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Postby Kelinfort » Thu May 29, 2014 7:56 am

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If you're going to bring Nazis into it, you should mention that we are anti-abortion. Abortion is a Jewish ploy to destroy the German race.


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Postby Edlichbury » Thu May 29, 2014 7:58 am

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Mavorpen wrote:I don't give a shit. That has nothing to do with the fact they aren't babies. Call them what they actually are: fetuses.



but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

Because a fetus is not a human.

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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Thu May 29, 2014 8:00 am

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but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

Because a fetus is not a human.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Perhaps you mean not a person? That would make much more sense.
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Postby Edlichbury » Thu May 29, 2014 8:01 am

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Because a fetus is not a human.

That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Perhaps you mean not a person? That would make much more sense.

Tell me by what scientific standard a fetus is equivalent. Is an acorn equivalent to a tree?

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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Thu May 29, 2014 8:03 am

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Satanic Socialist States wrote:That is the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Perhaps you mean not a person? That would make much more sense.

Tell me by what scientific standard a fetus is equivalent. Is an acorn equivalent to a tree?

No an acorn is not a tree. When I say that it makes sense, when I say an acorn is not an oak, then I am saying something unfathomably inane.
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Postby Edlichbury » Thu May 29, 2014 8:09 am

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Tell me by what scientific standard a fetus is equivalent. Is an acorn equivalent to a tree?

No an acorn is not a tree. When I say that it makes sense, when I say an acorn is not an oak, then I am saying something unfathomably inane.

And again, this is on what scientific basis?

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Postby Hebalobia » Thu May 29, 2014 8:11 am

No, I don't think so.

First of all the US economy is alive and well if sluggish. The actual problems are as follows:

1) world wide productive capacity far exceeds current demand. The emphasis on production efficiency to improve profitability has produced, in general, a glut of potential product with no potential buyers. Obviously there are exceptions but this is the general case. Why should businesses expand and add more workers when then can't sell everything they can produce now?

(2) The problem is not so much retiring workers as workers who can't retire and are not making way for new graduates entering the work force. This is a problem in almost every western country. By far the highest unemployment rate is of young people.

(3) As for Social Security, back in the early 80s, when the federal government actually tried to accomplish things rather than just play politics,Congress "fixed" Social Security. They only made one mistake. They assumed that the same percentage of income would be subject to Social Security taxes in the future as was in the past, about 21% I believe. However, the income inequality that has occurred since then has caused the percentage of income subject to SS taxes to drop to about 19%. The solution, raise the SS limit to get back to 21%, is mathematically simple but politically hard.

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Postby Dread Lady Nathicana » Thu May 29, 2014 8:44 am

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The argument is also a gross oversimplification as it suggests abortions prevented viable functioning tax paying adults.


Usually, the people are aborted are children of the poor, the criminally-prone, the unfit parents. And thank god for this, too. If every pregnancy that ever occurred in every ghetto led to a birth, then we'd be a dealing with a serious crime problem and feel the strain on our resources.

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Postby Norstal » Thu May 29, 2014 9:06 am

Satanic Socialist States wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Tell me by what scientific standard a fetus is equivalent. Is an acorn equivalent to a tree?

No an acorn is not a tree. When I say that it makes sense, when I say an acorn is not an oak, then I am saying something unfathomably inane.

It's a developing human. You don't call a house under construction a "house", so I don't see the point here.
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Postby Valica » Thu May 29, 2014 10:15 am

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Usually, the people are aborted are children of the poor, the criminally-prone, the unfit parents. And thank god for this, too. If every pregnancy that ever occurred in every ghetto led to a birth, then we'd be a dealing with a serious crime problem and feel the strain on our resources.

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 29, 2014 10:24 am

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Dread Lady Nathicana wrote:Troll elsewhere. We're just about done with you doing it here. *** 7 day ban *** on account. You are on your last legs.


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Either way, I'm glad I won't see him for a week.

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Postby Indira » Thu May 29, 2014 11:28 am

New Holy Germania wrote:
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Where did I ever say I wanted to kill people?

