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Postby San Isicio » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:00 pm

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Ardoki wrote:Curing me would be just like killing me. I would literally be a different person, I would think differently, view the world differently, in fact, it would be like I was another person.

This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.


Only problem is that it doesn't work like that. Like I said above, it isn't the same like 'illnesses' such as cancer.

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Postby KASSRD » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:01 pm

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Ardoki wrote:Curing me would be just like killing me. I would literally be a different person, I would think differently, view the world differently, in fact, it would be like I was another person.

This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

NO NO NO, we would not be even close to the same person! Everything about us would change! What if we gave you something to turn you autistic? You would be completely diferent.

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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:01 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Curing me would be just like killing me. I would literally be a different person, I would think differently, view the world differently, in fact, it would be like I was another person.

This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

How dare you want to kill us. I can't believe that you find something as sick as murder, hilarious.

I strongly dislike you.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:02 pm

San Isicio wrote:
KASSRD wrote:I would. Not physical death, but the part of m that was me would die. Nothing about me would be the same.


Totally agreed. People shouln't make the mistake that it isn't an illness like cancer. It's literally part of us.


Ok, tell me this, as a high functioning autistic person who can express whether you want a hypothetical cure or not, do you think low functioning autistic people should be subjected to the condition because it's a part of them or should they be given the chance at a cure?
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

The Batorys wrote:
Ardoki wrote:Curing me would be just like killing me. I would literally be a different person, I would think differently, view the world differently, in fact, it would be like I was another person.

This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

Stop it now. The next personal comment about Ardoki earns you a day off.

Ardoki, let it go.
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Postby KASSRD » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Isicio wrote:
Totally agreed. People shouln't make the mistake that it isn't an illness like cancer. It's literally part of us.


Ok, tell me this, as a high functioning autistic person who can express whether you want a hypothetical cure or not, do you think low functioning autistic people should be subjected to the condition because it's a part of them or should they be given the chance at a cure?

The person should make the decision. In the event that's not possible, then their parent or caregiver.

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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

KASSRD wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I wouldn't equate the change you would undergo with death, but I understand the misgivings. It would change that to which you're already accustomed to and don't seem to have an objection to.

I would. Not physical death, but the part of m that was me would die. Nothing about me would be the same.


That's not true. You'd still have the same memories, and they would continue to have a large influence in your life. As someone who had a mental illness and got it cured, it does change you and make your life different, but it doesn't change everything.
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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

KASSRD wrote:
The Batorys wrote:This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

NO NO NO, we would not be even close to the same person! Everything about us would change! What if we gave you something to turn you autistic? You would be completely diferent.

Why would you give me a disorder? That makes no sense.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:04 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The Batorys wrote:This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

How dare you want to kill us. I can't believe that you find something as sick as murder, hilarious.

I strongly dislike you.


I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.
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Postby San Isicio » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:05 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Isicio wrote:
Totally agreed. People shouln't make the mistake that it isn't an illness like cancer. It's literally part of us.


Ok, tell me this, as a high functioning autistic person who can express whether you want a hypothetical cure or not, do you think low functioning autistic people should be subjected to the condition because it's a part of them or should they be given the chance at a cure?

I personally wouln't take the risk to try to cure it, since we wouln't know WHAT the effects would be.

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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:05 pm

Ardoki wrote:
The Batorys wrote:This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

How dare you want to kill us. I can't believe that you find something as sick as murder, hilarious.

I strongly dislike you.

I find idiocy that equates being cured of a disorder with murder to be hilarious.

And I strongly dislike people who put their own feelings of being a special snowflake ahead of the very real suffering of others.
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Postby KASSRD » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:05 pm

The Batorys wrote:
KASSRD wrote:NO NO NO, we would not be even close to the same person! Everything about us would change! What if we gave you something to turn you autistic? You would be completely diferent.

Why would you give me a disorder? That makes no sense.

Exactly. And why would you make us Neurotypical?

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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:06 pm

KASSRD wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ok, tell me this, as a high functioning autistic person who can express whether you want a hypothetical cure or not, do you think low functioning autistic people should be subjected to the condition because it's a part of them or should they be given the chance at a cure?

The person should make the decision. In the event that's not possible, then their parent or caregiver.


This, pretty much. It may seem stupid or illogical to us for someone to refuse the treatment, but it is their right as a human being. They do have their right to bodily sovereignty, and that extends to their mental faculties.
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Postby KASSRD » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:06 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ardoki wrote:How dare you want to kill us. I can't believe that you find something as sick as murder, hilarious.

I strongly dislike you.


I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.

So you think I and the others are lying?

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:06 pm

San Isicio wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ok, tell me this, as a high functioning autistic person who can express whether you want a hypothetical cure or not, do you think low functioning autistic people should be subjected to the condition because it's a part of them or should they be given the chance at a cure?

