security guard beats student in wheelchair (trigger warning)

[The UK in Exile]

A non handicapped student who is late for class is not grabbed and forced to head to the classroom Neither should a handicapped student have the same thing happen to his wheelchair.

They can be. I would certainly have absolutely no problem with that to be sure. Again, though the kid was gonna be late we can either see wheeling him to class as a "helping hand" or a disciplinary action either way, there was nothing wrong with that part of it. What did become a problem was the guard reactions from that point on, they were totally inappropriate.

what world do you live in where:
A) being late is something security guards are supposed to worry about?
B) being late means someone can manhandle you to the place you were going in the first place?

[Shaggai]

Ever notice how the people who say this are never the actual people with PTSD?

Imagine people with PTSD would find "security guard beats student in wheelchair (WARNING: if you find a security guard beating a student in wheelchair distressing, you may find this thread to be distressing, as it contains discussion of a security guard beating a student in wheelchair)" slightly patronizing. A trigger warning on say - Titus Andronicus is one thing, this thread isn't exactly screaming out for one.

Sure, but the point of Gunrado's post was that trigger warnings are a joke. Which is stupid.

[Llamalandia]

They can be. I would certainly have absolutely no problem with that to be sure. Again, though the kid was gonna be late we can either see wheeling him to class as a "helping hand" or a disciplinary action either way, there was nothing wrong with that part of it. What did become a problem was the guard reactions from that point on, they were totally inappropriate.

what world do you live in where:
A) being late is something security guards are supposed to worry about?
B) being late means someone can manhandle you to the place you were going in the first place?

A) he was subbing for a school resource officer and yes, that's something they do. They walk the halls between classes and make sure no one everyone is where they are supposed to be. It's both so the student is in the classroom learning like they are supposed to and for liability reasons schools are expected to make a go faith effort to know where theyre students are. IF someone isn't where theyre supposed to be and something happens to them, like saying getting hit by a car in the parking lot it can potentially be a problem for the school, though this is going to vary by state.

B) Yes. If you aren't going there on your own. IF the kid was making it there in reasonable time under his own power then the guard should have either left him alone or politely asked if he needed help. If the kid obviously wasn't going to make it to class on time, then I see no problem with the guard giving him some muscle as assistance.

[Neutraligon]

what world do you live in where:
A) being late is something security guards are supposed to worry about?
B) being late means someone can manhandle you to the place you were going in the first place?

A) he was subbing for a school resource officer and yes, that's something they do. They walk the halls between classes and make sure no one everyone is where they are supposed to be. It's both so the student is in the classroom learning like they are supposed to and for liability reasons schools are expected to make a go faith effort to know where theyre students are. IF someone isn't where theyre supposed to be and something happens to them, like saying getting hit by a car in the parking lot it can potentially be a problem for the school, though this is going to vary by state.

B) Yes. If you aren't going there on your own. IF the kid was making it there in reasonable time under his own power then the guard should have either left him alone or politely asked if he needed help. If the kid obviously wasn't going to make it to class on time, then I see no problem with the guard giving him some muscle as assistance.

B) Again, because the guard has no right to touch the student or his wheelchair unless the student was being uncooperative. To force your help on someone who does not want it is harassment. The correct thing to do would have been to ask if the student wanted or needed help. Siply grabbing the wheelchair can and should be seen as an act of violence against the student, similar to grabbing and forcibly pulling a student to the classroom (which is not allowed).

[Geilinor]

As a student who uses a wheelchair, this is shocking.

[Geilinor]

what world do you live in where:
A) being late is something security guards are supposed to worry about?
B) being late means someone can manhandle you to the place you were going in the first place?

A) he was subbing for a school resource officer and yes, that's something they do. They walk the halls between classes and make sure no one everyone is where they are supposed to be. It's both so the student is in the classroom learning like they are supposed to and for liability reasons schools are expected to make a go faith effort to know where theyre students are. IF someone isn't where theyre supposed to be and something happens to them, like saying getting hit by a car in the parking lot it can potentially be a problem for the school, though this is going to vary by state.

B) Yes. If you aren't going there on your own. IF the kid was making it there in reasonable time under his own power then the guard should have either left him alone or politely asked if he needed help. If the kid obviously wasn't going to make it to class on time, then I see no problem with the guard giving him some muscle as assistance.

What's the definition of snubbing? "I don't need assistance, thank you?" If he isn't getting to class on time, use disciplinary action. Don't beat him up.

