No dates? Shoot a bunch of people. Santa Barbara Drive By.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I've been rejected 150 times and had 6 relationships that I broke up with and were not successful and have only fucked once.

Does this mean I got a license to kill now?

Nope the bolded part is where you lost your license, had it been that you'd never had any relationships ever after that much rejection then yeah, at the very least you get to declare the world unfair. Whether or not that means you get a license to kill is a far more complicated issue.

When I was 22 I was rejected several times and had 3 shit relationships where I was abused in two of them.

My point was that if this kid is whining I should be killing hookers with a spoon right now if so much rejection makes you a psychopath.

[Llamalandia]

Err... I haven't had much luck fucking women. I was, in fact, virgin at 24; and I am attractive.

Your statement is so full of shit.

aside from the fact dating is a skill, and like any other skill can be learned and improved on.

and be fair, your issues getting laid are your internal sense of morals, if you had the low moral turpitiude of say....someone like me, you would have gotten laid early and often.

noun
formal
noun: turpitude

depravity; wickedness.
"acts of moral turpitude"

Not to be a grammar (or more accurately definition) Nazi, but saying you have low moral turpitude actually means you are upright and righteous. Helps to know the definitions of words and how they are used is useful before you use such words.

Unless you meant to say that being a moral upstanding person is what gets you laid, in which case never mind.

[Llamalandia]

Nope the bolded part is where you lost your license, had it been that you'd never had any relationships ever after that much rejection then yeah, at the very least you get to declare the world unfair. Whether or not that means you get a license to kill is a far more complicated issue.

When I was 22 I was rejected several times and had 3 shit relationships where I was abused in two of them.

My point was that if this kid is whining I should be killing hookers with a spoon right now if so much rejection makes you a psychopath.

Meh, seems like the whole reason for the existence of GTA to me.

[Dakini]

Still, I think it was more his personality that chased women away.

That does seem to be it, but as he himself pointed out there were obviously guys with worst personalities than him who no doubt treat girls like shit and yet still get all tail they can handle so to speak.

Uh, considering that he was a misogynistic asshole, I don't doubt that he would have treated a woman like shit if she'd given him the time of day. Also, his opinion of guys with "worst personalities than him" is highly suspect.

[Llamalandia]

I've been rejected 150 times and had 6 relationships that I broke up with and were not successful and have only fucked once.

Does this mean I got a license to kill now?

I've been rejected similarly, and have never actually had sex. If you get a license to kill, I get a license to mass murder.

I also got brutally dumped by my ex, and demand a license to rape.

Pretty sure no one gets nor should get such a license. I mean irl there are real licenses to kill though they usually aren't physical licenses like a drivers license for instance.

But the rape thing brings up an interesting point in that if he just wanted sex why'd he kill those girls as opposed to raping them?

[Llamalandia]

That does seem to be it, but as he himself pointed out there were obviously guys with worst personalities than him who no doubt treat girls like shit and yet still get all tail they can handle so to speak.

Uh, considering that he was a misogynistic asshole, I don't doubt that he would have treated a woman like shit if she'd given him the time of day. Also, his opinion of guys with "worst personalities than him" is highly suspect.

Having skimmed his manifesto, assuming one is to take it at face value his life was somewhat fucked up. Plus given that he lives in and around hollywood in part I can imagine in many cases the peoples he's around are shallow and vapid even more so then he was.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

When I was 22 I was rejected several times and had 3 shit relationships where I was abused in two of them.

My point was that if this kid is whining I should be killing hookers with a spoon right now if so much rejection makes you a psychopath.

Meh, seems like the whole reason for the existence of GTA to me.

The most sandbox I get is Need for Speed

[The Serbian Empire]

That does seem to be it, but as he himself pointed out there were obviously guys with worst personalities than him who no doubt treat girls like shit and yet still get all tail they can handle so to speak.

Uh, considering that he was a misogynistic asshole, I don't doubt that he would have treated a woman like shit if she'd given him the time of day. Also, his opinion of guys with "worst personalities than him" is highly suspect.

I have seen some nasty men who have girlfriends. I don't know how much worse Mr. Rodger could be worse than them?

[Llamalandia]

Except, none of that actually proves he wasn't attractive. To say nothing of the fact that whether or not he was attractive is irrelevant to the fact that it doesn't justify shooting people up, nor does it justify giving him "sympathy".

You're denying scientific evidence because your perspective is more comfortable.

Yes, and no. I mean, these studies seem fairly cherry picked as I recall. Plus haven't you posted these a few times before in other threads? I do believe others have refuted some of these claims with other studies though I could be mistaken.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

It doesn't matter what he looked like. It doesn't matter what his personality was. And it shouldn't really be 'all about gun control'. The pertinent point is, he made a choice, and it was a horrible one. It was premeditated to the point of obsession. And it was in every way unequal to the perceived provocation, and in no way excusable.

What we need is people control. Or more specifically, self control. Unfortunately, it seems we can't really enforce that or we wouldn't be having these problems to begin with. Bit hard to codify and make stick when you have an overall atmosphere hell-bent on putting the blame somewhere else for $reason_of_the_hour.

This person deliberately made decisions that ended the lives of some, and have shattered the lives of others, over his selfish views. And there is not a damn thing anyone can do to change it, or make it better, save perhaps minimizing the face/screentime he's getting so as to not encourage others looking for similar attention to choose a like set of actions. (Something in this day and age that is no doubt impossible, given the media.)

[Llamalandia]

1. But there are people who WON'T stop being entitled asshats, and the rest of us need to figure out how to counteract that. The question is whether appeasement would be a net positive or net negative, or if not, what the ideal alternative is.

