Interactive map/study shows that 1 billion are antisemitic.

[The 54th Squadron]

I'm actually a bit surprised by the percentage in the US. I have quite a few friends that are rather anti-semitic that I have to hit every once in awhile to make them stop.

[Persivis]

That doesn't make it okay, though, now does it. All irrational hatred and stereotyping should end, as far off into the future that is.

Genocidal dictators will just grow to hate whatever is the largest or most convenient minority for them to convince people to hate, that I agree with you on.

It won't go away easily. It's part of what we are, for better or worse. It's not even necessarily a bad thing, because it has its root in our herd sense, so to speak - tribal instincts, defending our group against outside threats. Building a sense of community, of belonging together with your kind. That's a good thing, but it can be abused to exclude and persecute those that are not directly part of your community.

It doesn't only show itself on the grand scale. Sports fans, console wars, political parties and ideologies, same mechanism every time. Us against Them, group competition. Would it be nice if people could keep their sense of community without excluding irrationally? Sure, but that's unfortunatly just not how we are, we are emotional and irrational, we build ourselves idendities, seek out those with similar idendities and not those with different ones. Amplify one of those idendities with propaganda and you've got a recipy for disaster.

This fatalistic attitude is ridiculous however. Hatred towards minorities can be eliminated, as even the most rabid and ridiculous fan or "consoler" would not support a genocide against the other team. Hatred towards political, religious, and ethnic minorities is the problem...because too many societies and cultures have said that it is not only okay for someone to fell that way, but they should act upon it.

The majority of the world, as you can see, do not irrationally hate Jews. The appeal to nature stops working when you realize you cannot classify all humans as emotional and irrational wrecks, there is no evidence to support that. What can be supported, is that genocidal regimes are to more successfully exploit ignorant stereotypes and assert and appeal to authority then they are in eliminating it. There a lot of things you can make people do voluntarily, it does not mean it is some inherent natural mechanism.

[Othelos]

I don't think anti-Semitism is on the rise in Western Europe. Then again, I haven't been there since last summer.

If people from Islamic countries are immigrating to western Europe, it makes sense that antisemitic belief is being imported. Jews being generally not welcome in said Muslim majority countries. The Jews that do remain, are more often than not reduced to a Dhimmi status.

Muslims are still a pretty small minority in Western Europe.

[Othelos]

As a Jew, this makes me feel uncomfortable. I did not think almost 1/4 of the world did not like me!

I know how you feel.

[Shilya]

This fatalistic attitude is ridiculous however. Hatred towards minorities can be eliminated, as even the most rabid and ridiculous fan or "consoler" would not support a genocide against the other team. Hatred towards political, religious, and ethnic minorities is the problem...because too many societies and cultures have said that it is not only okay for someone to fell that way, but they should act upon it.

Apparently you've never met hooligans. That said, that's because sports is still understood to be competition, at the most basic level, and even when they do get violent, it's to prove themselves better, in a crazy way.
Hatred towards minorities can be eliminated? Well... that happened where? I'd love to see those people who live without hate for anyone. The hatred doesn't exist because societies and cultures said it's good to do so. The oppposition exists and is them amplified into hate with skillful demagogy and propaganda. Look at how the shift from Czarist Russia to Soviet Russia went.

The majority of the world, as you can see, do not irrationally hate Jews. The appeal to nature stops working when you realize you cannot classify all humans as emotional and irrational wrecks, there is no evidence to support that. What can be supported, is that genocidal regimes are to more successfully exploit ignorant stereotypes and assert and appeal to authority then they are in eliminating it. There a lot of things you can make people do voluntarily, it does not mean it is some inherent natural mechanism.

I didn't say they're wrecks. I said humans are emotional and irrational. That's not really up to debate. Neither is the potential for abuse. An emotional person can be made angry, a good part of the media lives off that. An irrational persons actions can be directed, casinos make a killing with that.

I'm not saying genocide is an inherent mechanism. I'm saying group dynamics are, and they can be abused. Nature never accounted for Goebbels.

[The Liberated Territories]

Jews are awesome! I don't understand how so many people deny the awesomeness of the Jews...

