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Postby Chemaki » Sat May 31, 2014 4:33 am

Katganistan wrote:Ironic coming from someone blithely using the term Yank.


Ah, but we didn't call Americans Yanks. They called each other Yanks as an insult during the civil war, so there's no sinister undertone when we use that insult. :P

As for Limey, it's directly offensive to our great British culture, and I think the entire world needs to know this and realize that calling someone British a Limey is actually supporting killing all British people, since the Americans used to call us Limeys when they were fighting us.

In fact, I think America should ban Limes altogether seeing as how offended someone in the UK could be by this, just as how white ponchos in the UK should be banned for offending Americans who were the host of a religious cult a century ago.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat May 31, 2014 4:34 am

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Chemaki wrote:You don't boycott things because they're convenient to boycott. And yes, in many senses, you are a hypocrite; if you're against slave labour, you would boycott everything you know was made by slaves and wouldn't be going to the World Cup. If you're against the holocaust, you would not be typing on this computer, because IBM provided equipment to orchestrate Hitler's 'final solution' in WW2.
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So what you're saying is, you discriminate against Germans (or at least, their companies) for war crimes that were committed 70 years ago.

If I'm typing on this computer I'm not against the Holocaust? That's stupid. If I find it inconvenient to boycott some companies and not others, then so be it. If you think it's not called boycotting in that case, let me rephrase: I don't buy the products of the company because it's easy enough to find a more innocent alternative. For me the reason is irrelevant for whether it be a boycott or not, but I just used the word because it's shorter than a phrase anyway.
I don't like Germans, for war crimes and more recent, personal encounters, how they've gotten away with things and their 'superior' behavior when they are in other countries, generally speaking of course, because I do have German friends (who know how I think about this) (is that hypocrite too?). As a consequence, I tend not to avoid some of their infected brands.

How they've gotten away with what? All the senior Nazis bar a handful were found guilty and executed, their actions led to the creation of human rights as we now know them and their women were raped by the million by the Soviets.
Their country was occupied for various reasons for almost the remainder of the century after the War and entire cities had been razed to the ground.

They got away with nothing.
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Postby Alcmaria » Sat May 31, 2014 4:46 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:How they've gotten away with what? All the senior Nazis bar a handful were found guilty and executed, their actions led to the creation of human rights as we now know them and their women were raped by the million by the Soviets.
Their country was occupied for various reasons for almost the remainder of the century after the War and entire cities had been razed to the ground.

They got away with nothing.

Most of the senior Nazis, yes. Millions of enablers lived happy lives, although most of them are dead by now, too. Anyway, I wasn't specifically talking about the war crimes. I've seen enough Germans disrespecting, disobeying, cheating and abusing in any way you can imagine, including to people that I care about. I know that people everywhere do that, and that even though they're many they're still individuals, and I always try to treat them as such, but I find it very hard, and buying products from former Nazi companies is just a bit too much for me.

Edit: by the way as of today still thousands of neo-nazis are living in Germany. And if you're saying only the Nazis and the SS are responsible for the Holocaust, you might want to do a Google search on Hitler's Willing Executioners.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat May 31, 2014 4:46 am

Katganistan wrote:
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Can we make it a criminal offense for yanks to call us silly things like "Limeys", since you know, that's what they called our brave soldiers 200 years ago before brutally slaughtering them in battle? I'm sure someone in the UK finds the term "Limey" offensive.


Ironic coming from someone blithely using the term Yank.


Limey is way more offensive than Yank is.

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Postby Indira » Sat May 31, 2014 4:47 am

I really don't mind people wearing their flag. Perhaps a little more thought though? I mean, the KKK isn't active over here, but we know about it.