[Llamalandia]

A) he was subbing for a school resource officer and yes, that's something they do. They walk the halls between classes and make sure no one everyone is where they are supposed to be. It's both so the student is in the classroom learning like they are supposed to and for liability reasons schools are expected to make a go faith effort to know where theyre students are. IF someone isn't where theyre supposed to be and something happens to them, like saying getting hit by a car in the parking lot it can potentially be a problem for the school, though this is going to vary by state.

B) Yes. If you aren't going there on your own. IF the kid was making it there in reasonable time under his own power then the guard should have either left him alone or politely asked if he needed help. If the kid obviously wasn't going to make it to class on time, then I see no problem with the guard giving him some muscle as assistance.

What's the definition of snubbing? "I don't need assistance, thank you?" If he isn't getting to class on time, use disciplinary action. Don't beat him up.

Right and the action he was using was pushing his wheel chair for him. I don't see how that part is objectionable, it was basically everything that happened after that point.

[District XIV]

Student: Slapped the guard first
Guard: Restrained the student to keep himself from getting slapped further
Student: Then spit on him in retaliation
Guard: Should have put a spit mask over the kids head, and continued on his way, as at this point he basically is in a poor mans restraint chair.

In short, kid had no right to slap then spit on the RSO. However, that doesn't justify the RSO doing what he did, even though I can understand why he was upset after being spit on.

Uh, the kid had full right to spit on the guard. If someone had thrown you out of a wheelchair after hitting you, then handcuffed you, I think you would spit on them. I don't understand how you think the guard's actions were justified just because a kid spit on him after the kid was beaten.

[The UK in Exile]

What's the definition of snubbing? "I don't need assistance, thank you?" If he isn't getting to class on time, use disciplinary action. Don't beat him up.

Right and the action he was using was pushing his wheel chair for him. I don't see how that part is objectionable, it was basically everything that happened after that point.

except he wasn't pushing his wheelchair "for him".

[Neo Rome Republic]

That is just appalling.

[Geilinor]

What's the definition of snubbing? "I don't need assistance, thank you?" If he isn't getting to class on time, use disciplinary action. Don't beat him up.

Right and the action he was using was pushing his wheel chair for him. I don't see how that part is objectionable, it was basically everything that happened after that point.

The action which includes handcuffing and slapping? It wouldn't be acceptable to physically drag or slap students who can walk to class but arrive late, and it isn't any different with disabled students.

[Llamalandia]

A) he was subbing for a school resource officer and yes, that's something they do. They walk the halls between classes and make sure no one everyone is where they are supposed to be. It's both so the student is in the classroom learning like they are supposed to and for liability reasons schools are expected to make a go faith effort to know where theyre students are. IF someone isn't where theyre supposed to be and something happens to them, like saying getting hit by a car in the parking lot it can potentially be a problem for the school, though this is going to vary by state.

B) Yes. If you aren't going there on your own. IF the kid was making it there in reasonable time under his own power then the guard should have either left him alone or politely asked if he needed help. If the kid obviously wasn't going to make it to class on time, then I see no problem with the guard giving him some muscle as assistance.

B) Again, because the guard has no right to touch the student or his wheelchair unless the student was being uncooperative. To force your help on someone who does not want it is harassment. The correct thing to do would have been to ask if the student wanted or needed help. Siply grabbing the wheelchair can and should be seen as an act of violence against the student, similar to grabbing and forcibly pulling a student to the classroom (which is not allowed).

Look people get wheel around all the time. Hell many hospitals require that someone upon discharge is remove from the hospital in a wheel chair by a staff member. I mean, that's people who can walk on their own in most cases being forced to not only use a wheel chair but have someone else push said chair. It's not a choice in many cases.

That said, I do get the feeling the guard was probably being a bit over zealous about it. I mean it sounds like he was prodding all the students to get to class. But I mean no the kid doesn't really a right to refuse be pushed in to class, anymore than anyone else could object to be forced into class. School is after all compulsory, you don't get to choose not to be there, you have no legal right. But again the they both handled the situation less than optimally, and in the case of the guard specifically, "less than optimally" means used criminal force like in the extreme.

[Llamalandia]

Right and the action he was using was pushing his wheel chair for him. I don't see how that part is objectionable, it was basically everything that happened after that point.

The action which includes handcuffing and slapping? It wouldn't be acceptable to physically drag or slap students who can walk to class but arrive late, and it isn't any different with disabled students.

No the handcoffing and beating are totally out of line and inappropriate, the being dragged into class whether disabled or not is perfectly fine.