How is environmentalism edgy?

Hey you may be a dumb ass but at least w
You're not a feminist slut


-Claims not to be mysoginistic-

-Calls femminists sluts-

Contradiction in terms.

As for the OP, a vastly oversimplified argument that ignores the fact that the world's population is increasing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu May 29, 2014 11:46 am

Indira wrote:
New Holy Germania wrote:Hey you may be a dumb ass but at least w
You're not a feminist slut

-Claims not to be mysoginistic-

-Calls femminists sluts-

Contradiction in terms.

As for the OP, a vastly oversimplified argument that ignores the fact that the world's population is increasing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

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Postby Farnhamia » Thu May 29, 2014 11:48 am

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Indira wrote:-Claims not to be mysoginistic-

-Calls femminists sluts-

Contradiction in terms.

As for the OP, a vastly oversimplified argument that ignores the fact that the world's population is increasing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

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From the internet? No. He did earn himself three days off. Let's not give him more attention than he's already had by discussing his shortcomings, shall we?
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu May 29, 2014 12:05 pm

Can do, sergeant. Can do.
CVT Temp wrote:I mean, we can actually create a mathematical definition for evolution in terms of the evolutionary algorithm and then write code to deal with abstract instances of evolution, which basically equates to mathematical proof that evolution works. All that remains is to show that biological systems replicate in such a way as to satisfy the minimal criteria required for evolution to apply to them, something which has already been adequately shown time and again. At this point, we've pretty much proven that not only can evolution happen, it pretty much must happen since it's basically impossible to prevent it from happening.

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Hurdegaryp wrote:Can do, sergeant. Can do.

That's better. NOW DROP AND GIVE ME 20!
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Postby Terra Sector Union » Thu May 29, 2014 12:19 pm

My main reason against abortion is that it will kill our manpower in the long term. I am sick of these methods of depopulating Mankind.

Why do these progressives support legalization of drugs? Freedom to live your own lifestyle? Maybe, but drugs weaken people. I have proof that drugs cause death.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/d ... un-report/
Anyone who even tries to deny this is simply trying to defend their drug addiction.
The same applies to the already legal and socially acceptable tobacco and alcohol usage.

Euthanasia? Kill off your old folks. People that actually don't deserve to die unlike criminals (Progressives oppose Death penalty). How is getting euthanised by suicide pills faster than an inmate getting executed by lethal injection? It doesn't make sense.

As mentioned before, Abortion denies the human right to exist. A method to depopulate the Earth.

Homosexuals either donate their sperm or reproduce with the opposite sex. A 100% homosexual lifestyle could lower the population. Almost everything the Progressives are for is a plan to kill off Humanity.
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Postby Mavorpen » Thu May 29, 2014 12:28 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:My main reason against abortion is that it will kill our manpower in the long term. I am sick of these methods of depopulating Mankind.

No one cares.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why do these progressives support legalization of drugs? Freedom to live your own lifestyle? Maybe, but drugs weaken people. I have proof that drugs cause death.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/d ... un-report/

Why do these progressives support legalization of pools? Freedom to life your own lifestyle? Maybe, but pools weaken people. I have proof that pools cause death.
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/201 ... s_666.html
Terra Sector Union wrote:Anyone who even tries to deny this is simply trying to defend their drug addiction.

Anyone who even tries to deny this is simply trying to defend their pool addiction.
Terra Sector Union wrote:The same applies to the already legal and socially acceptable tobacco and alcohol usage.

The same applies to the already legal and socially acceptable boating usage.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Euthanasia? Kill off your old folks. People that actually don't deserve to die unlike criminals (Progressives oppose Death penalty). How is getting euthanised by suicide pills faster than an inmate getting executed by lethal injection? It doesn't make sense.

You might want to actually do research on the death penalty. It's a long and tedious process, and for a reason.
Terra Sector Union wrote:As mentioned before, Abortion denies the human right to exist. A method to depopulate the Earth.

