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by Nova_Ravenna » Tue May 27, 2014 1:20 pm
by JesusOfNazareth » Tue May 27, 2014 1:22 pm
by Ancient Magmia » Tue May 27, 2014 1:23 pm
Viritica wrote:Then you're misinterpreting what she said to better suit your own argument. She was in fact implying that it was a thought crime. Why would she have mentioned it otherwise if it was not at all relevant to what she was saying?
And that is kind of what she's asking for. Objecting to racist jokes or remarks. "Don't say that. It's not very nice."
Viritica wrote:>not made in a lighthearted way
Did you just throw that in yourself to better help your argument?
Also, that commie joke was worn out, oh, years ago. In fact, it was never funny to begin with.
Dear Diary, I'm Having a Little ProblemWise men speak because they have something to say; fools because they have to say something. - Plato
by Fedeledland » Tue May 27, 2014 1:24 pm
by Neutraligon » Tue May 27, 2014 1:32 pm
by The Almighty Bob » Tue May 27, 2014 1:35 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 27, 2014 2:21 pm
Viritica wrote:
Part of her speech:It was then that critics say the first lady veered off into “thoughtcrime,” a term from Orwell’s dystopian novel “1984,” defined as “an instance of unorthodox or controversial thinking, considered as a criminal offense or as socially unacceptable,” according to the Oxford Dictionaries.
“There’s no court case against believing in stereotypes or thinking that certain kinds of hateful jokes or comments are funny. So the answers to many of our challenges today can’t necessarily be found in our laws,” Obama said. “As you go forth, when you encounter folks who still hold the old prejudices because they’ve only been around folks like themselves, when you meet folks who think they know all the answers because they’ve never heard any other viewpoints, it’s up to you to help them see things differently.”
“Maybe that starts simply in your own family, when grandpa tells that off-colored joke at Thanksgiving, or you’ve got an aunt talks about ‘those people’. Well, you can politely inform them that they’re talking about your friends,” Obama continued. “Because this issue is so sensitive, is so complicated, so bound up with a painful history. And we need your generation to help us break through. We need all of you to ask the hard questions and have the honest conversations, because that is the only way we will heal the wounds of the past and move forward to a better future.”
http://rt.com/usa/161752-flotus-students-monitor-parents/
So, thought crimes and political correctness. Yay.
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 27, 2014 2:22 pm
Nova_Ravenna wrote:I don't get where she gets the idea that she can decide what is and is not appropriate for me to think, and then tell my children that they should monitor me to make sure I don't say anything against that. If I wanna sit around all day in a Waffen SS uniform, baking Jew shaped cookies then that's what I'm going to do.
by Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue May 27, 2014 4:17 pm
by Neutraligon » Tue May 27, 2014 4:38 pm
by Nova_Ravenna » Tue May 27, 2014 4:52 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Nova_Ravenna wrote:I don't get where she gets the idea that she can decide what is and is not appropriate for me to think, and then tell my children that they should monitor me to make sure I don't say anything against that. If I wanna sit around all day in a Waffen SS uniform, baking Jew shaped cookies then that's what I'm going to do.
You're right.
Good thing that she didn't actually say that you can't do that.
by Russian Socialist Soviet States » Tue May 27, 2014 4:53 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 27, 2014 4:54 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 27, 2014 4:55 pm
by The Re-Frisivisiaing » Tue May 27, 2014 4:57 pm
by Benuty » Tue May 27, 2014 5:24 pm
by Yumyumsuppertime » Tue May 27, 2014 6:12 pm
Viritica wrote:Neutraligon wrote:
And this means thought police and thought crime and political correctness somehow?
She herself called it a thoughtcrime, or at least implied that it was. What she's talking about here is political correctness. Thought police would be a bit of a stretch, but it's obvious she's trying to snuff out racist remarks and thoughts.
by Farnhamia » Tue May 27, 2014 6:13 pm
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:Viritica wrote:She herself called it a thoughtcrime, or at least implied that it was. What she's talking about here is political correctness. Thought police would be a bit of a stretch, but it's obvious she's trying to snuff out racist remarks and thoughts.
Oh, no. She's trying to snuff out a misguided attitude that has been the motivating factor behind the greatest wrongs ever committed by this nation. She is exhorting people not to do this through governmental action, but through enouraging serious discussions regarding racial hatred and stereotyping, and the negative effects of same.
What a bitch, amirite?
by Benuty » Tue May 27, 2014 6:16 pm
Farnhamia wrote:Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Oh, no. She's trying to snuff out a misguided attitude that has been the motivating factor behind the greatest wrongs ever committed by this nation. She is exhorting people not to do this through governmental action, but through enouraging serious discussions regarding racial hatred and stereotyping, and the negative effects of same.
What a bitch, amirite?
And she's tall, too. Women should be short and not heard.
by Albul » Tue May 27, 2014 6:16 pm
Ifreann wrote:I would wager a big wad of cash that not one of these people has read anything by George Orwell.
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by MERIZoC » Tue May 27, 2014 6:17 pm
by Albul » Tue May 27, 2014 6:27 pm
Straight 17 year old male Political Compass Economic Left/Right: -6.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -5.54 | Welcome to the Internet A specter is haunting 'Merika. It is the specter of communism. NSG Summertime I do not agree with what you have to say, but I'll defend to the death your right to say it. -Voltaire |
by Nova_Ravenna » Tue May 27, 2014 6:32 pm
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