NationStates

I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).

Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).

Good to know the Romans apparently are Semites.

The fuck is wrong with people?

Risottia wrote:

Allet Klar Chefs wrote:It's a very, very accepted term.

Because consensus = good, right?
Hence, by your own criterium, antisemitism in the Middle East = good.

No.

Clarity of expression requires that there is consensus on the meaning of words. Remember your Kant here.

"Antisemitism" as a term has been specifically about Jews for a long time now, and if you bring it up, people aren't going to think "oh yeah that anti-Arab thing", its a term used in a context involving the persecution of Jewish people.

That is not the same as saying consensus on all matters is good, or that the status quo is always the way forwards. But I think that on this issue, there is no particularly good case for change.

Rephesus wrote:

Blakk Metal wrote:It seems that the US is the least antisemitic country in the world.

Nah. They didn't survey Israel

Edit: And the Philippines is only 3% compared to the US' 9%.

So cute. My country is even less antisemitic than USA.

Antisemitism has been around forever, so I don't see it ever leaving our society, personally.

Seems like the numbers are probably inflated by conflating lack of support for Israel with hatred of Jews.

That's the kind of dishonesty you would come to expect from the damn-

*whacked over head by ADL representative*

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seems like the numbers are probably inflated by conflating lack of support for Israel with hatred of Jews.

That's the kind of dishonesty you would come to expect from the damn-

*whacked over head by ADL representative*

israel is only a small part of the survey questions, and even then half of it is more "do you think jews are more loyal to israel than here"

As I like to say "Getting "facts" about anti-Semitism from ADL is like getting "facts" about slavery from Jefferson Davis."

Alyakia wrote:

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Seems like the numbers are probably inflated by conflating lack of support for Israel with hatred of Jews.

That's the kind of dishonesty you would come to expect from the damn-

*whacked over head by ADL representative*

israel is only a small part of the survey questions, and even then half of it is more "do you think jews are more loyal to israel than here"

Isn't it a little bit of a trap asking people to generalize and then declaring them all bigots?

I don't think anti-Semitism is on the rise, unfortunately I think it has always been there, just lurking in the background so to speak. The numbers could also as I've seen stated on here be influenced by the issues in Israel and what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza and people turning their hatred of Israel and Zionism into anti-Semitism, which is never a good thing.

Personally I blame the Israeli government for what is happening in the West Bank and Gaza, not the Jews, I'm quite surprised by the percentages if I'm honest something doesn't seem quite right about the 27% in Germany and the high numbers in the Nordic countries. The high percentage in Belgium also surprised me, but with the recent killing it is plausible that the number in Belgium might be correct.

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:

Alyakia wrote:
israel is only a small part of the survey questions, and even then half of it is more "do you think jews are more loyal to israel than here"

Isn't it a little bit of a trap asking people to generalize and then declaring them all bigots?

if you think jews are all secretly beholden to their israeli masters and also run all the business and media and only are about themselves have too much control over world affairs and can you please shut up about the holocaust already not that i am completely sure it even happened there does come a point where "habours some anti-semetic views" becomes an entirely accurate description of you.

they weren't wickedly trapped by the wily jew into seeing "Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars." and ticking "Probably true"

Alyakia wrote:

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:Isn't it a little bit of a trap asking people to generalize and then declaring them all bigots?

if you think jews are all secretly beholden to their israeli masters and also run all the business and media and only are about themselves have too much control over world affairs and can you please shut up about the holocaust already not that i am completely sure it even happened there does come a point where "habours some anti-semetic views" becomes an entirely accurate description of you.

Woah woah woah, that is a very long and very accusatory sentence. What I'm saying here is that support for Israel, which was counted on this survey, is not necessarily the only thing between people and anti-semitism.

And the edit, woah woah woah.

I think it's a bit much to question my lack of hatred for the Jewish people based on my doubt that an ADL survey was completely uninflated by questions that didn't work.

Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).

Those questions don't seem very biased. Were there more?

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:

Alyakia wrote:
if you think jews are all secretly beholden to their israeli masters and also run all the business and media and only are about themselves have too much control over world affairs and can you please shut up about the holocaust already not that i am completely sure it even happened there does come a point where "habours some anti-semetic views" becomes an entirely accurate description of you.