Freedom to donate organs or not denies the human right to exist. A method to depopulate the Earth.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Homosexuals either donate their sperm or reproduce with the opposite sex. A 100% homosexual lifestyle could lower the population. Almost everything the Progressives are for is a plan to kill off Humanity.

Quote anyone supporting a 100% homosexual population. Go ahead. I'll wait.
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Postby Chestaan » Thu May 29, 2014 12:28 pm

This reminds me of the point that Stephen Levitt made in Freakonomics. Basically he claimed that the crime rate had reduced because of abortion. He didn't make that point based on anything ideological, he just observed the numbers and that was his conclusion.
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Postby Hurdegaryp » Thu May 29, 2014 12:33 pm

Terra Sector Union wrote:-snip-

Oh, please. Are you blind to the truth? The world population is still growing, kid.
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Postby Llamalandia » Thu May 29, 2014 1:25 pm

Shilya wrote:I don't see abortions causing this.

If you want an explanation, look at birth control instead. Around that time, the pill as reliable birth control for women was introduced.


Yeah, this largely covers it. Could abortion have made a small dent? Sure. Did it contribute anywhere near the level of what contraception did? of course not. Plus there's a myriad of other factors at work here as well. :)

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Postby Llamalandia » Thu May 29, 2014 1:27 pm

Hurdegaryp wrote:
Indira wrote:-Claims not to be mysoginistic-

-Calls femminists sluts-

Contradiction in terms.

As for the OP, a vastly oversimplified argument that ignores the fact that the world's population is increasing. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_growth

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Wow, seriously lol. You don't like what others have to say so the solution is to silence them all? I don't think that really falls in the category of "good ideas". I mean, sure I may not entirely agree with him or you for that matter doesn't mean i want to see you erased from the internet though. :)

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Postby Benuty » Thu May 29, 2014 5:50 pm

Edlichbury wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

Because a fetus is not a human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_mFmFCFWtE
Debatable :P.
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Postby MERIZoC » Thu May 29, 2014 5:54 pm

Benuty wrote:
Edlichbury wrote:Because a fetus is not a human.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_mFmFCFWtE
Debatable :P.

What the hell?

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Postby Viritica » Thu May 29, 2014 6:11 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
Terra Sector Union wrote:My main reason against abortion is that it will kill our manpower in the long term. I am sick of these methods of depopulating Mankind.

No one cares.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Why do these progressives support legalization of drugs? Freedom to live your own lifestyle? Maybe, but drugs weaken people. I have proof that drugs cause death.
http://www.drugfree.org/join-together/d ... un-report/

Why do these progressives support legalization of pools? Freedom to life your own lifestyle? Maybe, but pools weaken people. I have proof that pools cause death.
http://www.realclearpolicy.com/blog/201 ... s_666.html
Terra Sector Union wrote:Anyone who even tries to deny this is simply trying to defend their drug addiction.

Anyone who even tries to deny this is simply trying to defend their pool addiction.
Terra Sector Union wrote:The same applies to the already legal and socially acceptable tobacco and alcohol usage.

The same applies to the already legal and socially acceptable boating usage.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Euthanasia? Kill off your old folks. People that actually don't deserve to die unlike criminals (Progressives oppose Death penalty). How is getting euthanised by suicide pills faster than an inmate getting executed by lethal injection? It doesn't make sense.

You might want to actually do research on the death penalty. It's a long and tedious process, and for a reason.
Terra Sector Union wrote:As mentioned before, Abortion denies the human right to exist. A method to depopulate the Earth.

Freedom to donate organs or not denies the human right to exist. A method to depopulate the Earth.
Terra Sector Union wrote:Homosexuals either donate their sperm or reproduce with the opposite sex. A 100% homosexual lifestyle could lower the population. Almost everything the Progressives are for is a plan to kill off Humanity.

Quote anyone supporting a 100% homosexual population. Go ahead. I'll wait.

Clearly this is all part of the evil homosexual conspiracy to destroy humanity.

Cause pigeon hole logic.
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