[Llamalandia]

Right and the action he was using was pushing his wheel chair for him. I don't see how that part is objectionable, it was basically everything that happened after that point.

except he wasn't pushing his wheelchair "for him".

Ok well let me check the video, as in honesty I've so far only read the description of the incident.

[Geilinor]

B) Again, because the guard has no right to touch the student or his wheelchair unless the student was being uncooperative. To force your help on someone who does not want it is harassment. The correct thing to do would have been to ask if the student wanted or needed help. Siply grabbing the wheelchair can and should be seen as an act of violence against the student, similar to grabbing and forcibly pulling a student to the classroom (which is not allowed).

Look people get wheel around all the time. Hell many hospitals require that someone upon discharge is remove from the hospital in a wheel chair by a staff member. I mean, that's people who can walk on their own in most cases being forced to not only use a wheel chair but have someone else push said chair. It's not a choice in many cases.

That said, I do get the feeling the guard was probably being a bit over zealous about it. I mean it sounds like he was prodding all the students to get to class. But I mean no the kid doesn't really a right to refuse be pushed in to class, anymore than anyone else could object to be forced into class. School is after all compulsory, you don't get to choose not to be there, you have no legal right. But again the they both handled the situation less than optimally, and in the case of the guard specifically, "less than optimally" means used criminal force like in the extreme.

The school wouldn't literally push a student who can walk to class, even if they were late, nor would they drag or carry.

[Neutraligon]

B) Again, because the guard has no right to touch the student or his wheelchair unless the student was being uncooperative. To force your help on someone who does not want it is harassment. The correct thing to do would have been to ask if the student wanted or needed help. Siply grabbing the wheelchair can and should be seen as an act of violence against the student, similar to grabbing and forcibly pulling a student to the classroom (which is not allowed).

Look people get wheel around all the time. Hell many hospitals require that someone upon discharge is remove from the hospital in a wheel chair by a staff member. I mean, that's people who can walk on their own in most cases being forced to not only use a wheel chair but have someone else push said chair. It's not a choice in many cases.

That said, I do get the feeling the guard was probably being a bit over zealous about it. I mean it sounds like he was prodding all the students to get to class. But I mean no the kid doesn't really a right to refuse be pushed in to class, anymore than anyone else could object to be forced into class. School is after all compulsory, you don't get to choose not to be there, you have no legal right. But again the they both handled the situation less than optimally, and in the case of the guard specifically, "less than optimally" means used criminal force like in the extreme.

Yes people get wheeled around all the time, when the agree to it. Hospitals may require that, but the person must still agree to it. The hospital cannot force the person into the wheelchair. Yes the kid does have a right to refuse to be pushed to class, just as the student has the right to not be manhandled to the class. The kid was in the school building and was late, that does ot mean someone gets to manhandle him.

[Llamalandia]

Look people get wheel around all the time. Hell many hospitals require that someone upon discharge is remove from the hospital in a wheel chair by a staff member. I mean, that's people who can walk on their own in most cases being forced to not only use a wheel chair but have someone else push said chair. It's not a choice in many cases.

That said, I do get the feeling the guard was probably being a bit over zealous about it. I mean it sounds like he was prodding all the students to get to class. But I mean no the kid doesn't really a right to refuse be pushed in to class, anymore than anyone else could object to be forced into class. School is after all compulsory, you don't get to choose not to be there, you have no legal right. But again the they both handled the situation less than optimally, and in the case of the guard specifically, "less than optimally" means used criminal force like in the extreme.

Yes people get wheeled around all the time, when the agree to it. Hospitals may require that, but the person must still agree to it. The hospital cannot force the person into the wheelchair. Yes the kid does have a right to refuse to be pushed to class, just as the student has the right to not be manhandled to the class. The kid was in the school building and was late, that does ot mean someone gets to manhandle him.

Uh no they don't have to agree to it. If you refuse to leave the hospital, they may let you stay for a few minutes or a few hours but at some point they're either going to put you in a chair and wheel you outside, or if fight them they'll call security and have them force in you a chair and wheel you out. Either way you're leaving the hospital in a wheel chair if that's what they so mandate. You don't get a choice.

Thus it was fine what the guard did up until he violently reacted to martinez who (inappropriately tried to slap his hand away.)

Mitchell then began to push Martinez's wheelchair. When Martinez objected and tried to slap the guard's hands away, Mitchell allegedly handcuffed the teen to the chair.

Still like I said you cant just handcuff the kid, especially given that he really couldn't stop the guard from wheeling him anywhere. I mean, if the kid tries to slap you fine, report it to his teacher to write up when you get him to class, but handcuffing and beating him was clearly not just wrong but felonious.

