security guard beats student in wheelchair (trigger warning)

[Seriong]

it says a lot in our society that the felt justified to do what he did.

It says nothing about our society that he did what he did. Someone performing antisocial behavior, and being decried for it, shows that such behavior is antithetical to the society. To try and say that by virtue of the action having been performed, that it is somehow accepted, or caused by the culture of the society is silly.

[Llamalandia]

Yeah, but how the hell can someone be "transautistic what exactly does that even mean"?

Also, I criticize you for not supporting americas hardworking cowboys eh, cattlemen, cattlepersons, I mean hardworking ranchers of the world, by not consuming meat.

It's an SJW term meaning you identify as an autistic person on the inside. Yes. Really.

That makes no sense though. I mean, does autism exist outside of oneself or rather are there some kind of physical phenotyptic indicators aside from behaviour that denote autism? It makes no sense. I mean, transgender at least makes sense, your a boy on the outside and girl on the inside, hence trans-gender but what the heck, you can't be an autistic person trapped in a non-autistic persons body it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, and if the glove don't fit you must acquit.

[Shnercropolis]

Seriously, what's going on with the 'safety officer' who clearly doesn't have a fucking clue of what his job is. They are there to make sure no one gets hurt. They are not there to lay hands on the kids except to prevent them for getting hurt (that is, breaking up a fight, etc.)

Safety officers, at least in NYC, are a division of the police force, NOT of the schools.

1) He had no business touching Martinez' wheelchair. For fuck's sake, that's like grabbing and pushing a student's body. You do NOT lay hands on someone without permission.

2) He had no business handcuffing the boy for making it clear he did not want to be touched.

3) Hitting the boy had the proper consequence: arrested, charged with a felony, fired.

Mighty damn tired though of one asshole's actions being used as a throwaway to bash the entire system, though.

In California(or at least my county) we have the police security officer who makes sure kids aren't doing drugs or killing each other and the school security officer who tells kids to get to class.

[Murkwood]

It's an SJW term meaning you identify as an autistic person on the inside. Yes. Really.

That makes no sense though. I mean, does autism exist outside of oneself or rather are there some kind of physical phenotyptic indicators aside from behaviour that denote autism? It makes no sense. I mean, transgender at least makes sense, your a boy on the outside and girl on the inside, hence trans-gender but what the heck, you can't be an autistic person trapped in a non-autistic persons body it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, and if the glove don't fit you must acquit.

Congratulations. You've just been introduced to some do the worst of SJW insanity, right up with Otherkins.

[Llamalandia]

it says a lot in our society that the felt justified to do what he did.

It says nothing about our society that he did what he did. Someone performing antisocial behavior, and being decried for it, shows that such behavior is antithetical to the society. To try and say that by virtue of the action having been performed, that it is somehow accepted, or caused by the culture of the society is silly.

One ahole does not a representative sampling of society make. That said, it didn't look like anyone really tried to stop him, that does say something, though given his authority and physical build I'm not totally shocked I wouldn't physically take on a cop even a rent-a-cop fake cop.

[Seriong]

Well in that case given the potential threat to free speech which affects everyone rather than a near trivial minority, I'd prefer to air on the side of excluding the warning to avoid possible chilling effects thank you very much.

Let's start with this one: the definition of trival = of little worth or importance. Usually we don't refer to fellow humans as "trival" especially if they suffer from PTSD or other issues. It's also not an issue of chilling free speech, news shows have been using the "viewers might find this disturbing" for many years, calling that chilling free speech is laughable.

One can only err on the side of caution, if there is anything to be cautious of, and I have yet to be shown (not for a lack of asking mind you) any source that shows that reading about something like this could 'trigger' a panic attack in someone suffering from PTSD.

[Llamalandia]

That makes no sense though. I mean, does autism exist outside of oneself or rather are there some kind of physical phenotyptic indicators aside from behaviour that denote autism? It makes no sense. I mean, transgender at least makes sense, your a boy on the outside and girl on the inside, hence trans-gender but what the heck, you can't be an autistic person trapped in a non-autistic persons body it DOES NOT MAKE SENSE, and if the glove don't fit you must acquit.

Congratulations. You've just been introduced to some do the worst of SJW insanity, right up with Otherkins.

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

[Shnercropolis]

Congratulations. You've just been introduced to some do the worst of SJW insanity, right up with Otherkins.

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

Probbly, Tumblr is the largest high-pressure stupid concentration on the internet.

[Seriong]

It says nothing about our society that he did what he did. Someone performing antisocial behavior, and being decried for it, shows that such behavior is antithetical to the society. To try and say that by virtue of the action having been performed, that it is somehow accepted, or caused by the culture of the society is silly.

One ahole does not a representative sampling of society make. That said, it didn't look like anyone really tried to stop him, that does say something, though given his authority and physical build I'm not totally shocked I wouldn't physically take on a cop even a rent-a-cop fake cop.

It says no more than the old bystander and Milgram experiments. People are either afraid of disobeying authority, or believe that others will disobey the authority for them, it doesn't mean that they believe the action to be acceptable.

[Murkwood]

Congratulations. You've just been introduced to some do the worst of SJW insanity, right up with Otherkins.

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

[Shnercropolis]

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

Oh...my...god.
This is the single best subreddit that exists.

[Murkwood]

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

Oh...my...god.
This is the single best subreddit that exists.

The flair is the best part. I'm "Angua-Kin."

[The Serbian Empire]

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

Damn, Tumblr is deserving of at least twenty rants from me! Thank you for giving me a treasure trove of new material as I don't need to snorkel in the Tumblr swamp.

