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So, here's the deal:

A young man in a BMW 3 series (details are important) who seemed bent that he couldn't get a date or kiss a girl or whatever (more on that in a mo') shot up a deli in Santa Barbara and then got in a shoot out with police where either they shot him or he shot himself.

Seven dead, more injured...you know, the usual.

A gunman in a black BMW opened fire on crowds of people Friday night in a Southern California seaside town near UC Santa Barbara, killing six people and injuring seven others in what investigators described as a "mass murder" rampage.

The gunman was later involved in at least one shootout with sheriff's deputies and died of a gunshot wound to the head, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said at a Saturday morning news conference. He could not confirm whether the gunshot was self-inflicted.

Seven victims were hospitalized and at least one of them had undergone surgery for life-threatening injuries, Brown said. Details regarding the other victims' conditions were not immediately available.

Witnesses who spoke with NBC4 identified the gunman as Elliot Rodger. Sheriff's department personnel are investigating a video in which a man identified as Rodger details plans for "retribution" and "revenge against humanity" prior to the shooting.

Like any good psychopath, he made a manifesto (which, if you don't like hearing threats against women, or whiny self important 20 year olds complain about life from the seat of their BMW, or just in general don't want to give this douchebag his posthumous notoriety that he clearly craved, don't click on that link. I only made it about a minute in before I didn't feel like it anymore.)

So...what direction to take this? Gun control? This very place was the site of another killing using a car-

The mass killing comes about 13 years after a former UC Santa Barbara student drove his car through a crowd of people in Isla Vista, killing four. David Attias was convicted on four counts of second-degree murder and sentenced to a state mental hospital.

Now we have a reasonable point of comparison for the "If they didn't have a gun they'd just use a car" argument against any form of gun control. Gun, more lethal by almost double, it appears.

How about the issue of the Dreaded Mythical Friendzone and how, apparently, women owe dudes that pussy. Because as it turns out, if you don't give it up to creepy dudes in black BMWs, this is a 'revenge worthy' offense. I mean, we could take a rational approach to the way that we portray these things in society and the unreasonable expectations of a pussy for every penis, that women are a reward for being a man...but I'm pretty sure if we try hard enough we can find a way that this really is women's fault...don't disappoint me NSG...(or, just the inane ramblings of a solitary nutter. But where's the sport in that?)

Or, rather, will we find that this is proof positive that douchebags drive BMWs?

Lets spin the roulette wheel of NSG hobby horses, where will it land, where will it land?

That was one of the creepiest fucking videos I've ever seen in my life, I do find it funny though that he tried to claim some sort of moral high ground when in reality he was just a pathetic cry baby who couldn't get laid.

What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

Dejanic wrote:That was one of the creepiest fucking videos I've ever seen in my life, I do find it funny though that he tried to claim some sort of moral high ground when in reality he was just a pathetic cry baby who couldn't get laid.

Hear! Hear!

Damn. Thats a bit of extreme reaction. If you feel lonely then go on the internet and become a virtual philosopher.

The solution is clear. Ban Beamers.

Fartsniffage wrote:The solution is clear. Ban Beamers.

Just the 3 series.

Cannot think of a name wrote:So, here's the deal:

A young man in a BMW 3 series (details are important) who seemed bent that he couldn't get a date or kiss a girl or whatever (more on that in a mo') shot up a deli in Santa Barbara and then got in a shoot out with police where either they shot him or he shot himself.

Seven dead, more injured...you know, the usual.

A gunman in a black BMW opened fire on crowds of people Friday night in a Southern California seaside town near UC Santa Barbara, killing six people and injuring seven others in what investigators described as a "mass murder" rampage.

The gunman was later involved in at least one shootout with sheriff's deputies and died of a gunshot wound to the head, Santa Barbara County Sheriff Bill Brown said at a Saturday morning news conference. He could not confirm whether the gunshot was self-inflicted.

Seven victims were hospitalized and at least one of them had undergone surgery for life-threatening injuries, Brown said. Details regarding the other victims' conditions were not immediately available.

Witnesses who spoke with NBC4 identified the gunman as Elliot Rodger. Sheriff's department personnel are investigating a video in which a man identified as Rodger details plans for "retribution" and "revenge against humanity" prior to the shooting.

Like any good psychopath, he made a manifesto (which, if you don't like hearing threats against women, or whiny self important 20 year olds complain about life from the seat of their BMW, or just in general don't want to give this douchebag his posthumous notoriety that he clearly craved, don't click on that link. I only made it about a minute in before I didn't feel like it anymore.)

