Fascist Discussion Thread

[Serocia]

I figured this would be the best place to ask it, so can anyone explain what the main differences between fascism and absolute monarchism is?

Absolute monarchy is a system of government in which ultimate power is invested in a single individual, the monarch. Fascism is a complete political ideology with views on government, social issues and economics. An absolute monarchy may be fascist, but it could equally be tolerant and liberal (see enlightened absolutism). I suppose a socialist absolute monarchy where the ruler is a hereditary despot but the means of production are in the hands of the workers is also theoretically possible. Just as one can have a socialist democracy or a capitalist democracy.

Fascists and monarchists don't usually get along, though, because "monarchy" is generally a term used for the traditional rulers of nations who are tied to the status quo (or status quo ante) and generally are conservative institutions while fascists are populist revolutionaries who believe in "national rejuvenation" and have fairly little time for tradition or the establishment unless it benefits them.

That is a good analogy. Democracy is a political system, but it is not a political ideology, like what the Republican Party or the Democratic Party has.

[Old Tyrannia]

I figured this would be the best place to ask it, so can anyone explain what the main differences between fascism and absolute monarchism is?

I have wondered the same thing. From what I know without any research is fascism is basically a dictatorship with state worship while an absolute monarchy is also autocratic but is hereditary and generally the nobility (the monarch most of all) are worshipped as god's representative (Divine Right). I shall have to do more research upon this topic.

Massive oversimplification and mischaracterization of absolute monarchy going on here. First of all, in some absolute monarchies (ancient Egypt, Imperial China etc), the monarch has indeed been worshipped, as a god or a near-to-god entity; but the Divine Right of Kings was a concept found only in European Christian monarchies, where the monarch was most certainly not worshipped- seen as God's servant and therefore above reproach, yes, but not as a figure of worship. Christians are rather keen that you worship God and God alone. Absolute monarchies are not necessarily hereditary, nor do they necessarily have a titled nobility. The Great Khan of the Mongols was elected by the Kurultai.

[Untaroicht]

I figured this would be the best place to ask it, so can anyone explain what the main differences between fascism and absolute monarchism is?

Absolute monarchy is a system of government in which ultimate power is invested in a single individual, the monarch. Fascism is a complete political ideology with views on government, social issues and economics. An absolute monarchy may be fascist, but it could equally be tolerant and liberal (see enlightened absolutism). I suppose a socialist absolute monarchy where the ruler is a hereditary despot but the means of production are in the hands of the workers is also theoretically possible. Just as one can have a socialist democracy or a capitalist democracy.

Fascists and monarchists don't usually get along, though, because "monarchy" is generally a term used for the traditional rulers of nations who are tied to the status quo (or status quo ante) and generally are conservative institutions while fascists are populist revolutionaries who believe in "national rejuvenation" and have fairly little time for tradition or the establishment unless it benefits them.

Thanks for the well written answer. Out of curiosity, where would Roman Imperialism/Autocracy fit in (such as the examples of Elagabalus, Caligula, and Nero's respective reigns)?

[Temujinn]

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None of those spend 15% of their GDP on defence. The military was firmly entrenched in Soviet society.

I recognise that not all militaristic states are fascist. You seem to think I do but I never once said that.

Fascist China.

[Conscentia]

None of those spend 15% of their GDP on defence. The military was firmly entrenched in Soviet society.
I recognise that not all militaristic states are fascist. You seem to think I do but I never once said that.

Fascist China.

What about it?

[Temujinn]

Fascist China.

What about it?

So then your finding is that China is a Fascist nation?

[Glasgia]

What about it?

So then your finding is that China is a Fascist nation?

Nationalism? Check.
Militarism? Check.
Authoritarianism? Check.
Revolutionary? Check.
Mixed economy? Check.

[New Right]

The Old Fascist Line Isn't Very Common To See Outside Golden Dawn And Some Minor Parties Like Casa Pound Or Authentic Falange.
It's Very Important To Note That Fronte Nationale Or Ukip Aren't Fascists And Only Share A Few Things From The Ideology.

I Like Fascism Because I Think It's The Best Way To Solve Today's Problems Without Reject Capitalism And Socialism.
I Don't Have Same Distate Some Fascists Have Of Capitalism But I Can Agree That Too Much Capitalism Isn't Very Good For The People.
The Only Things I Wanted to Remain In " Peoples" Hand are Banks,Energy,Healthcare and Transports So We Can Benefit People And Avoid Extra Taxes To Save Banks Or Other Unnecessary Business.