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Sat May 31, 2014 4:47 am

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Alcmaria wrote:If I'm typing on this computer I'm not against the Holocaust? That's stupid. If I find it inconvenient to boycott some companies and not others, then so be it. If you think it's not called boycotting in that case, let me rephrase: I don't buy the products of the company because it's easy enough to find a more innocent alternative. For me the reason is irrelevant for whether it be a boycott or not, but I just used the word because it's shorter than a phrase anyway.
I don't like Germans, for war crimes and more recent, personal encounters, how they've gotten away with things and their 'superior' behavior when they are in other countries, generally speaking of course, because I do have German friends (who know how I think about this) (is that hypocrite too?). As a consequence, I tend not to avoid some of their infected brands.

How they've gotten away with what? All the senior Nazis bar a handful were found guilty and executed, their actions led to the creation of human rights as we now know them and their women were raped by the million by the Soviets.
Their country was occupied for various reasons for almost the remainder of the century after the War and entire cities had been razed to the ground.

They got away with nothing.


I agree with this. Germans got away with nothing.

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Postby Katganistan » Sat May 31, 2014 4:58 am

Chemaki wrote:
Katganistan wrote:Ironic coming from someone blithely using the term Yank.


Ah, but we didn't call Americans Yanks. They called each other Yanks as an insult during the civil war, so there's no sinister undertone when we use that insult. :P


No, sorry, Yanks comes quite a bit before the civil war, thank you -- it was an insult from the British when they referred to the colonists as "Yankee Doodles" before, during and after that little tiff we lovingly refer to here as The Revolutionary War and you call "good riddance". ;)

Really, now. If you're going to use a term of endearment for us, know where it comes from.

Also, seriously, you got called Limeys because your navy was sensible enough to realize eating citrus would stave off scurvy. That's an insult? ;)
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat May 31, 2014 5:08 am

I thought Limey was an insult, because no country that produced limes would actually sell them to us. We actually had to use lemons, which are only half as effective as limes, apparently.

And besides, Yankee Doodle, IIRC, was quickly reclaimed by Americans, wasn't it? They turned it into a patriotic song.
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Postby Brutland and Norden » Sat May 31, 2014 5:24 am

Alcmaria wrote:It doesn't matter is the KKK is active in the country or not, people everywhere know the KKK and how they dress

If you say KKK in my country, they are going to think of this. People should stop being America-centric.
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Postby Alcmaria » Sat May 31, 2014 5:37 am

Brutland and Norden wrote:
Alcmaria wrote:It doesn't matter is the KKK is active in the country or not, people everywhere know the KKK and how they dress

If you say KKK in my country, they are going to think of this. People should stop being America-centric.

The hoodie is the problem, not that people are shouting: KKK! Besides, it would be strange if people in the UK would be thinking of the the Philippine Revolution of 1896 when they hear KKK, there's nothing America-centric about associating it with the Klan.
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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Sat May 31, 2014 5:47 am

Are the Daily Mail complaining it doesn't look enough like a KKK outfit? You can never tell with them.
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Postby Chemaki » Sat May 31, 2014 6:12 am

Katganistan wrote:No, sorry, Yanks comes quite a bit before the civil war, thank you -- it was an insult from the British when they referred to the colonists as "Yankee Doodles" before, during and after that little tiff we lovingly refer to here as The Revolutionary War and you call "good riddance". ;)



Oh, fair enough; I've talked to a few people from the deep South and a lot of them hate it when I use the term 'Yank' - Apparently it's reserved for people who live in the Northeast.

Not that it doesn't stop me calling them that. :P

Alcmaria wrote:Besides, it would be strange if people in the UK would be thinking of the the Philippine Revolution of 1896 when they hear KKK, there's nothing America-centric about associating it with the Klan.


Now that is very America-centric.
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Postby Alyakia » Sat May 31, 2014 6:40 am

am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.
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Postby Breadknife » Sat May 31, 2014 6:41 am

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Breadknife wrote:1 The least British of the four national patron saints of Britain, as it happens...


Excuse the petty pedantry, but Andrew is surely just as "un-British" as George.

England: Saint George - Late 3rd-century Roman soldier, most likely from around what's now modern Israel.

Scotland: Saint Andrew - 1st-century Palestinian Jew/early Christian.

