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could you be arrested for thought crime?

Postby Trezchoix » Tue May 27, 2014 8:44 am

http://news.yahoo.com/america-starting- ... 23317.html]

Last week, Michelle Obama made headlines when she exhorted graduating high schoolers in a commencement address to monitor their families for politically incorrect thoughts and behaviors.

To one journalist, this was more than an off-hand comment made by the first lady. In the opinion of Cheryl Chumley, a reporter for The Washington Times and the author of “Police State USA,” Michelle Obama’s remark reflects a growing trend in America to target and attack individuals for committing “thought crime.”

“Michelle Obama’s push for kids around the nation to monitor their family members for perceived racist comments is just another way the government seeks to inject itself into an area it doesn’t really belong — the American home,” Chumley told The Daily Caller Monday.

“Having the first lady wag her finger at us and send America’s youth on some sort of quest to scour the homes and backyards of our nation’s families for any mention of a racist joke, slur or slight is nanny-governance run amok — something that belongs in a George Orwell novel, not the White House, Chumley said.”

Chumley sees a troubling growth of America’s most powerful political figures now singling out private individuals for their beliefs, and using government agencies and public denunciations to intimidate opponents into silence.

“Harry Reid attacking the Koch brothers for the crime of giving money to conservative causes is just as bad. President Obama, Joe Biden and the entire cast of the White House, for slamming lawful gun owners for exercising their Second Amendment rights, and for trying to drum up emotional-fueled support to ram through gun control,” Chumley listed off. “The IRS targeting of tea party and patriotic non-profits and our nation’s highest law enforcement official, Eric Holder stonewalling on a special prosecutor appointment — does it get any more police state than that?”

The Washington Times reporter sees the creation of hate crime laws as one of the first steps in our country’s history in the direction of attacking unpopular and politically incorrect thoughts in America.

“What comes to mind when I think of the genesis for this growing trend of government to control Americans’ speech, and by extension, thoughts, is when the notion of hate crime was brought into our criminal prosecution system — as if acts of violence that are committed because of racial divides deserve a different category of ‘extra-special bad,’” Chumley stated.

“Political correctness and pandering politicians have fueled this narrative in recent years. Anybody who throws the race card on a regular basis — think Eric Holder, Al Sharpton, Harry Reid — is guilty to a certain degree of clamping down on free speech, and in turn, making Americans even wary of what they think.”

And it’s not just the government enforcing this new speech code, in Chumley’s opinion — private companies are just as complicit in regulating speech that’s deemed offensive by the government and media.

“Private companies, like A&E with the “Duck Dynasty” debacle, are getting just as bad as government when it comes to clamping down on free speech, especially when religious views are involved — or, of late, the gay rights movement,” Chumley stated. “I’m all for businesses reacting to free market pressures from their customer base — but really, they need to show a little more spine.”

In Chumley’s opinion, Americans growing a backbone and holding firm to their beliefs would be enough to resist this apparent infringement on individual rights.

“When Dan Cathy, president of Chick-fil-A, stood strong in the face of gay rights activists, you didn’t see his business crumble and fold. Rather, you saw those who believe in freedom of speech rise up and stand in Chick-fil-A lines across the nation to support him,” the “Police State USA” author stated. “The only answer is to refuse to be cowed. We’re a nation that’s founded on the belief that rights come from God, not government.”

This same thing was in a movie with Tom Cruise ( Minority Report )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jdl6eAIx2K4

NS do you think that the US ( and the world ) are heading for this? how can this style of justice be stopped and or the mindset of perpetual fear. What would you do to stop this type advancement and destruction of personal liberties and civil rights?
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Postby Tel » Tue May 27, 2014 8:45 am

If it is closed once, don't make Farm close it twice.

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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 27, 2014 8:46 am

Better. How about telling us what Mrs. Obama actually said? And not with a link to a video, some of us can't or won't sit through a video.

And the title's a little misleading. No one's been arrested.
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Postby Trezchoix » Tue May 27, 2014 8:49 am

Farnhamia wrote:Better. How about telling us what Mrs. Obama actually said? And not with a link to a video, some of us can't or won't sit through a video.



Then if you don't have time for a 2 minute vid how do you have time to moderate? its a article to insight thought and as the OP I have no opinion on the matter I want to see NS speak about it. And how people react to a article like this as the LAST post I was editing it and then it was blocked.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 27, 2014 8:50 am

I would wager a big wad of cash that not one of these people has read anything by George Orwell.
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Ifreann wrote:I would wager a big wad of cash that not one of these people has read anything by George Orwell.




I have! =)
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 27, 2014 8:51 am

Trezchoix wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Better. How about telling us what Mrs. Obama actually said? And not with a link to a video, some of us can't or won't sit through a video.



Then if you don't have time for a 2 minute vid how do you have time to moderate? its a article to insight thought and as the OP I have no opinion on the matter I want to see NS speak about it. And how people react to a article like this as the LAST post I was editing it and then it was blocked.

As I say, some people here can't or won't sit through a video, two minutes or two seconds long. I don't see how it's an imposition on you to provide some context for the opinion piece you posted as the OP.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue May 27, 2014 8:52 am

Ifreann wrote:I would wager a big wad of cash that not one of these people has read anything by George Orwell.

1984.

And on the Harry Reid thing might I remind him that the democrats had just as many big donors as Republicans....
The IRS thing. I don't support the Tea Party, but yeah it's bad....
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 27, 2014 8:52 am

Trezchoix wrote:
Farnhamia wrote:Better. How about telling us what Mrs. Obama actually said? And not with a link to a video, some of us can't or won't sit through a video.



