Why Abortion may have destroyed the US Economy

[The Black Forrest]

The argument is also a gross oversimplification as it suggests abortions prevented viable functioning tax paying adults.

Usually, the people are aborted are children of the poor, the criminally-prone, the unfit parents. And thank god for this, too. If every pregnancy that ever occurred in every ghetto led to a birth, then we'd be a dealing with a serious crime problem and feel the strain on our resources.

Well? I wasn't referring to poor. Serious diseases. A friend terminated and the hospital that performed it told her the usual case are bad diseases. Even her Nurse mentioned she had two because her family suffers from a nasty version of downs.....

[New Holy Germania]

Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes. People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor. We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby, if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up. Biologically they are human. We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people. We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters. We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power. Corruption causes more chaos and crime. There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own. You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted? Hmm? Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!

[The Black Forrest]

Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes. People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor. We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby, if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up. Biologically they are human. We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people. We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters. We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power. Corruption causes more chaos and crime. There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own. You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted? Hmm? Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!

ah.......what?

[New Holy Germania]

Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes. People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor. We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby, if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up. Biologically they are human. We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people. We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters. We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power. Corruption causes more chaos and crime. There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own. You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted? Hmm? Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!

ah.......what?

Relatives were patriotic to their countries from France yo Nazi Germany but we're killed because they were Israelis and that wasn't considered a person. Fetuses are biologically human but aren't considered people. Millions without lives fucks up the poor's mind.

[New Holy Germania]

We need more abortion. While the issue of funding pensions for a growing class of a retirees is a temporary obstacle, it pales in comparison to the long-term consequences of unsustainable population growth.

Seriously, I'm talking eugenics and population reduction.

I hope you are a troll. The U.S. has a lack of people problem if anything mot an overpopulation issue. Lots of people, leaders have tried your method though. Look up Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Maybe next after your done with the babies you'll start with Israelis and Jews, though I'll tell you guys will have one hell of a fight this time because this time we're ready. I mean people with your line of thinking have tried before so let us see how far you go this time.

[Libertarian California]

We need more abortion. While the issue of funding pensions for a growing class of a retirees is a temporary obstacle, it pales in comparison to the long-term consequences of unsustainable population growth.

Seriously, I'm talking eugenics and population reduction.

I hope you are a troll. The U.S. has a lack of people problem if anything mot an overpopulation issue. Lots of people, leaders have tried your method though. Look up Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Maybe next after your done with the babies you'll start with Israelis and Jews, though I'll tell you guys will have one he'll of a fight this time because this time we're ready.

Ah yes.

-Someone makes a post about sustainable population control
-QUICK CALL THE ADL IT'S LIKE ANOTHA SHOAH HE'S GONNA KILL 6 BILLION JEWS

[New Holy Germania]

I hope you are a troll. The U.S. has a lack of people problem if anything mot an overpopulation issue. Lots of people, leaders have tried your method though. Look up Joseph Stalin, Pol Pot, etc. Maybe next after your done with the babies you'll start with Israelis and Jews, though I'll tell you guys will have one he'll of a fight this time because this time we're ready.

Ah yes.

-Someone makes a post about sustainable population control
-QUICK CALL THE ADL IT'S LIKE ANOTHA SHOAH HE'S GONNA KILL 6 BILLION JEWS

Population control...have you gone mad!?! We cannot play God to ourselves.
No I don't think another shown will happen but if that's what you want........

[Libertarian California]

Ah yes.

-Someone makes a post about sustainable population control
-QUICK CALL THE ADL IT'S LIKE ANOTHA SHOAH HE'S GONNA KILL 6 BILLION JEWS

Population control...have you gone mad!?! We cannot play God to ourselves.
No I don't think another shown will happen but if that's what you want........

What is wrong with population control? It's good for the planet.

And if you don't think another Shoah will happen, why are you accusing me of trying to start one?

[Dakini]

To start: You see that little key off on the left of your keyboard that has some kind of arrow? Not backspace, the other one. It puts line breaks in your text. Maybe you should give it a try sometime.

Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes.

Okay, maybe you don't know where the backspace key is either.

People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor.

What does this even mean?

We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby,

I think toddlers are much closer to babies than embryoes are.

if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up.

No it doesn't. Most abortions happen in the first trimester (and even then, they tend to happen early). There's no evidence that embryoes feel pain or think at that stage in development. In part because they barely even have the kinds of cells required for these processes.

We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people.

I'm sure that Jewish and black people love being compared to barely-differentiated clumps of cells.

We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters.

What the fuck is a nanny? Also, nice misogyny.

We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power.

What is this?

Corruption causes more chaos and crime.

Actually, crime rates have been steadily decreasing.

There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own.

Source?

You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted?

Then I wouldn't exist. So what?

Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!

Well, this has certainly been an interesting and incoherent rant.

