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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Wed May 28, 2014 11:11 am

Viritica wrote:If abortion destroyed the economy I want facts and statistics from reliable unbiased sources.


He's just basing his assertions upon historical interpretation.

The truth is that, while elderly care is going to be a problem from our generation, and we may see how well the Social Security system handles the stress within the next decade or so, it doesn't mean an economic collapse.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed May 28, 2014 11:24 am

We need open immigration.
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Postby Viritica » Wed May 28, 2014 11:27 am

Pope Joan wrote:We need open immigration.

No, we don't.
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Postby Novorobo » Wed May 28, 2014 11:43 am

The fewer babies born, the fewer new workers... but also the fewer people who those fewer workers need to produce for.

And when you take the limitations of the natural world into account, that's arguably more efficient than a high-population economy.
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Postby Pope Joan » Wed May 28, 2014 11:47 am

If we need more population, but some do not want to make babies, then why not just turn to immigration? Although I hear more Mexicans now want to leave the US than to immigrate hear, which is amusing. I can only think of two objections: Labor "It will dilute the labor pool and lessen our economic value when we bargain."
Capital "It will do away with the cheap labor we get via 'contractors' who, with our implicit knowledge, hire illegals."
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Postby Trezchoix » Wed May 28, 2014 2:44 pm

Mavorpen wrote:
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but when does it become human? by scientific standards doesn't become human the minute of fertilization of the egg?

I don't give a shit. That has nothing to do with the fact they aren't babies. Call them what they actually are: fetuses.



but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?
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Postby Othelos » Wed May 28, 2014 2:59 pm

The OP is BS because 1) the Am. workforce is still expanding and 2) the number of births dropped mostly because of birth control.

Abortion is not destroying the economy.
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Postby Islamic republiq of Julundar » Wed May 28, 2014 3:05 pm

Novorobo wrote:The fewer babies born, the fewer new workers... but also the fewer people who those fewer workers need to produce for.

And when you take the limitations of the natural world into account, that's arguably more efficient than a high-population economy.

When the economy is good, then more babies = more workers = more work is done.
When the economy is shite then more babies = more mouths to feed = more people to steal our jobs and our houses and our women.

OP asserts more babies => good economy:
I assert good economy => more babies.

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Postby Mavorpen » Wed May 28, 2014 3:09 pm

Trezchoix wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't give a shit. That has nothing to do with the fact they aren't babies. Call them what they actually are: fetuses.



but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

Quite easily.

It's the same reason the government doesn't force you to donate organs.
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Postby Geilinor » Wed May 28, 2014 3:13 pm

Having more children than you can support is not a good idea.
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Postby Ashmoria » Wed May 28, 2014 3:15 pm

Trezchoix wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't give a shit. That has nothing to do with the fact they aren't babies. Call them what they actually are: fetuses.



but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

because women have rights too.
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Postby Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 3:42 pm

Geilinor wrote:Having more children than you can support is not a good idea.

For some reason I thought you said "that".
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Postby Islamic republiq of Julundar » Wed May 28, 2014 3:44 pm

Ashmoria wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

because women have rights too.

Women have rights ? :blink:
Are you some kind of Communist? :blink:
You will be saying that women are People next.
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Postby Icamera » Wed May 28, 2014 4:01 pm

Roski wrote:
We all know the story. We killed Hitler, then everyone went home and had (lots of) babies.

The Baby Boomer Period, or, to better explain
The term "baby boom" most often refers to the post–World War II baby boom (1946–1964) when the number of annual births exceeded 2 per 100 women (or approximately 2% of the total population size). There are an estimated 78.3 million Americans who were born during this demographic boom in births.

So what does that have to do with the economy?

Well, we all believe that the President rules the economy with an iron fist. I have seen many people think that on the forums. That, is horseshit.

Those 78.3 million Americans are now retiring (or dead already, but they really don't effect the economy anymore), and no longer in the workforce. For better or for worse, Social Security now pays them. So why does that matter?

Well, 78.3 million workers is a lot, almost the entire population of Germany. But still, abortion doesn't seem to play in.