[Murkwood]

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

Damn, Tumblr is deserving of at least twenty rants from me! Thank you for giving me a treasure trove of new material as I don't need to snorkel in the Tumblr swamp.

All the fun, and none of the exposure!

[Blazedtown]

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

My god. Thank you.

[Llamalandia]

Dear god, the words Social and Justice do not belong together, it's like nails on a chalkboard for me when I hear that term or read it. That said, guessing this is something you picked up on what tumblr maybe?

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

That is utterly hilarious.

[Saruhan]

If you want to see more Tumblr insanity from the safety of Not-Tumblr, go to /r/Tumblrinaction.

Damn, Tumblr is deserving of at least twenty rants from me! Thank you for giving me a treasure trove of new material as I don't need to snorkel in the Tumblr swamp.

Make sure to focus on headmates first

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well, I'm glad they fired the guy. He obviously should not be working in a school.

When I was in school, we did not have guys with handcuffs patrolling the halls. This is not the first story I've heard of a school official misusing handcuffs, putting them on a student when it was totally inappropriate. If we have to have security people with handcuffs or weapons or whatever, they should not be responsible for anything except safety. When you have people that are also responsible for getting the kids to behave, they are more likely to get frustrated with unruly kids and do dumb things like this.

[New Colorado Republic]

There is fucked up people everywhere and always had been

[Llamalandia]

Well, I'm glad they fired the guy. He obviously should not be working in a school.

When I was in school, we did not have guys with handcuffs patrolling the halls. This is not the first story I've heard of a school official misusing handcuffs, putting them on a student when it was totally inappropriate. If we have to have security people with handcuffs or weapons or whatever, they should not be responsible for anything except safety. When you have people that are also responsible for getting the kids to behave, they are more likely to get frustrated with unruly kids and do dumb things like this.

Yeah, the only times handcuffs should be used is when making an arrest, and heck even then plenty of times they don't cuff people, though that's technically against procedure in most departments.

[Llamalandia]

Well, I'm glad they fired the guy. He obviously should not be working in a school.

When I was in school, we did not have guys with handcuffs patrolling the halls. This is not the first story I've heard of a school official misusing handcuffs, putting them on a student when it was totally inappropriate. If we have to have security people with handcuffs or weapons or whatever, they should not be responsible for anything except safety. When you have people that are also responsible for getting the kids to behave, they are more likely to get frustrated with unruly kids and do dumb things like this.

Well, they shouldn't be allowed to use any tool, they wouldn't normally use in an appropriate context. I mean, if a get is shooting up a school and school resource officer has a weapon he should by all means use it. If to kids are just in fist fight or something no obviously he shouldn't use a gun to stop them, not even if he's only threatening to use it, that wouldn't be appropriate in that context.

[Pope Joan]

A mentally ill man in Vermont knew he was descending into an "episode" and called 911.

They sent the cops, who found him noncompliant, and shocked him with tasers until he died.

http://www.wcax.com/story/18842881/thet ... -by-police

Trust your policeman, he is only here to help you!

No thanks, I won't.

[Nazi Flower Power]

A mentally ill man in Vermont knew he was descending into an "episode" and called 911.

They sent the cops, who found him noncompliant, and shocked him with tasers until he died.

http://www.wcax.com/story/18842881/thet ... -by-police

Trust your policeman, he is only here to help you!

No thanks, I won't.

That's sad, but he was out of control and probably wouldn't have died if he hadn't been epileptic. It doesn't sound like the cop intended to kill him. I'd be curious about the results of the police department's investigation.

[Nazi Flower Power]

Well, I'm glad they fired the guy. He obviously should not be working in a school.

When I was in school, we did not have guys with handcuffs patrolling the halls. This is not the first story I've heard of a school official misusing handcuffs, putting them on a student when it was totally inappropriate. If we have to have security people with handcuffs or weapons or whatever, they should not be responsible for anything except safety. When you have people that are also responsible for getting the kids to behave, they are more likely to get frustrated with unruly kids and do dumb things like this.

Well, they shouldn't be allowed to use any tool, they wouldn't normally use in an appropriate context. I mean, if a get is shooting up a school and school resource officer has a weapon he should by all means use it. If to kids are just in fist fight or something no obviously he shouldn't use a gun to stop them, not even if he's only threatening to use it, that wouldn't be appropriate in that context.

Just because people aren't "allowed" to do something doesn't mean they won't. Protecting a school from an armed intruder or breaking up a fight requires a different set of tactics from herding students to their classrooms or maintaining order in a classroom. That means you need people with a different skill set, and these things should be separate jobs. The former job might require a weapon or handcuffs; the latter doesn't.

[Llamalandia]

Well, they shouldn't be allowed to use any tool, they wouldn't normally use in an appropriate context. I mean, if a get is shooting up a school and school resource officer has a weapon he should by all means use it. If to kids are just in fist fight or something no obviously he shouldn't use a gun to stop them, not even if he's only threatening to use it, that wouldn't be appropriate in that context.

Just because people aren't "allowed" to do something doesn't mean they won't. Protecting a school from an armed intruder or breaking up a fight requires a different set of tactics from herding students to their classrooms or maintaining order in a classroom. That means you need people with a different skill set, and these things should be separate jobs. The former job might require a weapon or handcuffs; the latter doesn't.

I don't see why we automatically can't combine them though. I mean schools do have limited resources after all. Paying a security guard plus a "professional hall monitor" is presumably more expensive and less efficient than just paying one to do both jobs, and I'm guessing most resource officers generally get at least some special training before being assigned that role (though in this case the guy was a non-leo guard filling in as a substitute for the usual officer so who knows). I mean, this isn't like having national guardsmen in schools accompanying students, which you know we actually had during desegregation.