[Persivis]

Apparently you've never met hooligans. That said, that's because sports is still understood to be competition, at the most basic level, and even when they do get violent, it's to prove themselves better, in a crazy way.

I've met some yes. Douchebags many of them may be, I could never see any of them getting to the point whe ethey would kill. Because it is a stupid rivalry that no ridiculous "justification" could lead to them to killing.
Hatred towards minorities can be eliminHatred towards minorities can be eliminated? Well... that happened where? I'd love to see those people who live without hate for anyone.[/quote]
There are plenty, unless you think not a single person lives without sweeping, mass hatred.
Hatred towards minorities can be eliminThe hatred doesn't exist because societies and cultures said it's good to do so.[/quote]
Most people bar sociopaths do not think genocide or mass hatred because someone is foreign is ok.
Hatred towards minorities can be eliminThe oppposition exists and is them amplified into hate with skillful demagogy and propaganda. Look at how the shift from Czarist Russia to Soviet Russia went.[/quote]Yeah, and both side had leaders who flat out said all opponents should be shot. That is not exactly promoting tolerance.

I didn't say they're wrecks. I said humans are emotional and irrational. That's not really up to debate.

Yeah, it is, or else the philosophy of rationalism would not exist, advanced mathematics would not exist, atheism would be extremely rare, and various other things entirely based on pure logic would not exist.

Neither is the potential for abuse. An emotional person can be made angry, a good part of the media lives off that. An irrational persons actions can be directed, casinos make a killing with that.

You really have yet to prove this. People like Hitler exist in most every society, lots of factors have to be present for them to take over. Most of Europe did not like Jews before Hitler, too many supported something terrible. But they didn't all become Nazi Germanys because most people were rational and logical.

I'm not saying genocide is an inherent mechanism. I'm saying group dynamics are, and they can be abused. Nature never accounted for Goebbels.

Nature never accounted for anything. It just happened.

[Senyosu]

As Saruhan said, defamation league.

Now, Islamophobia... i want to see those numbers.

[Regnum Dominae]

As Saruhan said, defamation league.

Now, Islamophobia... i want to see those numbers.

This study also polled opinion of Muslims. It's in the "Attitudes towards religious groups" tab for any country.

For example, the USA:

JEWS
77%
Favorable
6%
Unfavorable
17%
Can't Rate

MUSLIMS
51%
Favorable
24%
Unfavorable
25%
Can't Rate

CHRISTIANS
85%
Favorable
6%
Unfavorable
9%
Can't Rate

HINDUS
56%
Favorable
12%
Unfavorable
31%
Can't Rate

BUDDHISTS
59%
Favorable
12%
Unfavorable
29%
Can't Rate

[Shilya]

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[...] Quoting failure erasing most of the discussion and I'm already tired of this discussion anyways. We don't even talk about the same things.

[Dagnia]

I'm almost shocked that Iran had the lowest percentage in the ME/NAfrica Category.

I'm not. It's probably because the government is so anti-Israel and anti-semitic that the people are a bit more friendly towards Jews. Though I dislike my own government as it is, if they threw me in jail for making a video dancing to foreign music, I would question it even more.

[Libertarian California]

Oh vey it's like anothah Shoah! You didn't forget about the 6 trillion, right goyim?

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Jesus Christ, when will this shit stop? Every time some trend is noticed, some hipster has to comment on how it's "1930s Europe all over again!" and that "You know, this is why Hitler came to power!"

[Pagan Hungary]

Anti-Zionism does not equate to anti-Semitism, I'm sure a lot of the high percentage nations have their own reasoning which we can't understand if we aren't from their country. Who cares if people are anti-semitic, so many people have prejudices and biases that when you constantly state it and complain it makes everyone apathetic; this in my own experience especially.

[Risottia]

A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.

A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

[Nazi Flower Power]

A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.

A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.

http://global100.adl.org/

Honestly, as a Jew, this is scary. Also, with the rise of antisemitic parties in the EU, it is even scarier.
The fact that age-old stereotypes about Jewish power, loyalty, influence in business etc are still alive and well, and growing is just insane.
On the bright side, it was good to see that the majority are not anti semitic.

