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security guard beats student in wheelchair (trigger warning)
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Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:21 pmPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:22 pmPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:24 pmThere isn't much stimulating substance to this post besides the "trigger warning" part. It's just a normal Dog-bites-Man story. "School Official does bad thing." Not much here.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:26 pmThen there is no reason to post rather then post about something completely off topic. If there is no discussion then the thread will simply move from the first pages and be forgotten. All the posts about trigger warning is doing is keeping the topic on the first few pages.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:27 pmPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:30 pmNeutraligon wrote:Llamalandia wrote:
Uh no they don't have to agree to it. If you refuse to leave the hospital, they may let you stay for a few minutes or a few hours but at some point they're either going to put you in a chair and wheel you outside, or if fight them they'll call security and have them force in you a chair and wheel you out. Either way you're leaving the hospital in a wheel chair if that's what they so mandate. You don't get a choice.
Thus it was fine what the guard did up until he violently reacted to martinez who (inappropriately tried to slap his hand away.)
Still like I said you cant just handcuff the kid, especially given that he really couldn't stop the guard from wheeling him anywhere. I mean, if the kid tries to slap you fine, report it to his teacher to write up when you get him to class, but handcuffing and beating him was clearly not just wrong but felonious.
Ye they have to agree to it. They may force you to leave at some point, but that is normally when security has been called, at which point it is a very different scenario. More then that there is a difference between the situation mentioned above, and the situation in the school. Again you are not allowed to grab the kid and drag them to the classroom. Similarly you should not be allowed to grab a wheelchair and push the kid to the classroom. Both are a form of assault. The only time an officer should be allowed to gab a kid in school is if the student is a danger to others, or deliberately disobeying orders, and in the case of the second, that is still questionable.
Yeah, and in that case security could force your ass down into a wheel chair and if necessary cuff you to it and wheel you out. Plus you are allowed to grab a kid and drag them into class, happened once or twice at my school, though given it was private they generally can get away with it under the doctrine of "private schools doing whatever the hell they want anyway".
No you can drag non-disabled kids to class, thus you should be able to drag (or rather aprropriately wheel in this case) a disabled student to class.
Though I should point out that the student (martinez) alleges that the guard had beaten earlier off camera on the elevator ride to the 2nd? floor, so this was before? the kid even objected to being wheeled to class. If that's the case then this is even worse and the guard is arguably a slightly worse person as he wouldn't have even been reacting to a slight provocation.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:31 pmBecause for the vast majority of threads and indeed posters, it serves no useful function. whilst giving the impression that threads which don't have the label are kosher when in fact, emotional distress is subjective and its not really for the OP to say what is, and is not distressing.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:32 pmBecause it may ultimately have a chilling effect on free speech. How long before we have a policy of "mods must preaprrove OP's with trigger warnings" rule?
But really as interesting as this is to discuss I think a new thread for it would be the more appropriate venue, plus I think there's already a discussion thread of trigger warnings not too far back.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:33 pmLlamalandia wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Ye they have to agree to it. They may force you to leave at some point, but that is normally when security has been called, at which point it is a very different scenario. More then that there is a difference between the situation mentioned above, and the situation in the school. Again you are not allowed to grab the kid and drag them to the classroom. Similarly you should not be allowed to grab a wheelchair and push the kid to the classroom. Both are a form of assault. The only time an officer should be allowed to gab a kid in school is if the student is a danger to others, or deliberately disobeying orders, and in the case of the second, that is still questionable.
Yeah, and in that case security could force your ass down into a wheel chair and if necessary cuff you to it and wheel you out. Plus you are allowed to grab a kid and drag them into class, happened once or twice at my school, though given it was private they generally can get away with it under the doctrine of "private schools doing whatever the hell they want anyway".
No you can drag non-disabled kids to class, thus you should be able to drag (or rather aprropriately wheel in this case) a disabled student to class.
Though I should point out that the student (martinez) alleges that the guard had beaten earlier off camera on the elevator ride to the 2nd? floor, so this was before? the kid even objected to being wheeled to class. If that's the case then this is even worse and the guard is arguably a slightly worse person as he wouldn't have even been reacting to a slight provocation.