I personally wouln't take the risk to try to cure it, since we wouln't know WHAT the effects would be.


Ok, but what about low functioning autistic people? Should they follow suit or do you think they have a right to a cure if there was one?
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:07 pm

KASSRD wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.

So you think I and the others are lying?


You? No. Him, I wonder.
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Postby Ardoki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:07 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ardoki wrote:How dare you want to kill us. I can't believe that you find something as sick as murder, hilarious.

I strongly dislike you.


I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.

How dare you. I have to go to school right now, but I shall respond this afternoon AEST. I have been diagnose with Aspergers (when I was 9), no person with Aspergers is the same (especially when people like me also have other disorders), so you can't say that they all act the same.

It is obvious that you are jealous of me and hate me for some reason, however I shall properly respond to your lies and horrible accusations this afternoon, AEST.
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Postby San Isicio » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:07 pm

Anyhow, misreading a very important subject, I think people with autism should make the choice whether they want to be 'cured' or not, although I don't think even a majority of the people with autism would want to be cured since it's practically altering a part of their life.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:08 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.

How dare you. I have to go to school right now, but I shall respond this afternoon AEST. I have been diagnose with Aspergers (when I was 9), no person with Aspergers is the same (especially when people like me also have other disorders), so you can't say that they all act the same.

It is obvious that you are jealous of me and hate me for some reason, however I shall properly respond to your lies and horrible accusations this afternoon, AEST.


I rest my case.
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:08 pm

Ardoki wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
I strongly think that when you say you're autistic and then react this dramatic way in a thread, that you're lying and using the autistic card to be dramatic. I honestly think that, judging by your reactions and comparing it with those of other ASD posters in this very thread.

How dare you. I have to go to school right now, but I shall respond this afternoon AEST. I have been diagnose with Aspergers (when I was 9), no person with Aspergers is the same (especially when people like me also have other disorders), so you can't say that they all act the same.

It is obvious that you are jealous of me and hate me for some reason, however I shall properly respond to your lies and horrible accusations this afternoon, AEST.


Dude, calm down.
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Postby The Batorys » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:08 pm

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The Batorys wrote:This is why I think it would be hilarious to cure you.

Because you'd be basically the same person, but you would realize how idiotic all this whining about how everyone wanted to kill you sounded.

Stop it now. The next personal comment about Ardoki earns you a day off.

Ardoki, let it go.

I didn't see this until after my last reply.

Is it a bannable offense, now, to say that someone's argument is idiotic? And to point out that they are prioritizing themselves over the suffering of many others?
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Postby Len Hyet » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:09 pm

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Farnhamia wrote:Stop it now. The next personal comment about Ardoki earns you a day off.

Ardoki, let it go.

I didn't see this until after my last reply.

Is it a bannable offense, now, to say that someone's argument is idiotic? And to point out that they are prioritizing themselves over the suffering of many others?

It is a bannable offense to resort to ad hominem attacks. That's called flaming.
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Postby San Isicio » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:09 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
San Isicio wrote:I personally wouln't take the risk to try to cure it, since we wouln't know WHAT the effects would be.


Ok, but what about low functioning autistic people? Should they follow suit or do you think they have a right to a cure if there was one?

I was talking about the low functioning autistic people, sorry if I miswrote that in my last reply to you.

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Postby Betoni » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:09 pm

I provide care for mentally retarded, or intellectually disabled people, depending on where you are on the euphemistic treadmill, for living. Some of them are autistic. Now, I would identify these people first as intellectually disabled rather than autistic. The fact is, that we really don't know much at all about autism. We don't know what causes it, we don't know why there are such huge variations in the degree of the severity of the symptoms, we don't know what causes that variation. I think that is the reason for the whole spectrum idea. If we knew more about it, we would not lump HFA, MFA and LFA together. In fact, those terms are disputed as it is. We don't know if the cause for low IQ (that is essentially what lower functioning means) in autistic people is the same as the cause for other autistic symptoms. The best we can do is provide these people with some semblance of a worthy life. A low functioning autist can be violent and harmful to, not only to themselves, but to those around them. They do not perceive time as normal people do, they need structure and constant reminding of that structure in their life. If we are considering a hypothetical that removes all autistic features from these people, even if the intellectual disability remains, I'd say go for it. Not only does it make their own life easier it eases on the burden of those who care for them, or for other reasons have to endure them.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Tue Jun 03, 2014 2:10 pm

San Isicio wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Ok, but what about low functioning autistic people? Should they follow suit or do you think they have a right to a cure if there was one?

I was talking about the low functioning autistic people, sorry if I miswrote that in my last reply to you.


Ok. Then we're on the same page.
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