I am thoroughly confused about the rise of antisemitism in W. Europe - I expect it in the Arab world, but not in Europe.. are people going to lash out at Jews again due to economic problems? 69% are antisemitic in Greece!

What are your thoughts on this? Why is antisemitism on the rise in Western Europe? Do you think it truly is on the rise?

We already had a thread about this study. I'd take these numbers with a grain of salt because sometimes ADL does not understand the difference between antisemitism and anti-Israeli sentiments.

Some of the questions on the survey are open to interpretation, so you would have to ask people to explain their answer to determine if they are truly antisemitic or if they just interpreted the question differently from the way it was intended. For example, one question asks if Jews should stop talking so much about the Holocaust. There are many contexts where it's perfectly acceptable and reasonable for Jews to talk about the Holocaust, but there are also times when people bring up the Holocaust in inappropriate ways -- such as using it to defend Israel in a discussion of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. That's a lot different than telling your friends about your family history or writing a book about the Holocaust just to educate people about what happened. If someone has recently been in an argument where someone used the Holocaust to promote a political agenda, they might be more predisposed to say Jews need to stop talking about it; whereas someone who interprets the question as asking about personal stories and historical education would be more likely to say it's OK for Jews to talk about the Holocaust.

The one about Jewish control of the media is also problematic. It's a fact that Jews have a disproportionate influence on the media. That doesn't mean there's some sinister Jewish conspiracy purposely brainwashing the public. Jews aren't a hivemind and most of them are decent people, but everyone has their biases. Even if the Jews who work in the media have good intentions and are trying to be fair, they are still approaching things from a particular point of view, and there are other points of view that are not getting their fair share of airtime. So I would answer that yes, Jews have too much control of the media -- but that doesn't necessarily mean you, as a Jew, have done anything wrong. It's sort of like the distribution of wealth in the US: white people tend to control more wealth than black people, and the inequality is not good, but it doesn't mean every white person you meet is part of some racist conspiracy to keep money away from blacks.

I do understand why ADL put that question on the survey, because control of the media is something a lot of antisemites rant about. I just think they sometimes fail to consider the variety of opinions that people can hold and the variety of reasons why someone might answer "yes" to a particular question.

As to why antisemitism is on the rise in Europe: a lot of it has to do with immigration from the Middle East. First off, because there is antisemitism in the Middle East and some of the immigrants bring that with them. And secondly, because culture clash between the natives and the immigrants has fueled the growth of right-wing nationalist political parties, and those types of parties are breeding grounds for antisemitic stupidity.

[Nazi Flower Power]

A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.

A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

They're using "antisemitic" to mean anti-Jewish, which is normal usage even if it's not the most etymologically logical. Kind of like most homophobes don't literally have a phobia of gays, but people still continue to use the word "homophobia."

[Nazi Flower Power]

Before we jump to the conclusion that anti-antisemitism is on the rise, I think we need to examine what the group that made the survey consider antisemitic. There are lots of groups that say that being unfavorable to Israel is anti-antisemitism.

The respondents are presented with these eleven statements:

Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/to the countries they live in]
Jews have too much power in the business world
Jews have too much power in international financial markets
Jews still talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust
Jews don't care what happens to anyone but their own kind
Jews have too much control over global affairs
Jews have too much control over the United States government
Jews think they are better than other people
Jews have too much control over the global media
Jews are responsible for most of the world's wars
People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave

Those who respond "probably true" (the possible responses are "probably true" and "probably false") to at least 6 of the 11 are considered "anti-semitic" for the purposes of the survey.

I did look at the survey, but missed the part where it took 6 answers to get you labeled "antisemitic." That is actually not unreasonable. There are plenty of reasons why someone might agree with a few of those statements, but 6 is a lot...

[Socialist Tera]

Anti-antisemitism is evil. Most people who hate jewish people probably haven't meet one.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

What is it about the European Left that makes it so shitty about this issue?

