" to mean anyone we don't like on the basis of their immoral actions and killing innocents, the term loses its meaning. And if we do so, and then refuse to negotiate with anyone we're using that term for, how are we to ever negotiate with our enemies in wartime?

While negotiation might sound like something that isn't relevant to waging war, in reality it's quite necessary, both to eventually bring an end to any conflict (any surrender is the result of negotiation, even if it's supposedly unconditional), or to try to keep the conflict within certain limits.

[Juggalo land]

No I am a true Juggalo I dont see why you would think im fake based on wanting to have terrorist killed.

Your not as bad as the Taliban by far but...Your gang or messed up "family" is too. Talking about killing terrorist who probably do some of the same shit you guys do just on a larger scale.

Were not a fucking gang get over yourself, and yea some of our fam talks about killing people mostly because of people like you who hate on our fucking family.

[Antarticaria]

No I am a true Juggalo I dont see why you would think im fake based on wanting to have terrorist killed.

Your not as bad as the Taliban by far but...Your gang or messed up "family" is too. Talking about killing terrorist who probably do some of the same shit you guys do just on a larger scale.

I didnt know terrorists party and paint there face and play extremely loud and sometimes out of key music. And I dont see juggalos shooting buses full of school girls. Now stay on topic is a good idea bud.

[Juggalo land]

Your not as bad as the Taliban by far but...Your gang or messed up "family" is too. Talking about killing terrorist who probably do some of the same shit you guys do just on a larger scale.

I didnt know terrorists party and paint there face and play extremely loud and sometimes out of key music. And I dont see juggalos shooting buses full of school girls. Now stay on topic is a good idea bud.

Other than our music being off key I agree with ya MCL.

[Getrektistan]

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

Soooo we should just give them whatever they want then lest they BE OFFENDED OR ANGRY AT US!!!!

No, we shouldn't give them whatever they want, but that doesn't mean we have to be a bunch of ignorant, violent invaders. When people get angry at us, they fly planes into our buildings, so avoiding that is a pretty good idea.

[Pilotto]

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against us is.

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

Your right. We should ask the terrorists nicely to stop waging eternal war against the US.

No, but killing the terrorists that have sworn eternal Jihad against the United States sure is.

Taliban=/= Al Qaeda.

At this point, they're joined at the hip.

[Juggalo land]

Soooo we should just give them whatever they want then lest they BE OFFENDED OR ANGRY AT US!!!!

No, we shouldn't give them whatever they want, but that doesn't mean we have to be a bunch of ignorant, violent invaders. When people get angry at us, they fly planes into our buildings, so avoiding that is a pretty good idea.

Even if they crash the plane into our buildings just because of our religion what then make all religion illegal in America to keep the Taliban happy or make us all convert to Islam?

[Kelinfort]

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

Your right. We should ask the terrorists nicely to stop waging eternal war against the US.

Taliban=/= Al Qaeda.

At this point, they're joined at the hip.

Not really. Al Qaeda is much more dangerous and expansive, the Taliban only seeks to control Afghanistan. The Taliban are only active in Afghanistan.

[Getrektistan]

No, it's not. Not only is killing people not fun at all, but it would be completely pointless as well since that would only serve to hurt us and destabilize Afghanistan further. Ham-fisted violent foreign policy doesn't work.

Your right. We should ask the terrorists nicely to stop waging eternal war against the US.

Eternal war? It's only been a couple of decades. The only reason they have as much support as they do (which is not very much) is because the United States uses violent rhetoric unnecessarily.

[United States of Devonta]

Your not as bad as the Taliban by far but...Your gang or messed up "family" is too. Talking about killing terrorist who probably do some of the same shit you guys do just on a larger scale.

Were not a fucking gang get over yourself, and yea some of our fam talks about killing people mostly because of people like you who hate on our fucking family.

Exactly, Messed up "family". You really think there going to be by your side when your dead or in a jail cell? No! They our probably the ones who snitched you out. "Family" my ass. Sorry guys for thread jacking.