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Postby Llamalandia » Sat May 31, 2014 4:30 pm

Boomhaueristan wrote:It disgusts me when people would even have the slightest idea of hurting someone who is totally unable to defend themselves.

Now, someone who's job is to protect said people? There's no excuse.
Spitting on someone is an insult that can really piss them off to the point of violence, but him having CP and the offender being a safety officer, there's just no way you could think that's right.

Hopefully he has a long time to think about what he's done.


That's the problem with unfortunately too many authority figures/people in power. I mean, it sounds to me like this guard was just hyped up to be filling in for the school resource officer (who is normally a cop in many districts) and got way way out of hand abusing his power and authority because hey it felt good too him.

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Postby The divided » Sat May 31, 2014 4:33 pm

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better safe than sorry


Well in that case given the potential threat to free speech which affects everyone rather than a near trivial minority, I'd prefer to air on the side of excluding the warning to avoid possible chilling effects thank you very much.


Let's start with this one: the definition of trival = of little worth or importance. Usually we don't refer to fellow humans as "trival" especially if they suffer from PTSD or other issues. It's also not an issue of chilling free speech, news shows have been using the "viewers might find this disturbing" for many years, calling that chilling free speech is laughable.

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Postby Blazedtown » Sat May 31, 2014 4:42 pm

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Murkwood wrote:I think "Security guard beats student in wheelchair" is enough of a warning of the content as it is.


better safe than sorry


Our point is that this is not tumblur, people hear are a little tougher than your average 13 year old that inhabits tumblur.
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Postby The Scientific States » Sat May 31, 2014 4:45 pm

The security guard was a asshole. He had no right to beat the kid up.
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Postby The divided » Sat May 31, 2014 4:46 pm

The Scientific States wrote:The security guard was a asshole. He had no right to beat the kid up.


If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?

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Postby The Scientific States » Sat May 31, 2014 4:48 pm

The divided wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:The security guard was a asshole. He had no right to beat the kid up.


If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?


I couldn't see the video, since I'm on a phone with a limited wifi connection. If I saw the video, I could see how bad it actually was.

But, I'm guessing the kid was hurt pretty bad, based off the OP, so I'd give the officer a few years in jail.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat May 31, 2014 4:50 pm

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The Scientific States wrote:The security guard was a asshole. He had no right to beat the kid up.


If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?


Community service as an orderly in a prosthesis center.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat May 31, 2014 4:52 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
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If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?


Community service as an orderly in a prosthesis center.


That's it? He beat up a minor in a wheel chair, the guy should do at least 10 years.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat May 31, 2014 4:58 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
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Community service as an orderly in a prosthesis center.


That's it? He beat up a minor in a wheel chair, the guy should do at least 10 years.


I was thinking that 200 hours of having to wheel people where they tell him to might straighten him out. The maximum sentence in the UK would be 3 years but community service is a possiblity.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat May 31, 2014 4:59 pm

The UK in Exile wrote:
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That's it? He beat up a minor in a wheel chair, the guy should do at least 10 years.


I was thinking that 200 hours of having to wheel people where they tell him to might straighten him out. The maximum sentence in the UK would be 3 years but community service is a possiblity.


Well then the UK is fucked in the head.
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I was thinking that 200 hours of having to wheel people where they tell him to might straighten him out. The maximum sentence in the UK would be 3 years but community service is a possiblity.


Well then the UK is fucked in the head.


Felony Battery in Cali is 3 years too.
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Postby Blazedtown » Sat May 31, 2014 5:02 pm

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Well then the UK is fucked in the head.


Felony Battery in Cali is 3 years too.


Extenuating circumstances, we're taking about beating a cripple kid.
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Postby The UK in Exile » Sat May 31, 2014 5:06 pm

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Felony Battery in Cali is 3 years too.


Extenuating circumstances, we're taking about beating a cripple kid.


That is with extenuating circumstances. For a misdemeanour battery its 6 months, 1 year if its on school grounds.
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Postby Llamalandia » Sat May 31, 2014 5:11 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
The divided wrote:
If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?


I couldn't see the video, since I'm on a phone with a limited wifi connection. If I saw the video, I could see how bad it actually was.

But, I'm guessing the kid was hurt pretty bad, based off the OP, so I'd give the officer a few years in jail.


Actually not terrible though the kid claims persisten pain, I'm not inclined to disbelief him either. That said, it was by no means especially brutal, the fact that it was a disabled kid he was picking on here is what aggravates the crime in my opinion, and yeah, I'm guessing that while a normal person, would certainly have felt getting violently slapped around and definitely had bruises I'm less convinced that a normal person would be suffering the same degree of pain. Don't know if that helps much. (also not using normal offensively I'm just saying, a helathy non diabled person of the same age gender build etc)

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Postby Llamalandia » Sat May 31, 2014 5:12 pm

The divided wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:The security guard was a asshole. He had no right to beat the kid up.


