security guard beats student in wheelchair (trigger warning)

[The Republic of Merrimont]

This man is why we cant haven nice things..... That poor kid he probably doesn't even feel secure in his own school..

[Llamalandia]

This man is why we cant haven nice things..... That poor kid he probably doesn't even feel secure in his own school..

I doubt this was a recurrent issue after all the guard who beat him was only subbing for a day. I mean, seriously that's not a lot of reason to suddenly think the school is unsafe. Of course the fact it needs a resource officer in the first place makes me suspicious then again, there becoming a pretty standard addition to most govt controlled schools.

[Great Empire of Gamilus]

This isn't tumblur, we don't do "trigger warnings". Take that SJW bullshit elsewhere.

But anyway, on topic, that security guard should get at least 10 years of hard time.

sadly the tumblrites are pressing in everywhere.


also i find this incident absolutely stupid. really what kind of security officers do these schools hire? and why would you even spit at him when it would jsut aggravate him?

[Llamalandia]

This isn't tumblur, we don't do "trigger warnings". Take that SJW bullshit elsewhere.

But anyway, on topic, that security guard should get at least 10 years of hard time.

sadly the tumblrites are pressing in everywhere.


also i find this incident absolutely stupid. really what kind of security officers do these schools hire? and why would you even spit at him when it would jsut aggravate him?

Agreed it's not the smartest move, but technically i would argue at that point he was essentially being place ounder a false arrest and as such had a right to resist the wanna be cop.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Just because people aren't "allowed" to do something doesn't mean they won't. Protecting a school from an armed intruder or breaking up a fight requires a different set of tactics from herding students to their classrooms or maintaining order in a classroom. That means you need people with a different skill set, and these things should be separate jobs. The former job might require a weapon or handcuffs; the latter doesn't.

I don't see why we automatically can't combine them though. I mean schools do have limited resources after all. Paying a security guard plus a "professional hall monitor" is presumably more expensive and less efficient than just paying one to do both jobs, and I'm guessing most resource officers generally get at least some special training before being assigned that role (though in this case the guy was a non-leo guard filling in as a substitute for the usual officer so who knows). I mean, this isn't like having national guardsmen in schools accompanying students, which you know we actually had during desegregation.

So don't bother with hall monitors. Janitors, teachers, etc. will be around anyway, and I don't care if a security guard stops someone to ask what they're doing in the hall during class. There just shouldn't be any sense of urgency about handling a situation where no one's in danger. It's not the guard's problem if someone is late to class. That's between the student and the teacher whose class they missed.

Or only have hall monitors and skip the handcuffs. Since the Columbine shooting the security in schools has gotten much more paranoid... I literally do not remember ever seeing anyone with a set of handcuffs in my school except when police officers visited to talk give anti-drug talks or whatever and when students brought handcuffs to play with. I don't see how it is necessary for security guards to be walking around with handcuffs in the first place.

I have no idea why you brought up the national guardsmen during desegregation. That was a response to reasonable safety concerns, not post-Columbine paranoia. If this specific school has had problems with gangs or whatever and needs guards, then fine, have guards. They just don't need to be concerned about students who are slow-moving, noisy, or any of the other dumbass reasons that people use handcuffs on students. My comment about separating security from instruction and administration was not only a reaction to this specific case, but also other stories I've read. There was one where somebody handcuffed a student to his desk because he was being unruly.

[New DeCapito]

What depresses me is that you hear lots of stories like this on NS.

[Bimbomania]

The guy deserved it. He was acting like a dick. School security guard is a shitty job as it is, we don't need little cretins running around making life even more difficult for them.

[The UK in Exile]

The guy deserved it. He was acting like a dick. School security guard is a shitty job as it is, we don't need little cretins running around making life even more difficult for them.

Well he clearly wasn't running around, was he?

[OMGeverynameistaken]

What, nobody's going to argue that the guard did the right thing?

I'm disappointed in you, NSG.

[The Huskar Social Union]

What, nobody's going to argue that the guard did the right thing?

I'm disappointed in you, NSG.

See the second post above you, apparently the disabled student deserved it for being a dick (even though the guard restrained him to his wheelchair) and for (even though he cant) running around and making life difficult for the security.

Yup.

[OMGeverynameistaken]

What, nobody's going to argue that the guard did the right thing?

I'm disappointed in you, NSG.

See the second post above you, apparently the disabled student deserved it for being a dick (even though the guard restrained him to his wheelchair) and for (even though he cant) running around and making life difficult for the security.

Yup.

Ahh, balance is restored.

[The Huskar Social Union]

See the second post above you, apparently the disabled student deserved it for being a dick (even though the guard restrained him to his wheelchair) and for (even though he cant) running around and making life difficult for the security.

Yup.

Ahh, balance is restored.

Unfortunately.

[Socialist Tera]

Ableist bastard should be jailed.

[Risottia]

How the fuck did a person like mr.Martinez get selected for that job, I wonder. Can't we raise the minimum threshold for some jobs a bit?

Competence requires reasonable pay rates and competitive benefits.

And, as everyone knows, the tiny fraction of a single additional penny this will cost the individual taxpayer is an unspeakable crime that makes beating the wheelchair-bound pale in comparison.

I think a nail was struck quite exactly and accurately on its head.

[Gunrado]

This is horrible.