[Dasha Kovachevich]

Actually, he slaughtered:

-Serbs

-Russian Slavs

-Roma

-Sephardic Jews

-Poles

-Ukranians

-Czechs


His forces also targeted LGBTWQ individuals, Communists, Esperanto speakers, political enemies, and almost anybody else that his paranoid mind could summon up.


Do you deny that the Holocaust happened?

I do deny it happened

[Occupied Deutschland]

Actually, he slaughtered:

-Serbs

-Russian Slavs

-Roma

-Sephardic Jews

-Poles

-Ukranians

-Czechs


His forces also targeted LGBTWQ individuals, Communists, Esperanto speakers, political enemies, and almost anybody else that his paranoid mind could summon up.


Do you deny that the Holocaust happened?

I do deny it happened

You're wrong.

I'd sugarcoat it, but after seventy years of the same bullshit attempts at denial, anyone who still refuses to accept facts isn't worthy of unnecessary courteousness. I suggest remedying your gross lack of understanding of history by opening a history textbook. Or browsing primary documentary material from the time period.

[New Right]

I Thinks He Is Questionate The Numbers.

[Vorkova]

The Old Fascist Line Isn't Very Common To See Outside Golden Dawn And Some Minor Parties Like Casa Pound Or Authentic Falange.
It's Very Important To Note That Fronte Nationale Or Ukip Aren't Fascists And Only Share A Few Things From The Ideology.

I Like Fascism Because I Think It's The Best Way To Solve Today's Problems Without Reject Capitalism And Socialism.
I Don't Have Same Distate Some Fascists Have Of Capitalism But I Can Agree That Too Much Capitalism Isn't Very Good For The People.
The Only Things I Wanted to Remain In " Peoples" Hand are Banks,Energy,Healthcare and Transports So We Can Benefit People And Avoid Extra Taxes To Save Banks Or Other Unnecessary Business.

Why are you capitalising every word?

[Old Tyrannia]

Absolute monarchy is a system of government in which ultimate power is invested in a single individual, the monarch. Fascism is a complete political ideology with views on government, social issues and economics. An absolute monarchy may be fascist, but it could equally be tolerant and liberal (see enlightened absolutism). I suppose a socialist absolute monarchy where the ruler is a hereditary despot but the means of production are in the hands of the workers is also theoretically possible. Just as one can have a socialist democracy or a capitalist democracy.

Fascists and monarchists don't usually get along, though, because "monarchy" is generally a term used for the traditional rulers of nations who are tied to the status quo (or status quo ante) and generally are conservative institutions while fascists are populist revolutionaries who believe in "national rejuvenation" and have fairly little time for tradition or the establishment unless it benefits them.

Thanks for the well written answer. Out of curiosity, where would Roman Imperialism/Autocracy fit in (such as the examples of Elagabalus, Caligula, and Nero's respective reigns)?

The Roman Empire was really a military dictatorship, only really developing into a "monarchy" as we understand it with Diocletian's reign- he was the first Emperor to call himself "Dominus," Lord, whereas previously the Roman Emperors called themselves "Princeps," roughly translated as "First Citizen." Elagabalus, Caligula and Nero would all have styled themselves "Princeps" and maintained the pretence of being leaders of the Republic. They're probably therefore better classed as military dictators- like ancient versions of Gaddafi, Assad, Mugabe etc.- rather than "true" monarchs, though obviously the difference is more one of style than substance. However, the Emperor was explicitly styled as monarch in the eastern territories, such as Egypt, where full oriental monarchy was the norm; Augustus and his successors were regarded as traditional Pharaohs in Egypt, for example, up until the introduction of Christianity.

[Dasha Kovachevich]

I'd sugarcoat it, but after seventy years of the same bullshit attempts at denial, anyone who still refuses to accept facts isn't worthy of unnecessary courteousness. I suggest remedying your gross lack of understanding of history by opening a history textbook. Or browsing primary documentary material from the time period.

well, let me rephrase what I said. I don't believe everything we're taught about the holocaust. There have been many holocaust "survivors" that have been exposed as fakes, and there are many stories that don't add up. There are plenty of videos debunking the holocaust, even the Auschwitz concentration camp. Of course, in some countries it's illegal to look into this, so I wont bother posting links or anything. Don't simply accept everything you read in a history book.

[New Right]

The Old Fascist Line Isn't Very Common To See Outside Golden Dawn And Some Minor Parties Like Casa Pound Or Authentic Falange.
It's Very Important To Note That Fronte Nationale Or Ukip Aren't Fascists And Only Share A Few Things From The Ideology.

