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Postby Roski » Fri May 30, 2014 10:40 am

Again, of course abortion isn't the only cause.

Its ludicrous to even assume that I meant its the only thing.


The title can't be longer; "Why Abortion may have caused enough damage to the US economy to not be negligible" is too long.
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Postby Condunum » Fri May 30, 2014 10:41 am

Roski wrote:
Vindex Nation wrote:No people being killed??? Are you a loon?, everytine there is an abortion the doctor kills someone.


Did you read his statement? Also, not really. Its a lump of cells with no other support than the mother until four months in.

it doesn't even have a heartbeat

You should probably pay attentions a bit more...
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri May 30, 2014 10:43 am

Roski wrote:Again, of course abortion isn't the only cause.

Its ludicrous to even assume that I meant its the only thing.


The title can't be longer; "Why Abortion may have caused enough damage to the US economy to not be negligible" is too long.

I don't see how it hurts. the million or so fewer people than would have been otherwise born is better replaced by immigrants that we don't have to pay to raise. win/win.
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Postby Roski » Fri May 30, 2014 10:48 am

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Roski wrote:Again, of course abortion isn't the only cause.

Its ludicrous to even assume that I meant its the only thing.


The title can't be longer; "Why Abortion may have caused enough damage to the US economy to not be negligible" is too long.

I don't see how it hurts. the million or so fewer people than would have been otherwise born is better replaced by immigrants that we don't have to pay to raise. win/win.


No. Not really.

but this is personal bias
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Postby Unilisia » Fri May 30, 2014 10:48 am

My urge to say 'wat' to this is immense, but that would be uncouth, so instead I'll just say that you should go read about the US economy instead of assuming abortions are the problem with it (which is just plain wrong).
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri May 30, 2014 10:49 am

Roski wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:I don't see how it hurts. the million or so fewer people than would have been otherwise born is better replaced by immigrants that we don't have to pay to raise. win/win.


No. Not really.

but this is personal bias


but youre not willing to outline why im wrong?
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Postby Roski » Fri May 30, 2014 10:50 am

Ashmoria wrote:
Roski wrote:
No. Not really.

but this is personal bias


but youre not willing to outline why im wrong?


I would rather prefer American workers than illegal immigrants (legal ones idc about)
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Postby Farnhamia » Fri May 30, 2014 10:51 am

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but youre not willing to outline why im wrong?


I would rather prefer American workers than illegal immigrants (legal ones idc about)

So Ash isn't wrong, you just would rather have American workers?
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Postby Roski » Fri May 30, 2014 10:52 am

Farnhamia wrote:
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I would rather prefer American workers than illegal immigrants (legal ones idc about)

So Ash isn't wrong, you just would rather have American workers?


I said in my post that it was just personal bias.
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Postby Ashmoria » Fri May 30, 2014 10:53 am

Roski wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
but youre not willing to outline why im wrong?


I would rather prefer American workers than illegal immigrants (legal ones idc about)

we can have any number of legal immigrants, eh?

and do you prefer American-born workers no matter how they came to be--meaning forcing their parents to have them when they didn't want another child so that you can feel better about who is working in this country?
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Postby Condunum » Fri May 30, 2014 10:53 am

Roski wrote:
Ashmoria wrote:
but youre not willing to outline why im wrong?


I would rather prefer American workers than illegal immigrants (legal ones idc about)

American workers who cost tens of thousands of dollars to raise (at the minimum) as opposed to foreigners who would probably add that much to the economy in roughly that time, if not more.
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Postby Roski » Fri May 30, 2014 10:55 am

Conscentia wrote:
Roski wrote:[...]The title can't be longer; "Why Abortion may have caused enough damage to the US economy to not be negligible" is too long.

But it was negligible, as demonstrated by the population pyramid.


Sorry, 50 million less people?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 30, 2014 10:59 am

No, abortion didn't destroy the economy. Then again, anti abortion laws in Romania did destroy their economy.

Also, abortion should be legal and safe, so as to ensure the mother receives proper care.

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Postby Ashmoria » Fri May 30, 2014 11:07 am

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Conscentia wrote:But it was negligible, as demonstrated by the population pyramid.


Sorry, 50 million less people?

noooooo

women have the number of children they want to have no matter if the have an abortion or not. the aborted fetus is replaced later by an actual baby. if she wasn't allowed to have an abortion she wouldn't have another child later.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Fri May 30, 2014 5:50 pm

I see this thread heading for a lock.

That said, the reason population growth has slowed is the same as everywhere else in the world: Higher levels of education and economic opportunity for women. All you have to do is look at Iran, a nation with a vastly different culture which is currently seeing the EXACT same effects, largely due to the government deciding that it has to keep its national population from outrunning its available resources, and responding by providing birth control for their entire population, opening doors to women in education and the workplace, and watching nature take its course.

If Iran is experiencing the exact same phenomenon, it's not a consequence of abortion.

POSTSCRIPT: The foregoing is the reason why, sanctions or no, Iran is going to dominate its corner of the world in the decades to come. If you're betting on the Gulf sheikdoms to outpace Iran, you're betting on the wrong damned horse.
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Postby Alien Space Bats » Fri May 30, 2014 5:52 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Roski wrote:
Sorry, 50 million less people?

noooooo

women have the number of children they want to have no matter if the have an abortion or not. the aborted fetus is replaced later by an actual baby. if she wasn't allowed to have an abortion she wouldn't have another child later.

This, damn it. This.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 30, 2014 6:04 pm

Abortion's impact is pretty small, considering how relatively few most happen. And, it's a good thing that birth control use is widespread, otherwise, we would have a larger population, but more impoverished population.
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Postby Benuty » Fri May 30, 2014 6:05 pm

United Marxist Nations wrote:Abortion's impact is pretty small, considering how relatively few most happen. And, it's a good thing that birth control use is widespread, otherwise, we would have a larger population, but more impoverished population.

At-least we are not attempting Gattaca.
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Postby United Marxist Nations » Fri May 30, 2014 6:08 pm

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United Marxist Nations wrote:Abortion's impact is pretty small, considering how relatively few most happen. And, it's a good thing that birth control use is widespread, otherwise, we would have a larger population, but more impoverished population.

At-least we are not attempting Gattaca.

I don't think the screening out of genetic diseases is bad, as long as it is provided for publicly.
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Postby Norstal » Fri May 30, 2014 6:09 pm

Conscentia wrote:
Roski wrote:Sorry, 50 million less people?

Source?

All dem sperm, man. I've probably killed more than a hundred billion potential Americans.

I am literally Hitler.
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Postby Calimera II » Fri May 30, 2014 6:18 pm

Population growth remains strong so you arguments aren't valid.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri May 30, 2014 6:31 pm

Roski wrote:Well, the Abortion movement started in 1973... meaning that instead of making babies, they were terminating pregnancies more.


Are you under the misinformed impression that there were no abortions before Roe versus Wade?

Roski wrote:This also means that there would be no baby boom after Vietnam as well.


Why? The baby-boom wasn't about just having sex, it was about people wanting babies.

Roski wrote:So now, you don't have enough people to replace the workforce of 78 MILLION people. That is why the economy is collapsing.


I see where you are going with it, but there's actually no shortage of labour - quite the opposite, in fact.

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Postby Esternial » Fri May 30, 2014 6:42 pm

Would make sense if the US is the only country that has legalized abortion.

Oh wait, there's a landmass across the ocean that also has countries, and some of them have also legalized abortion. Wow, some even earlier than the US!

Funny how that works, huh?
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