Well, the Abortion movement started in 1973 (Hey Roski, stfu, you don't know what you are talking about, some random ass movement nine years after your damn point), meaning that instead of making babies, they were terminating pregnancies more.
This also means that there would be no baby boom after Vietnam as well. So now, you don't have enough people to replace the workforce of 78 MILLION people. That is why the economy is collapsing.

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Sorry, but you're cherrypicking one small cause of America's demographic shift. Contraceptives and cultural changes (for example, increases in the number of working women, who are less likely to want children) are what really accounted for the decreased birth rates of today.
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Postby Shaggai » Wed May 28, 2014 4:51 pm

Trezchoix wrote:
Mavorpen wrote:I don't give a shit. That has nothing to do with the fact they aren't babies. Call them what they actually are: fetuses.



but how can someone cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and abort a baby?

The same way that they can cry that healthcare is a right to all humans and not support mandatory blood, bone marrow, and kidney donations.
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Postby Shnercropolis » Wed May 28, 2014 5:34 pm

I would blame people making so many babies and giving us a false sense of security instead of people not making babies to continue our false sense of security.
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Postby Greed and Death » Wed May 28, 2014 5:36 pm

Look we need a larger underclass to do menial things for pittance wages that way I can make more money.
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Postby Benuty » Wed May 28, 2014 5:43 pm

greed and death wrote:Look we need a larger underclass to do menial things for pittance wages that way I can make more money.

Aren't we too busy killing them off in useless wars to control our pets population?
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Postby Nazi Flower Power » Thu May 29, 2014 2:03 am

New Holy Germania wrote:Abortion disn't cause this economic collapse but it contributes. People allow abortions and are against/ignore/for it but it causes a psychological factor. We realize we kill the closest thing to a baby, if not a baby-for it feels pain and thinks. Science even backs this up. Biologically they are human. We say they aren't a person. Jews were once not people. Blacks were once not people. We realize or don't realize the hypocrisy of our situation as it being equal rights yet killing nannies to appease whores and monsters. We realize this that we murder millions upon millions and nothing happens. It causes a tick tock in society. People move away from sanity. We don't care as much and the corrupt seize power. Corruption causes more chaos and crime. There are no legitimate exercises for abortions except to save the mother's life and most if not all of the time she chooses her baby's life in place of her own. You may be for abortion but ask yourself this, what if your parents wanted you to be aborted? Hmm? Also as an Israeli who has relatives die fir the French Resistance, U.S. Army and Marines, and had members killed in the German Army because they weren't considered people is different from aborted fetuses, but it's pretty darn fucking close.Just think that my relatives died fighting for Hitler's dream by Hitler himself because they weren't PEOPLE! Tells you who's on your side, huh. When the day comes unroll the next PEOPLE aren't considered PEOPLE I don't know. So, is a fetus not being a "person" a valid excuse to painfully slaughter it you brood of voters! You hypocritical fools! You have doomed us all to hell!


If you're going to bring Nazis into it, you should mention that we are anti-abortion. Abortion is a Jewish ploy to destroy the German race.
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Postby Valica » Thu May 29, 2014 5:43 am

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If you're going to bring Nazis into it, you should mention that we are anti-abortion. Abortion is a Jewish ploy to destroy the German race.


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Valica wrote:
Nazi Flower Power wrote:If you're going to bring Nazis into it, you should mention that we are anti-abortion. Abortion is a Jewish ploy to destroy the German race.

Oh, my God... fuck off.

People have been saying that to him for quite a while now. Unfortunately he just won't comply.
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Postby Republic of Coldwater » Thu May 29, 2014 7:10 am

I don't think it'll be as bad as what happened to Japan when the new workforce was substantially smaller than the previous one, but the economy will take a hit. I guess that with the rapid development of technology, many jobs that previously required humans now don't need humans, and the price of these technologies are decreasing as microchips are becoming cheaper and cheaper. With a populace that values higher education, we won't see a big hit, but the robots won't be able to overtake a smaller workforce, but they will mitigate the problems.

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Postby Satanic Socialist States » Thu May 29, 2014 7:30 am

We givh dem damn wimminz rihts den dey dastroy teh economy!
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Postby Assorted Sucrose-Based Lifeforms » Thu May 29, 2014 7:55 am

greed and death wrote:Look we need a larger underclass to do menial things for pittance wages that way I can make more money.

Agreed.

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