Too bad the premise of your entire argument seems to be that abortion is a problem because it's the "murder" of "people". Ignoring the fact that this is irrelevant. If a comatose person had to be hooked up to me for nine months with me as their life support machine, I have the right to refuse their use of my body if I so choose. Even though they're a person. If you need blood or bone marrow or a kidney to live and I'm the only match, I have every right to tell you to fuck off and die and keep my parts... even if I die, I can request that these things aren't given to you. Because we live in a society where bodily autonomy is recognized as an important right.

Yes, even for women: the "whores and monsters".

[New Holy Germania]

Population control...have you gone mad!?! We cannot play God to ourselves.
No I don't think another shown will happen but if that's what you want........

What is wrong with population control? It's good for the planet.

Wow you're edgy asides from that it's not good. You're saying killing millions to God knows how many IS good for a price of rock. We can goto other planets and send people there. More people=better societies.

[Libertarian California]

What is wrong with population control? It's good for the planet.

Wow you're edgy asides from that it's not good. You're saying killing millions to God knows how many IS good for a price of rock. We can goto other planets and send people there. More people=better societies.

Where did I ever say I wanted to kill people?

How is environmentalism edgy?

[New Holy Germania]

To start: You see that little key off on the left of your keyboard that has some kind of arrow? Not backspace, the other one. It puts line breaks in your text. Maybe you should give it a try sometime.

Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes.

Okay, maybe you don't know where the backspace key is either.

People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor.

What does this even mean?

We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby,

I think toddlers are much closer to babies than embryoes are.

if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up.

No it doesn't. Most abortions happen in the first trimester (and even then, they tend to happen early). There's no evidence that embryoes feel pain or think at that stage in development. In part because they barely even have the kinds of cells required for these processes.

We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people.

I'm sure that Jewish and black people love being compared to barely-differentiated clumps of cells.

We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters.

What the fuck is a nanny? Also, nice misogyny.

We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power.

What is this?

Corruption causes more chaos and crime.

Actually, crime rates have been steadily decreasing.

There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own.

Source?

You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted?

Then I wouldn't exist. So what?

Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!

Well, this has certainly been an interesting and incoherent rant.

Too bad the premise of your entire argument seems to be that abortion is a problem because it's the "murder" of "people". Ignoring the fact that this is irrelevant. If a comatose person had to be hooked up to me for nine months with me as their life support machine, I have the right to refuse their use of my body if I so choose. Even though they're a person. If you need blood or bone marrow or a kidney to live and I'm the only match, I have every right to tell you to fuck off and die and keep my parts... even if I die, I can request that these things aren't given to you. Because we live in a society where bodily autonomy is recognized as an important right.

Yes, even for women: the "whores and monsters".

Sorry I'm doing this on mobile.
Second my "rant" is relevant since it says that in society PEOPLE at willing to die for it and are killed by THEM because they aren't considered people.
"Fetuses" aka to the rest of us who have morales call babies ate our future.
Third since your pulling the misogyny card I'll inform you on what it means. It means you hate women you dumb fucking slut. I certainly do not hate women.
Fourth, since you are a feminist I'd say what you say to me. Google it. Read a science book.
Fifth life support has a one way benifet. The person on it. Babies in the womb have a mutual benifet of the mother needing the baby (getting attached to him or her) and the baby needing it.
Sixth you are a lier. You wouldn't exist hurr durr durr if I did that to you you'd freak out unless you have mental issues. It's human nature. This death is being ripped to prices then crudely disposed of to appease a whore.

[New Holy Germania]

Wow you're edgy asides from that it's not good. You're saying killing millions to God knows how many IS good for a price of rock. We can goto other planets and send people there. More people=better societies.

Where did I ever say I wanted to kill people?

How is environmentalism edgy?

Hey you may be a dumb ass but at least w
You're not a feminist slut

[Marcurix]

Well, we all believe that the President rules the economy with an iron fist. I have seen many people think that on the forums. That, is horseshit.

No "we" don't.

Those 78.3 million Americans are now retiring (or dead already, but they really don't effect the economy anymore), and no longer in the workforce. For better or for worse, Social Security now pays them. So why does that matter?

Well, 78.3 million workers is a lot, almost the entire population of Germany. But still, abortion doesn't seem to play in.

Well, the Abortion movement started in 1973 (Hey Roski, stfu, you don't know what you are talking about, some random ass movement nine years after your damn point), meaning that instead of making babies, they were terminating pregnancies more.
This also means that there would be no baby boom after Vietnam as well. So now, you don't have enough people to replace the workforce of 78 MILLION people. That is why the economy is collapsing.

Or not. I don't know. It might be fucking aliens. What do you guys think?
Am I right?
Or not?