I have never seen a student dragged in any of my schools. Once the security has arrived again different scenario. Personally any guard that touched me in hat manner would be sued. If that happened in your school, and no one complained about it, then that is a problem at your school.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:34 pm"Hmm, California." - Cleveland Brown
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:34 pmLlamalandia wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
Ye they have to agree to it. They may force you to leave at some point, but that is normally when security has been called, at which point it is a very different scenario. More then that there is a difference between the situation mentioned above, and the situation in the school. Again you are not allowed to grab the kid and drag them to the classroom. Similarly you should not be allowed to grab a wheelchair and push the kid to the classroom. Both are a form of assault. The only time an officer should be allowed to gab a kid in school is if the student is a danger to others, or deliberately disobeying orders, and in the case of the second, that is still questionable.
Yeah, and in that case security could force your ass down into a wheel chair and if necessary cuff you to it and wheel you out. Plus you are allowed to grab a kid and drag them into class, happened once or twice at my school, though given it was private they generally can get away with it under the doctrine of "private schools doing whatever the hell they want anyway".
No you can drag non-disabled kids to class, thus you should be able to drag (or rather aprropriately wheel in this case) a disabled student to class.
"Once or twice" is not an excuse. I don't know what school you go to, but it sounds like another one of the failing schools you gave us as an example. The guard's reaction was very disproportional. The guard could have contacted the school administration to have a talk with the student and use disciplinary action if necessary.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:38 pmNeutraligon wrote:Llamalandia wrote:
Yeah, and in that case security could force your ass down into a wheel chair and if necessary cuff you to it and wheel you out. Plus you are allowed to grab a kid and drag them into class, happened once or twice at my school, though given it was private they generally can get away with it under the doctrine of "private schools doing whatever the hell they want anyway".
No you can drag non-disabled kids to class, thus you should be able to drag (or rather aprropriately wheel in this case) a disabled student to class.
Though I should point out that the student (martinez) alleges that the guard had beaten earlier off camera on the elevator ride to the 2nd? floor, so this was before? the kid even objected to being wheeled to class. If that's the case then this is even worse and the guard is arguably a slightly worse person as he wouldn't have even been reacting to a slight provocation.
I have never seen a student dragged in any of my schools. Once the security has arrived again different scenario. Personally any guard that touched me in hat manner would be sued. If that happened in your school, and no one complained about it, then that is a problem at your school.
Well, no complained because of course had they done so, they would have been expelled, and it is a very good school.
But again, this was very rare, heck most the time they didn't really care, i even had some teachers who were like, well if you don't come to class I don't care I mean it's your life and your education/grades that are at stake. So most the time everyone was pretty laid back and laissez-faire about the whole thing.
Your reaction to a hypothetical to lawyer up is telling though, and an indication of the problem with our overly litigious society.
I hope if the kid does try to sue the school/district that they slap him with sovereign immunity and send him packing. Of course I'm sure he has a much better case against the guard himself, who obviously acted way beyond the scope of official duties and will rightly be sued to oblivion, though given how young he is I doubt the victim in this case will get much unfortunately.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:41 pmGeilinor wrote:Llamalandia wrote:
Yeah, and in that case security could force your ass down into a wheel chair and if necessary cuff you to it and wheel you out. Plus you are allowed to grab a kid and drag them into class, happened once or twice at my school, though given it was private they generally can get away with it under the doctrine of "private schools doing whatever the hell they want anyway".
No you can drag non-disabled kids to class, thus you should be able to drag (or rather aprropriately wheel in this case) a disabled student to class.
"Once or twice" is not an excuse. I don't know what school you go to, but it sounds like another one of the failing schools you gave us as an example. The guard's reaction was very disproportional. The guard could have contacted the school administration to have a talk with the student and use disciplinary action if necessary.
Qutie the opposite, in fact 99% college attendance rate, millions of dollars in merit scholarship offers for a graduating class of around 70. Lots of APs both optional and required etc etc. So hardly. Plus there's very little professional admin and of course no security guards or resource officers, there's basically just a Headmaster dean, and couple front office secretaries.