Also, "trigger warnings" are a joke and I pray this doesn't become a thing on NS. Toughen up, it's words.

Ever notice how the people who say this are never the actual people with PTSD?

"When I was in second grade someone called me a fat lard and I had a panic attack and I still have the PTSD from it so DON'T!!!11 trigger me shitlord, me being called names was equivalent to nearly losing my life in a war/murder/genocide!!!!111"

The world isn't a hug box, these people need to get over themselves. I won't construct a happy, lovey-dovey shelter for you because you think being bullied when you were younger makes you special and entitled to it.

[Pope Joan]

There is a huge difference between the hurt feelings we mistakenly label "bullying" these days, and the physical abuse this guy imposed.

[Shaggai]

Ever notice how the people who say this are never the actual people with PTSD?

"When I was in second grade someone called me a fat lard and I had a panic attack and I still have the PTSD from it so DON'T!!!11 trigger me shitlord, me being called names was equivalent to nearly losing my life in a war/murder/genocide!!!!111"

The world isn't a hug box, these people need to get over themselves. I won't construct a happy, lovey-dovey shelter for you because you think being bullied when you were younger makes you special and entitled to it.

Getting called names and getting, for example, raped are vastly different. I sincerely hope you never have to personally find out the magnitude of the difference.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

This is bad, but I don't know what we're supposed to discuss. The merits of disabled student beatings?

[Llamalandia]

Ableist bastard should be jailed.

You know what here's the thing though, being abled is preferrable to being disabled. I nfact if you are able you are in part superior to someone who is disabled. Playing the violin is an ability, one I don't have. One who does have that ability is in terms of violin playing my superior. Like wise with other disabilites. Now obviously we shouldn't be discriminating against the disabled purely on the basis of their handicaps (unless they are material relevant) but the term "ableist" is stupid in a meritocratic society that actually does value ability over lack thereof.

[Blazedtown]

This is bad, but I don't know what we're supposed to discuss. The merits of disabled student beatings?

Clearly it's the next Olympic sport.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Ableist bastard should be jailed.

You know what here's the thing though, being abled is preferrable to being disabled. I nfact if you are able you are in part superior to someone who is disabled. Playing the violin is an ability, one I don't have. One who does have that ability is in terms of violin playing my superior. Like wise with other disabilites. Now obviously we shouldn't be discriminating against the disabled purely on the basis of their handicaps (unless they are material relevant) but the term "ableist" is stupid in a meritocratic society that actually does value ability over lack thereof.

I can't read your post and not see "fucking crippled bastards are worth less than other people even though that's literally the exact opposite of what our nation and the current dominant Western philosophy say".

[Llamalandia]

You know what here's the thing though, being abled is preferrable to being disabled. I nfact if you are able you are in part superior to someone who is disabled. Playing the violin is an ability, one I don't have. One who does have that ability is in terms of violin playing my superior. Like wise with other disabilites. Now obviously we shouldn't be discriminating against the disabled purely on the basis of their handicaps (unless they are material relevant) but the term "ableist" is stupid in a meritocratic society that actually does value ability over lack thereof.

I can't read your post and not see "fucking crippled bastards are worth less than other people even though that's literally the exact opposite of what our nation and the current dominant Western philosophy say".

Well, ok, clone me and break my clones legs. I'm now arguably superior to my clone.

Of course people are different and should be judged on a wide variety of characteristics, but we shouldn't wholly exclude "disabilitities" from consideration. That's all I'm saying. I mean, in most case theyre are other compensating factors anyway. For instance someone whose blind develops more highly attuned hearing etc etc.

[Murkwood]

Ableist bastard should be jailed.

Someone missed our lecture on not using Tumblr terms...

[Gunrado]

"When I was in second grade someone called me a fat lard and I had a panic attack and I still have the PTSD from it so DON'T!!!11 trigger me shitlord, me being called names was equivalent to nearly losing my life in a war/murder/genocide!!!!111"

The world isn't a hug box, these people need to get over themselves. I won't construct a happy, lovey-dovey shelter for you because you think being bullied when you were younger makes you special and entitled to it.

Getting called names and getting, for example, raped are vastly different. I sincerely hope you never have to personally find out the magnitude of the difference.

Of course. But we as a society to learn to face our fears rather than cower and avoid them. If a woman was raped, obviously it's a vicious tragedy and the offender should be punished while she should be given all the help she needs to recover from the experience. However part of that recovery requires her recognizing what happened to her and learning to move on, not hiding from every mention of the word rape.

My aunt was raped and severely beaten by her ex-husband. She was severely depressed for a long time, but after a lot of counseling and rehabilitation, she began to recover. She's now doing very well. It was obviously a very traumatic experience for her, but she's never demanded that we "trigger warn" her, or stopped herself from reading, watching, or doing the stuff she loves because it might remind her of her experience. She says that while at the time she felt so weak, now she feels it made her a stronger person. She faced her fears and horrible memories without being coddled. All I'm saying is that is how we should treat victims of real PTSD, not hiding all evidence of anything bad for them and letting them cry on forever without facing their problems.

[Llamalandia]

This is bad, but I don't know what we're supposed to discuss. The merits of disabled student beatings?

The level of punishment of the guard, the specifics of why and how what he did was wrong what made this extra special wrong, there's actually a decent amount to discuss. I mean, should this guard get 1 year or a hundred years in prison? ...and go.