I Like Fascism Because I Think It's The Best Way To Solve Today's Problems Without Reject Capitalism And Socialism.
I Don't Have Same Distate Some Fascists Have Of Capitalism But I Can Agree That Too Much Capitalism Isn't Very Good For The People.
The Only Things I Wanted to Remain In " Peoples" Hand are Banks,Energy,Healthcare and Transports So We Can Benefit People And Avoid Extra Taxes To Save Banks Or Other Unnecessary Business.

Why are you capitalising every word?

So From My Comment You Only Retained that ?

[Vorkova]

Why are you capitalising every word?

So From My Comment You Only Retained that ?

It's hard to read your posts when you write like that.

[Unio de Sovetaj Socialismaj Respublikoj]

I'd sugarcoat it, but after seventy years of the same bullshit attempts at denial, anyone who still refuses to accept facts isn't worthy of unnecessary courteousness. I suggest remedying your gross lack of understanding of history by opening a history textbook. Or browsing primary documentary material from the time period.

well, let me rephrase what I said. I don't believe everything we're taught about the holocaust. There have been many holocaust "survivors" that have been exposed as fakes, and there are many stories that don't add up. There are plenty of videos debunking the holocaust, even the Auschwitz concentration camp. Of course, in some countries it's illegal to look into this, so I wont bother posting links or anything. Don't simply accept everything you read in a history book.

There are videos "proving" world leaders are alien reptilians. Your point?
The holocaust did happen and it was worse than most people think it was, stop saying it didn't happen I find it very offensive.

[Threlizdun]

I'd sugarcoat it, but after seventy years of the same bullshit attempts at denial, anyone who still refuses to accept facts isn't worthy of unnecessary courteousness. I suggest remedying your gross lack of understanding of history by opening a history textbook. Or browsing primary documentary material from the time period.

well, let me rephrase what I said. I don't believe everything we're taught about the holocaust. There have been many holocaust "survivors" that have been exposed as fakes, and there are many stories that don't add up. There are plenty of videos debunking the holocaust, even the Auschwitz concentration camp. Of course, in some countries it's illegal to look into this, so I wont bother posting links or anything. Don't simply accept everything you read in a history book.

Of course, millions of people just "disappeared" and there was a global conspiracy in which almost everyone researching the issue doctored data indicating the same types of atrocities carried out against the same people for the same reason. That makes a hell of a lot of sense.

[Dasha Kovachevich]

There are videos "proving" world leaders are alien reptilians. Your point?
The holocaust did happen and it was worse than most people think it was, stop saying it didn't happen I find it very offensive.

well use your common sense to see what's real and what's fake. There are people that were in the concentrations camps that didn't see any of the things some jews claimed to have seen. The math also doesnt add up, and tbh we should stop it there, kind of getting off topic and the mods wouldn't bet very happy

[Threlizdun]

There are videos "proving" world leaders are alien reptilians. Your point?
The holocaust did happen and it was worse than most people think it was, stop saying it didn't happen I find it very offensive.

well use your common sense to see what's real and what's fake. There are people that were in the concentrations camps that didn't see any of the things some jews claimed to have seen. The math also doesnt add up, and tbh we should stop it there, kind of getting off topic and the mods wouldn't bet very happy

Common sense doesn't tell you to listen to every reputable historian in the world?

[Dasha Kovachevich]

Common sense doesn't tell you to listen to every reputable historian in the world?

that's cause you can't research what actually happened, its too taboo. Those who have were jailed

[Threlizdun]

Common sense doesn't tell you to listen to every reputable historian in the world?

that's cause you can't research what actually happened, its too taboo. Those who have were jailed

And you presume every historian arrived at the same conclusion that the Holocaust happened because? Which force is leading this global conspiracy in your mind? The Iluminati? The lizard people? Aliens?

[The Scientific States]

Holocaust Denial? Really? Fucking really?

[Seaxeland]

Holocaust Denial? Really? Fucking really?

It's worse because it's threadjacking. Take it to your TGs people.

And yes, the Holocaust did happen, and anyone who denies it happened probably also thinks that 9/11 was a US government conspiracy or that aliens built the Pyramids.

[Seaxeland]

So then your finding is that China is a Fascist nation?

Nationalism? Check.
Militarism? Check.
Authoritarianism? Check.
Revolutionary? Check.
Mixed economy? Check.

Nationalism? Always been a part of Chinese society, that's nothing new.
Militarism? Please, if they were Militaristic then their military wouldn't be such a joke in terms of equipment and technology.
Authoritarianism? Yeah, that kinda comes with being a corrupt Hell-hole.
Revolutionary? That's not a part of Fascism, that's a part of Socialism.
Mixed economy? No, Fascism is Totalitarian alone, while China is State Capitalist.