So...what direction to take this? Gun control? This very place was the site of another killing using a car-

The mass killing comes about 13 years after a former UC Santa Barbara student drove his car through a crowd of people in Isla Vista, killing four. David Attias was convicted on four counts of second-degree murder and sentenced to a state mental hospital.

Now we have a reasonable point of comparison for the "If they didn't have a gun they'd just use a car" argument against any form of gun control. Gun, more lethal by almost double, it appears.

How about the issue of the Dreaded Mythical Friendzone and how, apparently, women owe dudes that pussy. Because as it turns out, if you don't give it up to creepy dudes in black BMWs, this is a 'revenge worthy' offense. I mean, we could take a rational approach to the way that we portray these things in society and the unreasonable expectations of a pussy for every penis, that women are a reward for being a man...but I'm pretty sure if we try hard enough we can find a way that this really is women's fault...don't disappoint me NSG...(or, just the inane ramblings of a solitary nutter. But where's the sport in that?)

Or, rather, will we find that this is proof positive that douchebags drive BMWs?

Lets spin the roulette wheel of NSG hobby horses, where will it land, where will it land?

I always assumed this was a given.

Purpelia wrote:What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

I was less than a mile away when this happened, watching X-men.
Here's the local news, basically

What a childish nutfuck.

Fartsniffage wrote:The solution is clear. Ban Beamers.

*drink*

That video sounds like a mix between American Pie and a serial killer movie.

Dejanic wrote:

Purpelia wrote:What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

He sounded spoiled, like a young man used to getting everything he wanted in life. When he finally hit something he couldn't (and surprise, surprise, every other guy could) bloke lost it. You're right. No sense of love or compassion. Completely self-centred. I've met his kind before.

What a whiner, and a sexist idiot.

Lydenburg wrote:

Dejanic wrote:What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

He sounded spoiled, like a young man used to getting everything he wanted in life. When he finally hit something he couldn't (and surprise, surprise, every other guy could) bloke lost it. You're right. No sense of love or compassion. Completely self-centred. I've met his kind before.

*except that he's also totally insane.

Dejanic wrote:

Purpelia wrote:What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

That's not what I was talking about. I am talking about the fact that he is so absolutely obsessed with sex and considers the fact that he can't get any as somehow having turned his existence into torture. I mean WTF man?

I've read the manifesto and I must say that he is one fucked up, selfish, demented, psychotic, stupid, desperate, lonely, pathetic, strange, interesting, insane kid.

Purpelia wrote:

Dejanic wrote:What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

That's not what I was talking about. I am talking about the fact that he is so absolutely obsessed with sex and considers the fact that he can't get any as somehow having turned his existence into torture. I mean WTF man?

To be honest, even if this guy had of gotten laid, I'd wager that he still would of done something like this. It wasn't that his lack of sexual gratification drove him to insanity, it was that he was insane and used his lack of sexual gratification as a justification for the heinous acts he committed, considering (I believe) he was shooting at everybody, not just "hot women". The guy had underlying severe mental problems, if he was getting laid all the time, he would of just used another excuse to slaughter people.

Dejanic wrote:

Purpelia wrote:What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

The underlined is mostly the key, attitude, attitude, attitude.
I also agree with some of the other posts, no piece of ass is worth that much trouble.

From his response to the lack of dates, it looks like the women who rejected him chose wisely.

That was a pretty creepy fucking video, but of everything you could go on a killing spree about you do it about not getting laid? He looks like a spoiled brat who's mad he didn't get his way about something, but I guess it really does show how anyone can be batshit crazy. My condolences go out to the families.

Grinning Dragon wrote:I also agree with some of the other posts, no piece of ass is worth that much trouble.

Ah yes, because reducing women to "pieces of ass" is totally appropriate in a thread about someone who is was such a misogynistic asshole that he shot up a bunch of women because he felt that they owed him sex.

I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Not this shit again.

People with autism and personality disorders know that killing people is frowned upon, they are not delusional and they do not have impaired impulse control. Even though they are mentally ill, their illness does not instigate any crime they commit or absolve them from any responsibility for their actions.

This guy was an egocentric, bitter scumbag with a massively inflated sense of entitlement. He simply could have not killed a bunch of people but he did it anyway.

He was evil, period.

Washington Resistance Army wrote:That was a pretty creepy fucking video, but of everything you could go on a killing spree about you do it about not getting laid? He looks like a spoiled brat who's mad he didn't get his way about something, but I guess it really does show how anyone can be batshit crazy. My condolences go out to the families.

I agree, a spoiled kid, who always got their way, snapped when he didn't, which I don't understand, it really isn't that hard to get laid.