If you were the judge, what sentence would you give him?


Depends on the degree of remorse here, plus what witnesses say, what the victim testifies too etc. Plus who knows there maybe guidelines or mandatory minimums here so how much discretion one has may ultimately be "limited" anyway.

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Postby The divided » Sat May 31, 2014 5:47 pm

Blazedtown wrote:
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better safe than sorry


Our point is that this is not tumblur, people hear are a little tougher than your average 13 year old that inhabits tumblur.


Check your NS privilege.

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Postby Greed and Death » Sat May 31, 2014 5:50 pm

Katganistan wrote:Seriously, what's going on with the 'safety officer' who clearly doesn't have a fucking clue of what his job is. They are there to make sure no one gets hurt. They are not there to lay hands on the kids except to prevent them for getting hurt (that is, breaking up a fight, etc.)

Safety officers, at least in NYC, are a division of the police force, NOT of the schools.

1) He had no business touching Martinez' wheelchair. For fuck's sake, that's like grabbing and pushing a student's body. You do NOT lay hands on someone without permission.

2) He had no business handcuffing the boy for making it clear he did not want to be touched.

3) Hitting the boy had the proper consequence: arrested, charged with a felony, fired.

Mighty damn tired though of one asshole's actions being used as a throwaway to bash the entire system, though.


I agree they should be part of the police force. It helps them be more professional and better trained. Also officers rotating to Resource officer duty enjoy the more down played.
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Postby Murkwood » Sat May 31, 2014 5:53 pm

The divided wrote:
Blazedtown wrote:
Our point is that this is not tumblur, people hear are a little tougher than your average 13 year old that inhabits tumblur.


Check your NS privilege.

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat May 31, 2014 5:55 pm

Paddy O Fernature wrote:Student: Slapped the guard first
Guard: Restrained the student to keep himself from getting slapped further
Student: Then spit on him in retaliation
Guard: Should have put a spit mask over the kids head, and continued on his way, as at this point he basically is in a poor mans restraint chair.

In short, kid had no right to slap then spit on the RSO. However, that doesn't justify the RSO doing what he did, even though I can understand why he was upset after being spit on.


Screw rights. The asshole deserved to be spat on, and all of society should do the same and spit on him as well. That is a deterrent punishment, and we won't have to deal with shit like this from other people.
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Postby Murkwood » Sat May 31, 2014 5:56 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Paddy O Fernature wrote:Student: Slapped the guard first
Guard: Restrained the student to keep himself from getting slapped further
Student: Then spit on him in retaliation
Guard: Should have put a spit mask over the kids head, and continued on his way, as at this point he basically is in a poor mans restraint chair.

In short, kid had no right to slap then spit on the RSO. However, that doesn't justify the RSO doing what he did, even though I can understand why he was upset after being spit on.


Screw rights.

Let's not. That's a very bad idea.
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Postby The divided » Sat May 31, 2014 5:57 pm

Murkwood wrote:
The divided wrote:
Check your NS privilege.

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Damn, you got be there. I is defeated ;)

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Postby The New Sea Territory » Sat May 31, 2014 5:57 pm

Murkwood wrote:As a trans MtF Bi Pansexual Transautistic CAMAB Demiplatonic Asensual Better-Abled Planetkin Singlet Afro-Centric Vegan Socialist Therian, I'm immune from criticism.


Quoteworthy...
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The New Sea Territory wrote:
Murkwood wrote:As a trans MtF Bi Pansexual Transautistic CAMAB Demiplatonic Asensual Better-Abled Planetkin Singlet Afro-Centric Vegan Socialist Therian, I'm immune from criticism.


Quoteworthy...

I'd AQ it, but you can't AQ your own posts.
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Postby Llamalandia » Sat May 31, 2014 6:04 pm

The New Sea Territory wrote:
Murkwood wrote:As a trans MtF Bi Pansexual Transautistic CAMAB Demiplatonic Asensual Better-Abled Planetkin Singlet Afro-Centric Vegan Socialist Therian, I'm immune from criticism.


Quoteworthy...


Yeah, but how the hell can someone be "transautistic what exactly does that even mean"?

Also, I criticize you for not supporting americas hardworking cowboys eh, cattlemen, cattlepersons, I mean hardworking ranchers of the world, by not consuming meat.

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Postby Murkwood » Sat May 31, 2014 6:07 pm

Llamalandia wrote:
The New Sea Territory wrote:
Quoteworthy...


Yeah, but how the hell can someone be "transautistic what exactly does that even mean"?

Also, I criticize you for not supporting americas hardworking cowboys eh, cattlemen, cattlepersons, I mean hardworking ranchers of the world, by not consuming meat.

It's an SJW term meaning you identify as an autistic person on the inside. Yes. Really.
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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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