You are not. The broadly accepted reason for the population decline is economics and medicine, it is no longer profitable to have a large number of children as people had in the baby boom era and in the centuries before.

Medicine has ensured a great decline in child morality, so now people no longer need to have six children in the hope at least one will make it. What's more, children are expensive and that can put people off having a lot of them. This is not the fault of abortion.

[Dakini]

Second my "rant" is relevant since it says that in society PEOPLE at willing to die for it and are killed by THEM because they aren't considered people.

...what? This is not even a coherent sentence.

"Fetuses" aka to the rest of us who have morales call babies ate our future.

By "those of us who have morals call babies" you mean "those of us who use emotional arguments because we don't have the honesty to use proper terms"? Also, I didn't speak about fetuses because most abortions concern embryoes, which are not fetuses.

Furthermore:

babies ate our future.

Damn you autocorrect?

Third since your pulling the misogyny card I'll inform you on what it means. It means you hate women you dumb fucking slut. I certainly do not hate women.

No, you just hate us enough to think that we don't deserve bodily autonomy. Further, I shall be reporting your flame if nobody else beats me to it.

Fourth, since you are a feminist I'd say what you say to me. Google it. Read a science book.

"Read a science book" is not a source. Especially when science disagrees with you.

Fifth life support has a one way benifet. The person on it. Babies in the womb have a mutual benifet of the mother needing the baby (getting attached to him or her) and the baby needing it.

Women don't need babies and a woman who does not want to be pregnant or have a baby does not benefit from continuing an unwanted pregnancy.

Sixth you are a lier.

You just can't argue an argument, can you?

You wouldn't exist hurr durr durr if I did that to you you'd freak out unless you have mental issues. It's human nature. This death is being ripped to prices then crudely disposed of to appease a whore.

If I didn't exist, I wouldn't exist. The world went for billions of years without me existing and it will continue for billions of years after I'm gone.

[Olthar]

Abortion destroyed the economy? Neat. I shall spread this around to others so that they may become enlightened. It'll fit quite snuggly inbetween my lecture about how illegal immigration leads to tax evasion and my PowerPoint presentation showing evidence that Obama shares family ties with Hitler, Caligula, Attila the Hun, and Bigfoot.

[Libertarian California]

Where did I ever say I wanted to kill people?

How is environmentalism edgy?

Hey you may be a dumb ass but at least w
You're not a feminist slut

Yeah...okay.

[The Remnants of Kobol]

To start: You see that little key off on the left of your keyboard that has some kind of arrow? Not backspace, the other one. It puts line breaks in your text. Maybe you should give it a try sometime.


Okay, maybe you don't know where the backspace key is either.


What does this even mean?


I think toddlers are much closer to babies than embryoes are.



No it doesn't. Most abortions happen in the first trimester (and even then, they tend to happen early). There's no evidence that embryoes feel pain or think at that stage in development. In part because they barely even have the kinds of cells required for these processes.


I'm sure that Jewish and black people love being compared to barely-differentiated clumps of cells.


What the fuck is a nanny? Also, nice misogyny.


What is this?


Actually, crime rates have been steadily decreasing.


Source?


Then I wouldn't exist. So what?


Well, this has certainly been an interesting and incoherent rant.

Too bad the premise of your entire argument seems to be that abortion is a problem because it's the "murder" of "people". Ignoring the fact that this is irrelevant. If a comatose person had to be hooked up to me for nine months with me as their life support machine, I have the right to refuse their use of my body if I so choose. Even though they're a person. If you need blood or bone marrow or a kidney to live and I'm the only match, I have every right to tell you to fuck off and die and keep my parts... even if I die, I can request that these things aren't given to you. Because we live in a society where bodily autonomy is recognized as an important right.

Yes, even for women: the "whores and monsters".

Sorry I'm doing this on mobile.
Second my "rant" is relevant since it says that in society PEOPLE at willing to die for it and are killed by THEM because they aren't considered people.
"Fetuses" aka to the rest of us who have morales call babies ate our future.
Third since your pulling the misogyny card I'll inform you on what it means. It means you hate women you dumb fucking slut. I certainly do not hate women.
Fourth, since you are a feminist I'd say what you say to me. Google it. Read a science book.
Fifth life support has a one way benifet. The person on it. Babies in the womb have a mutual benifet of the mother needing the baby (getting attached to him or her) and the baby needing it.
Sixth you are a lier. You wouldn't exist hurr durr durr if I did that to you you'd freak out unless you have mental issues. It's human nature. This death is being ripped to prices then crudely disposed of to appease a whore.

Do you even English?

I was unaware that babies ate my future. I guess I'll just go try to decide what I'm going to do with the rest of my present.

By referring to women as "whores and monsters" you are actually *are* displaying misogyny. By definition, using hate language against women is misogyny. If you don't accept that, you're simply too stupid or hateful to debate with.