Ireland: Saint Patrick - 5th-century Romano-Briton kidnapped by Irish slave traders from somewhere in the western part of the Roman Empire's British provinces (Patrick himself wasn't too clear on the details; the location of Bannavem Taburniae eludes us - it's not this site).

Wales: Saint David - 6th-century Welshman from southwest Wales.

Which ultimately means that while Patrick is at least from the British Isles, David is the only British/Irish national patron saint who was actually born in the country of which he's now the patron....

I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother. ;)


Regarding us British recognising, or not, the symbology of the KKK in the alleged 'robe', that's not necessarily the question (although I'd say a good proportion would; we import a lot of US culture, by default, through imported TV and films). Instead it's what might the Brazilian hosts and our potential opponents upon the field think of what we're wearing. Intention or not, I could see a furore occuring if they started donning the garments, en mass, without 'warning'...


However, perhaps this is all moot if a plainly non-Klan symbol appears on the apparel.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat May 31, 2014 6:52 am

Alyakia wrote:am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Of course it's known of in the UK.
They're not culturally relevant, unlike in the US.
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Postby Katganistan » Sat May 31, 2014 7:41 am

Alyakia wrote:am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Yes, given we're talking about someone taking something to be malicious which is not, versus someone being deliberately insulting. Do keep up, please.

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Postby Chemaki » Sat May 31, 2014 8:02 am

Katganistan wrote:
Alyakia wrote:am i the only person that finds it funny that people think the KKK isn't well known outside america

also nice debate about the word "yank" or whatever. fits in very well with the topic.

Yes, given we're talking about someone taking something to be malicious which is not, versus someone being deliberately insulting. Do keep up, please.


My slant on that was more "It's silly criticizing other countries for unintentional links to past historical grievances within your own that have absolutely no connection to them", like banning Limes because they remind some poor Brit about the war of 1812.

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Postby Len Hyet » Sat May 31, 2014 8:11 am

Honestly if the two pictures hadn't been put together I probably wouldn't have made the connection. One is very clearly a body hugging cloak designed to symbolize white power and supremacy in an organization that has dedicated itself to the spread of white power throughout the world. The other is a KKK outfit.
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Postby Ainin » Sat May 31, 2014 8:19 am

I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat May 31, 2014 8:22 am

Ainin wrote:I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.

It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat May 31, 2014 8:23 am

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Ainin wrote:I honestly don't see the resemblance between the stupid cloth cloak worn by the KKK and this plastic English raincoat.

It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.

That is not the analogy I was thinking of
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Postby The Archregimancy » Sat May 31, 2014 8:24 am

Breadknife wrote:I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.


I'd quibble, but I see why you're making the point, so fair enough.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother. ;)


A common misconception.

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the ... Patronages

http://www.edmundforengland.co.uk/

In which case England's flag might have ended up looking like this....

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Postby National Socialist Korea » Sat May 31, 2014 8:25 am

The Archregimancy wrote:
Breadknife wrote:I'm not saying that it's not a close-called thing, in this regard. St. Andrew has at least had (alleged) relics brought to the country (by Bishop Akka? I forget exactly), whereas I think St. George has foregone even this potential official act, in order to grace this particular adopted land of patronage.


I'd quibble, but I see why you're making the point, so fair enough.

Mind you, he was brought in as a late substitute very late in his 'religious (after)life', taking over from Edward the Confessor for... theopolitical reasons. So he probably decided it wasn't worth the bother. ;)


A common misconception.

While Edward the Confessor was very popular as a de facto English patron in the period before the adoption of St. George, the de jure patron saint was St. Edmund the Martyr.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_the_Martyr

http://www.edmundforengland.co.uk/

In which case England's flag might have ended up looking like this....

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My eyes did not approve of that flag. :?

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Sat May 31, 2014 8:26 am

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Imperializt Russia wrote:It's white and it's pointy.
So was Saturn V.

That is not the analogy I was thinking of

It is now ;)
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Postby Len Hyet » Sat May 31, 2014 8:30 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Len Hyet wrote:That is not the analogy I was thinking of

It is now ;)

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