"Uh well I don't think Arabs can be antisemitic, because actually if you look at it uh you see they are semites so really aha gotcha"

[Baltenstein]

A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.

A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

The term "Antisemitism" was coined in the 19th century and was always exclusively referring to Jews.

[Risottia]

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

What is it about the European Left that makes it so shitty about this issue?
"Uh well I don't think Arabs can be antisemitic, because actually if you look at it uh you see they are semites so really aha gotcha"

I think you should take Strawman Building 101 again. You're not really cutting it.

The term "Antisemitism" was coined in the 19th century and was always exclusively referring to Jews.

So, argument by tradition: we know it's broken but we aren't going to fix it.

The use of "antisemitism" to refer to hostility to Jews (or Israel) is nowadays a form of weaseling, tracing its roots in an era and a location (XIX century Europe) where the only major Semitic group was the Jews. Today we see a lot of hostility to Jews which isn't coupled with hostility to all other Semites, hence the term "antisemitism" for "hostility to Jews" is quite evidently biased - and it's used to deny the fact that Arabs are Semites, too - so to perpetuate a "us vs them" mentality in the Israeli-Arab conflict. If we accept that Arabs are Semites, too, then hostility to Arabs is a form of antisemitism, too - and you can find a lot of it between Europeans, Israelis, Turks, and even Iranians, just saying.

Why don't we just call the hostility to Jews with a more appropriate term, like "antijudaism"? And the hostility to the State of Israel as "antizionism" or "anti-israelism"? Mixing up terms has a negative contribution to proper understanding, which in turn makes us less effective in fighting against ethnical hate and discrimination.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

The use of "antisemitism" to refer to hostility to Jews (or Israel) is nowadays a form of weaseling.

It's a very, very accepted term.

The only people who talk about antisemitism in terms of anti-Arab sentiment are tedious lefties who want to tap into the same depth of feeling that exists about the Holocaust and so on by hijacking a term that already exists and has meant one thing since its inception, with the weak reasoning that "uh actually Arabs are Semites too guys".

I'd argue that antisemitism as definitely meaning anti-Jewish sentiment was really cemented by people like Hannah Arendt's work in the immediate post-War period.

Yes, Arabs are Semites. Antisemitism is not the term that has been used to discuss anti-Arab sentiment in the past, and I don't think there's a groundswell of opinion to make it mean that. Most attempts to do so come off as, you guessed it, antisemitic.

Both groups' histories, including their tragedies are valid, and they are both interwoven, but trying to form them into one coherent idea despite the very different realities for both groups isn't going to help anything.

If you want to make some kind of point about how hostility to people makes you X, well perhaps the proper thing to do is to call all these instances human rights abuses, because I'm sure we can all get behind humans as a notion.

[Risottia]

The use of "antisemitism" to refer to hostility to Jews (or Israel) is nowadays a form of weaseling.

It's a very, very accepted term.

Because consensus = good, right?
Hence, by your own criterium, antisemitism in the Middle East = good.

The only people who talk about antisemitism in terms of anti-Arab sentiment are tedious lefties ...

Translation: "You don't agree with me hence you're BOOORING and a COMMMIIIEEEE".

Antisemitism is not the term that has been used to discuss anti-Arab sentiment in the past, and I don't think there's a groundswell of opinion to make it mean that. Most attempts to do so come off as, you guessed it, antisemitic.

"You don't agree with me hence you're BOOORING and a COMMMIIIEEEE and YOU HATE JEWS". The levels of cogence of the above argument are more and more stunning.

well perhaps the proper thing to do is to call all these instances human rights abuses, because I'm sure we can all get behind humans as a notion.

Eh. Maybe the dawn of reason isn't that far. Carry on, soldier.

[Benuty]

You know I feel Murkwood made a thread on this.

[Benuty]

A recent poll of over 100 countries has found that 24% of the world's population have antisemitic views.

A map shows each country/region's antisemitic rating and which questions they answered.

That map looks like bullshit. 74% antisemites in the Middle-East... a region where the vast majority is Semitic.
Basically, they're self-deprecating a lot.

For some reason I though though you said "Self defecating".