Woah woah woah, that is a very long and very accusatory sentence. What I'm saying here is that support for Israel, which was counted on this survey, is not necessarily the only thing between people and anti-semitism.

the main set of 11 questions were

1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to [this country/the countries they live in].
2) Jews have too much power in the business world.
3) Jews have too much power in international
financial markets.
4) Jews don’t care about what happens to anyone but their own kind.
5) Jews have too much control over global affairs.
6) People hate Jews because of the way Jews behave.
7) Jews think they are better than other people.
8) Jews have too much control over the United States government.
9) Jews have too much control over the global media.
10) Jews still
talk too much about what happened to them in the Holocaust.
11) Jews are responsible for most of the world’s wars

also some stuff about the holocaust.

the only israel related questions were

In your opinion, is the violence directed against your country’s Jews a result of anti-Jewish sentiment or anti-Israel sentiment? (After questions about violence against Jews in the respondents country)
Now I am going to read you some countries and places. Please tell me if you are favorable or unfavorable towards that country and place. (spoilers: the places are israel and palestine)
Do actions taken by the state of Israel influence your opinions about Jews, or do they not influence your opinions about Jews?
IF they answer yes to the previous qusetion: Would you say that the actions Israel takes generally give you a better opinion of Jews or a worse opinion of Jews?

yeah. so there's literally one question about supporting israel. compared to a barrage about anti-semetic stereotypes and the holocaust. i think you're over-exaggerated how much the one "do you like israel?" question mattered. infact i'm not sure it even comes up on the sites graphs.

The Re-Frisivisiaing wrote:

Seriong wrote:I went through this study before, there are some issues with it:
You should check the methodology, and definitions. For example, for a while, anyone that was found to not 'support israel' was thought to be an anti-semite.
Lets look at the questions posed:
1) Jews are more loyal to Israel than to this country
Believing this does not make one an anti-semite. In the same way that someone would not be labelled a bigot for saying to another person that they have a loyalty to an out of state college.
2) Jews have too much power in the business world
To label this as anti-semitism would also require anyone saying that men have too much power to be misandrist, that white people have too much power racist. We don't do that, and should at least remain consistent.
3) Jews have too much power in international financial markets
See above
4) Jews talk too much about the holocaust
This would not make someone an anti-semite. Saying that the issue is brought up too often does not imply any sort of hatred or mistrust of Jews.
5) Whether or not "Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus Christ"
This is simply the Biblical story.
6) Whether the surveyed opinion of Jews is influenced by the actions of Israel.
When Israel stops naming itself the homeland of the Jews, and speaking of itself as the Jewish state, this will die down. That's its motivation, not some feeling towards general Jews.
6.5) How it changed their opinion
See above
7) Whether anti-Jewish treatment came from anti-Jewish sentiment, or anti-Israel sentiment
Shouldn't provide any useful indication
8. Is the government doing enough to secure the safety of Jews.
See above
Always check the methodology, especially of something like the ADL, that has a stated agenda (Read: Bias).

Those questions don't seem very biased. Were there more?

http://global100.adl.org/public/ADL_GLO ... NNAIRE.pdf

Didn't I already make a thread on this?

Murkwood wrote:Didn't I already make a thread on this?

Yes that you did infact do.

"I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

- Evelyn Beatrice Hall

Benuty wrote:

Murkwood wrote:Didn't I already make a thread on this?

Yes that you did infact do.

So why do we have this one?

Merizoc wrote:As I like to say "Getting "facts" about anti-Semitism from ADL is like getting "facts" about slavery from Jefferson Davis."

The goyim know. Shut it down.

Murkwood wrote:

Benuty wrote:Yes that you did infact do.

So why do we have this one?

Because somebody doesn't understand that you don't make a second thread on something while the other is still active. Perhaps?

Wind in the Willows wrote:

Murkwood wrote:So why do we have this one?

Because somebody doesn't understand that you don't make a second thread on something while the other is still active. Perhaps?

In truth, I wouldn't say the other is that active anymore,

OP is surprised that Anti-Semitism increases in West Europe.

Tony Blair, minion of the Pope, wrote Immigration Laws so that Refugees from Islamistan would be sent back to be tortured and Terrorists from Islamistan would be welcomed with open arms.

Why is OP surprised that Government does government stuff

Islamic republiq of Julundar wrote:OP is surprised that Anti-Semitism increases in West Europe.

Tony Blair, minion of the Pope, wrote Immigration Laws so that Refugees from Islamistan would be sent back to be tortured and Terrorists from Islamistan would be welcomed with open arms.

Why is OP surprised that Government does government stuff

Given that Phony Dare was not Prime Minister of the UK after leaving and converting to Catholicism your point?

Stahlarev wrote:Too bad most of them haven't even seen a Jew ever.

Islamophobia is about as negative a phenomena as Naziphobia, and a term exclusivey used by fundamentalists, their supporters and anti-Zionist racists.