Then if you don't have time for a 2 minute vid how do you have time to moderate? its a article to insight thought and as the OP I have no opinion on the matter I want to see NS speak about it. And how people react to a article like this as the LAST post I was editing it and then it was blocked.

If you're not going to debate or discuss then what are you doing posting on a debate and discussion forum?


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Ifreann wrote:I would wager a big wad of cash that not one of these people has read anything by George Orwell.




I have! =)

I wasn't referring to you.
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Postby Liberaxia » Tue May 27, 2014 8:53 am

Chumley demonstrates he has no understanding of law.
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Postby Tel » Tue May 27, 2014 8:53 am

Sorry, thought you'd close it due to repost. I know little of the intricate workings of moderation.

As for the post, well...

I'm just reading these quotes and... Did you have to quote so many hicks?

I mean, really? Couldn't you have quoted smarter people?

This... Person doesn't even know what Freedom of Speech is.

I suppose we could say they're the downside of Freedom of Speech personified.
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Postby Trezchoix » Tue May 27, 2014 8:54 am

Farnhamia wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

Then if you don't have time for a 2 minute vid how do you have time to moderate? its a article to insight thought and as the OP I have no opinion on the matter I want to see NS speak about it. And how people react to a article like this as the LAST post I was editing it and then it was blocked.

As I say, some people here can't or won't sit through a video, two minutes or two seconds long. I don't see how it's an imposition on you to provide some context for the opinion piece you posted as the OP.



because its there doesn't mean you have to watch it its a real world movie about the same thing. much like 1984 is or brave new world but no ones telling you you have to read it.
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Postby Trezchoix » Tue May 27, 2014 8:57 am

Ifreann wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

Then if you don't have time for a 2 minute vid how do you have time to moderate? its a article to insight thought and as the OP I have no opinion on the matter I want to see NS speak about it. And how people react to a article like this as the LAST post I was editing it and then it was blocked.

If you're not going to debate or discuss then what are you doing posting on a debate and discussion forum?


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I have! =)

I wasn't referring to you.



my stance is well since I have read 1984, Brave New World etc what do you think it is? I believe we are heading for this faster than we think. and the only way to stop it is end ALOT of government agencies and programs. terrorists don't bombs use because we are free and that seems to be the excuse of the powers at hand I to implement increased security that infringes Americans civil rights.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 27, 2014 9:04 am

Trezchoix wrote:
Ifreann wrote:If you're not going to debate or discuss then what are you doing posting on a debate and discussion forum?



I wasn't referring to you.



my stance is well since I have read 1984, Brave New World etc what do you think it is? I believe we are heading for this faster than we think.

And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?
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Postby Galloism » Tue May 27, 2014 9:08 am

"Be sure to let people know when they're being racist assholes."

"OMFG, thoughtcrime! 1984! Orwell!"
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Postby Tel » Tue May 27, 2014 9:08 am

Ifreann wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

my stance is well since I have read 1984, Brave New World etc what do you think it is? I believe we are heading for this faster than we think.

And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?


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Postby L Ron Cupboard » Tue May 27, 2014 9:14 am

Well it isn't exactly a replay of McCarthyism yet.
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Postby Ifreann » Tue May 27, 2014 9:16 am

Tel wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?


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Clearly the First Lady should not be allowed to speak freely. It's the only way to preserve free speech.
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Postby Andarro » Tue May 27, 2014 9:19 am

Ifreann wrote:
Trezchoix wrote:

my stance is well since I have read 1984, Brave New World etc what do you think it is? I believe we are heading for this faster than we think.

And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?


This no ordinary woman, she is wife of the POTUS and that gives her a degree of influence over the decisions that he makes.

That is what makes her remarks a little bit disturbing.
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Postby Farnhamia » Tue May 27, 2014 9:22 am

Andarro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?


This no ordinary woman, she is wife of the POTUS and that gives her a degree of influence over the decisions that he makes.

That is what makes her remarks a little bit disturbing.

Care to provide us with her remarks?
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Postby Murbleflip » Tue May 27, 2014 9:23 am

Andarro wrote:
Ifreann wrote:And why do you think that? Because a woman with no political power at all has called on some teenagers not to accept casual racism?


This no ordinary woman, she if wife of the POTUS and that gives her a degree of influence over the decisions that he makes.

That is what makes her remarks a little bit disturbing.

Though the OP doesn't actually say what she actually said, the impression I'm getting is that she was saying to not accept casual racism, and to speak up against it even or especially if it's your own family speaking such views. I fail to see anything disturbing here.
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Postby Paixao » Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 am

OP: This is so far away from thoughtcrime and oppression that I just... I just... :palm: :palm: :palm:

Seriously. Encouraging young people to promote anti-racist thoughts and attitudes in the household (Mrs Obama never told said young people to report their parents to the Gestapo Police) is a far FAR cry from starting a police state.
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Postby The Time Alliance » Tue May 27, 2014 9:24 am

Murbleflip wrote:
Andarro wrote:
This no ordinary woman, she if wife of the POTUS and that gives her a degree of influence over the decisions that he makes.

That is what makes her remarks a little bit disturbing.

Though the OP doesn't actually say what she actually said, the impression I'm getting is that she was saying to not accept casual racism, and to speak up against it even or especially if it's your own family speaking such views. I fail to see anything disturbing here.

The term Monitor is what is somewhat disturbing.

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