I'm lazy, provide your own proof or I'll assume it doesn't exist.

Mother's don't require a parasite to sap off of their energy and give them 9 of the most physically strenuous months of their life. Yes, families are great, but a kid is not a requirement for happiness. I've met plenty of women who would have to give up their dream lives if they had a child.

If a person was removed from history before they were a part of history, then they are fiction. Fiction means it isn't real. If it isn't real, they didn't exist.

Within the first trimester, a fetus lacks the cells for any nerves to feel and the cells to have a "brain". Without a brain or nerve cells, the fetus would be unable to feel any pain.

But you sound like one of those people who would charge women with murder because they passed an egg during their period instead of getting knocked up.

Oh I'll regret getting into this...

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

Sorry I'm doing this on mobile.

Same, so I know that it shouldn't stop you from using the enter key.

Second my "rant" is relevant since it says that in society PEOPLE at willing to die for it and are killed by THEM because they aren't considered people.

The other guy already addressed why foetuses aren't considered people.

"Fetuses" aka to the rest of us who have morales call babies ate our future.

The rest of us who have morals view it as immoral to try to block the rights of others on the basis of unscientific, religious bullshit.
But anyway, we're referring to embryos, not foetuses, seeing as most abortions happen pretty early in the pregnancy, before the embryo can become a foetus.
Also, they're called embryos and foetuses whilst inside the womb, educate yourself on the correct terms and their definitions.

Third since your pulling the misogyny card I'll inform you on what it means. It means you hate women you dumb fucking slut. I certainly do not hate women.

"I don't hate women, you dumb fucking slut." Mmhmm, really?
Well from what you've said so far, it certainly seems like you do and simply asserting otherwise without any supporting arguments doesn't do anything for your case.

Fourth, since you are a feminist I'd say what you say to me. Google it. Read a science book.

Except that you didn't know the definition of a foetus and they did, making them much more scientifically literate on the matter than you already.
Also, they were referring to you saying that foetuses could think and feel pain. They told you to read the science on a particular topic, as it would show you that your assertion was wrong, whereas you're just blurting out "read the science!", without referring to anything, in lieu of an actual counterargument.

Fifth life support has a one way benifet. The person on it. Babies in the womb have a mutual benifet of the mother needing the baby (getting attached to him or her) and the baby needing it.

That entire 'mutual benefit' argument is entirely dependent on the woman becoming attached to the foetus, which she wouldn't be if she was getting the abortion in the first place. The benefit is only for the foetus, and I don't see why we should value what is basically a non-sentient, unthinking, unfeeling ball of cells over a grown woman, who is sentient, who can think, and who can feel.
Also, the foetus may be being terminated because the mother wouldn't be able to care for it, meaning that what is beneficial for the foetus may cause a child to suffer more.

Sixth you are a lier. You wouldn't exist hurr durr durr if I did that to you you'd freak out unless you have mental issues. It's human nature. This death is being ripped to prices then crudely disposed of to appease a whore.

I have no idea what you're referring to, seeing as you apparently chose to beat yourself in the face with you keyboard rather than try to form coherent sentences, but I do know that you are being immature and vulgar as a substitute for any kind of argument.
The other person went through basically every point in your rant and showed you why you were wrong, your response was to sit there and assert six points, without addressing what they had said, and whilst you spewed immature nonsense.

[L Ron Cupboard]

... and margarine causes divorce

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27537142

[Nazi Flower Power]

Abortion does not have much effect on birth rates. Most people just avoid getting pregnant in the first place (using a condom or what have you) unless they want kids.

[Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms]

... and margarine causes divorce

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-27537142

Well butter my crumpet and call me bachelor.

[Risottia]

We all know the story. We killed Hitler, then everyone went home and had (lots of) babies.

I dunno if the Soviets had lots of babies after the WW2.

Well, the Abortion movement started in 1973 (Hey Roski, stfu, you don't know what you are talking about, some random ass movement nine years after your damn point), meaning that instead of making babies, they were terminating pregnancies more.

And this is utter bullshit.

People had a lot of abortions before, only they were illegal. Actually, in about every single country where abortion on request has been legalised, the number of abortions went DOWN - that's because legal abortion went together with more information about procreation, and more availability of contraception. Plus, people started to think (and rightfully so) that parenthood should be planned and not just an accident due to a pierced condom.

And that's why your whole argument crumbles down: because bullshit isn't a good solid ground.

[Herrebrugh]

We all know the story. We killed Hitler, then everyone went home and had (lots of) babies.

I dunno if the Soviets had lots of babies after the WW2.

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have lots of babies after WW2, though.

[Risottia]

I dunno if the Soviets had lots of babies after the WW2.

I'm pretty sure Hitler didn't have lots of babies after WW2, though.

Well... maybe Doktor Mengele cloned him!