[Murkwood]

Ever notice how the people who say this are never the actual people with PTSD?

Ok, here's the thing, people with PTSD and more specifically PTSD likely to be triggered by this are an unbelieveably small minority of the population. We don't base things on the needs of what is no offense, a nearly trivial minority. Plus really has anyone on NS ever claimed to have actually been triggered by something that was a surprise to them? (ie could be easily discerned by the reading the title)

This is a very good summarization.

[Llamalandia]

Look people get wheel around all the time. Hell many hospitals require that someone upon discharge is remove from the hospital in a wheel chair by a staff member. I mean, that's people who can walk on their own in most cases being forced to not only use a wheel chair but have someone else push said chair. It's not a choice in many cases.

That said, I do get the feeling the guard was probably being a bit over zealous about it. I mean it sounds like he was prodding all the students to get to class. But I mean no the kid doesn't really a right to refuse be pushed in to class, anymore than anyone else could object to be forced into class. School is after all compulsory, you don't get to choose not to be there, you have no legal right. But again the they both handled the situation less than optimally, and in the case of the guard specifically, "less than optimally" means used criminal force like in the extreme.

The school wouldn't literally push a student who can walk to class, even if they were late, nor would they drag or carry.

Yeah, they do. I've seen it documentaries of failing schools and stuff. The very much do drag kids to class when theyre playing hooky in the halls.

[The UK in Exile]

The school wouldn't literally push a student who can walk to class, even if they were late, nor would they drag or carry.

Yeah, they do. I've seen it documentaries of failing schools and stuff. The very much do drag kids to class when theyre playing hooky in the halls.

Sure. but, just maybe, their called failing schools for a reason?

[Neutraligon]

Yes people get wheeled around all the time, when the agree to it. Hospitals may require that, but the person must still agree to it. The hospital cannot force the person into the wheelchair. Yes the kid does have a right to refuse to be pushed to class, just as the student has the right to not be manhandled to the class. The kid was in the school building and was late, that does ot mean someone gets to manhandle him.

Uh no they don't have to agree to it. If you refuse to leave the hospital, they may let you stay for a few minutes or a few hours but at some point they're either going to put you in a chair and wheel you outside, or if fight them they'll call security and have them force in you a chair and wheel you out. Either way you're leaving the hospital in a wheel chair if that's what they so mandate. You don't get a choice.

Thus it was fine what the guard did up until he violently reacted to martinez who (inappropriately tried to slap his hand away.)

Mitchell then began to push Martinez's wheelchair. When Martinez objected and tried to slap the guard's hands away, Mitchell allegedly handcuffed the teen to the chair.

Still like I said you cant just handcuff the kid, especially given that he really couldn't stop the guard from wheeling him anywhere. I mean, if the kid tries to slap you fine, report it to his teacher to write up when you get him to class, but handcuffing and beating him was clearly not just wrong but felonious.

Ye they have to agree to it. They may force you to leave at some point, but that is normally when security has been called, at which point it is a very different scenario. More then that there is a difference between the situation mentioned above, and the situation in the school. Again you are not allowed to grab the kid and drag them to the classroom. Similarly you should not be allowed to grab a wheelchair and push the kid to the classroom. Both are a form of assault. The only time an officer should be allowed to gab a kid in school is if the student is a danger to others, or deliberately disobeying orders, and in the case of the second, that is still questionable.

[MERIZoC]

Ok, here's the thing, people with PTSD and more specifically PTSD likely to be triggered by this are an unbelieveably small minority of the population. We don't base things on the needs of what is no offense, a nearly trivial minority. Plus really has anyone on NS ever claimed to have actually been triggered by something that was a surprise to them? (ie could be easily discerned by the reading the title)

This is a very good summarization.

While I'd agree the warning isn't really necessary in this case, there is literally no point in complaining about it.

[Murkwood]

This is a very good summarization.

While I'd agree the warning isn't really necessary in this case, there is literally no point in complaining about it.

Why? If it's needless and silly, it should be pointed out.

[Geilinor]

While I'd agree the warning isn't really necessary in this case, there is literally no point in complaining about it.

Why? If it's needless and silly, it should be pointed out.

Is it that big of a problem? So what if the OP wrote "trigger warning"?

[The UK in Exile]

Why? If it's needless and silly, it should be pointed out.

Is it that big of a problem for the OP to write "trigger warning"?

Wouldn't want others to pick up the bad habit.