On the rare occasions I recall it was a teacher (i believe the spanish teacher) who grabbed a freshmen by the shirt and pulled him into literally into class. Again rare, not unjustified though.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:41 pmLlamalandia wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
I have never seen a student dragged in any of my schools. Once the security has arrived again different scenario. Personally any guard that touched me in hat manner would be sued. If that happened in your school, and no one complained about it, then that is a problem at your school.
Well, no complained because of course had they done so, they would have been expelled, and it is a very good school.
> Says "it is a very good school".
> Says "students get expelled for protesting violence".
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:43 pmIt can be good at teaching but still expel students for protesting violence
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:43 pmGood academically. Plus that's only in the hypothetical that anyone ever would protest no one ever did. Plus like I said, this was rare, and no one was ever slapped or hit or anything like that.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:44 pmjust beat the security guard and put the kid down.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:44 pmHeco wrote:just beat the security guard and put the kid down.
What the fuck?
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:46 pmPosted: Sat May 31, 2014 3:51 pmOk but what mistyping would logically explain "put the kid down." ?! I mean seriously, you can tell what i'm saying if I type "ths mks n snse" without much difficulty, but really put the kid down how does that make any logical sense. Heck even if he was saying put the guard down, that doesn't make much sense either, I mean one generally doesn't get the death penalty for assault after all.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:23 pmI've been reading some of the responses about *gasp* trigger warning.
PTSD is serious. If it saved one person from a flashback, then I don't really care how many of you were annoyed by it.
I have never experienced PTSD, my first thoughts when someone mentions a mental illness that I have not known is to generally roll my eyes, however, after becoming slightly less ignorant and more aware, I don't see the harm in announcing a potential trigger warning with a few more words of text. If that seriously bothers you, please, get a life.
PTSD is serious. If it saved one person from a flashback, then I don't really care how many of you were annoyed by it.
I have never experienced PTSD, my first thoughts when someone mentions a mental illness that I have not known is to generally roll my eyes, however, after becoming slightly less ignorant and more aware, I don't see the harm in announcing a potential trigger warning with a few more words of text. If that seriously bothers you, please, get a life.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:26 pmThe divided wrote:I've been reading some of the responses about *gasp* trigger warning.
PTSD is serious. If it saved one person from a flashback, then I don't really care how many of you were annoyed by it.
I have never experienced PTSD, my first thoughts when someone mentions a mental illness that I have not known is to generally roll my eyes, however, after becoming slightly less ignorant and more aware, I don't see the harm in announcing a potential trigger warning with a few more words of text. If that seriously bothers you, please, get a life.
I think "Security guard beats student in wheelchair" is enough of a warning of the content as it is.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:27 pmMurkwood wrote:The divided wrote:I've been reading some of the responses about *gasp* trigger warning.
PTSD is serious. If it saved one person from a flashback, then I don't really care how many of you were annoyed by it.
I have never experienced PTSD, my first thoughts when someone mentions a mental illness that I have not known is to generally roll my eyes, however, after becoming slightly less ignorant and more aware, I don't see the harm in announcing a potential trigger warning with a few more words of text. If that seriously bothers you, please, get a life.
I think "Security guard beats student in wheelchair" is enough of a warning of the content as it is.
better safe than sorry
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:28 pmIt disgusts me when people would even have the slightest idea of hurting someone who is totally unable to defend themselves.
Now, someone who's job is to protect said people? There's no excuse.
Spitting on someone is an insult that can really piss them off to the point of violence, but him having CP and the offender being a safety officer, there's just no way you could think that's right.
Hopefully he has a long time to think about what he's done.
Now, someone who's job is to protect said people? There's no excuse.
Spitting on someone is an insult that can really piss them off to the point of violence, but him having CP and the offender being a safety officer, there's just no way you could think that's right.
Hopefully he has a long time to think about what he's done.
Posted: Sat May 31, 2014 4:28 pmWell in that case given the potential threat to free speech which affects everyone rather than a near trivial minority, I'd prefer to air on the side of excluding the warning to avoid possible chilling effects thank you very much.