2. Indeed he isn't, but see above.

3. Define "wasn't that bad looking."

Appeasement has a negative net effect, as it was clearly seen with this kid; because he will then get the notion he can get away with anything.

He wasn't bad looking, at all. In fact, he was pretty much attractive.

Well perhaps not bad looking but certainly not that attractive after all were he then he presumably would have at least a shallow bimbo or two throw themselves upon him. I mean he was obviously no calvin klein model, in fact I believe his step mom made him change out of boxers and into little kids briefs in front of people specifically because she thought he was good looking enough to pull off wearing boxer with baggy pants. Pretty harsh.

[The Serbian Empire]

It doesn't matter what he looked like. It doesn't matter what his personality was. And it shouldn't really be 'all about gun control'. The pertinent point is, he made a choice, and it was a horrible one. It was premeditated to the point of obsession. And it was in every way unequal to the perceived provocation, and in no way excusable.

What we need is people control. Or more specifically, self control. Unfortunately, it seems we can't really enforce that or we wouldn't be having these problems to begin with. Bit hard to codify and make stick when you have an overall atmosphere hell-bent on putting the blame somewhere else for $reason_of_the_hour.

This person deliberately made decisions that ended the lives of some, and have shattered the lives of others, over his selfish views. And there is not a damn thing anyone can do to change it, or make it better, save perhaps minimizing the face/screentime he's getting so as to not encourage others looking for similar attention to choose a like set of actions. (Something in this day and age that is no doubt impossible, given the media.)

Self control was certainly lacking in this man who went on the spree. As he could have killed people in any of a number of ways if guns were limited. The only control that was lacking was self control.

[Llamalandia]

It doesn't matter what he looked like. It doesn't matter what his personality was. And it shouldn't really be 'all about gun control'. The pertinent point is, he made a choice, and it was a horrible one. It was premeditated to the point of obsession. And it was in every way unequal to the perceived provocation, and in no way excusable.

What we need is people control. Or more specifically, self control. Unfortunately, it seems we can't really enforce that or we wouldn't be having these problems to begin with. Bit hard to codify and make stick when you have an overall atmosphere hell-bent on putting the blame somewhere else for $reason_of_the_hour.

This person deliberately made decisions that ended the lives of some, and have shattered the lives of others, over his selfish views. And there is not a damn thing anyone can do to change it, or make it better, save perhaps minimizing the face/screentime he's getting so as to not encourage others looking for similar attention to choose a like set of actions. (Something in this day and age that is no doubt impossible, given the media.)

Perhaps, though were we to admit to such a position then there would be little reason to even be talking about this. It'd be just another "mass" shooting.

[Llamalandia]

It doesn't matter what he looked like. It doesn't matter what his personality was. And it shouldn't really be 'all about gun control'. The pertinent point is, he made a choice, and it was a horrible one. It was premeditated to the point of obsession. And it was in every way unequal to the perceived provocation, and in no way excusable.

What we need is people control. Or more specifically, self control. Unfortunately, it seems we can't really enforce that or we wouldn't be having these problems to begin with. Bit hard to codify and make stick when you have an overall atmosphere hell-bent on putting the blame somewhere else for $reason_of_the_hour.

This person deliberately made decisions that ended the lives of some, and have shattered the lives of others, over his selfish views. And there is not a damn thing anyone can do to change it, or make it better, save perhaps minimizing the face/screentime he's getting so as to not encourage others looking for similar attention to choose a like set of actions. (Something in this day and age that is no doubt impossible, given the media.)

Self control was certainly lacking in this man who went on the spree. As he could have killed people in any of a number of ways if guns were limited. The only control that was lacking was self control.

I largely concur. Though given that this was described as a drive by shooting guns were at least essential to this specific type of crime. I mean not to many drive by crossbow attacks after all. He obviously didn't want to shoot people at too close a distance.

[Dakini]

Uh, considering that he was a misogynistic asshole, I don't doubt that he would have treated a woman like shit if she'd given him the time of day. Also, his opinion of guys with "worst personalities than him" is highly suspect.

Having skimmed his manifesto, assuming one is to take it at face value his life was somewhat fucked up. Plus given that he lives in and around hollywood in part I can imagine in many cases the peoples he's around are shallow and vapid even more so then he was.

More shallow and vapid than a man who thought he was entitled to date attractive women and when he was denied this, went on a shooting spree?

It's only lucky that his plan failed miserably (he tried to get into a sorority house to shoot up all the occupants, but nobody let him in) or the death toll would have been larger.

[Dakini]

Appeasement has a negative net effect, as it was clearly seen with this kid; because he will then get the notion he can get away with anything.

He wasn't bad looking, at all. In fact, he was pretty much attractive.

Well perhaps not bad looking but certainly not that attractive after all were he then he presumably would have at least a shallow bimbo or two throw themselves upon him.

Wow. This statement isn't incredibly sexist at all.

I mean he was obviously no calvin klein model, in fact I believe his step mom made him change out of boxers and into little kids briefs in front of people specifically because she thought he was good looking enough to pull off wearing boxer with baggy pants. Pretty harsh.

What is this even? Are you back to expressing pity for this murdering asshole?

[The Serbian Empire]

Having skimmed his manifesto, assuming one is to take it at face value his life was somewhat fucked up. Plus given that he lives in and around hollywood in part I can imagine in many cases the peoples he's around are shallow and vapid even more so then he was.

More shallow and vapid than a man who thought he was entitled to date attractive women and when he was denied this, went on a shooting spree?

It's only lucky that his plan failed miserably (he tried to get into a sorority house to shoot up all the occupants, but nobody let him in) or the death toll would have been larger.

Yeah, the Southern California area has no shortage of vapid people.

[Dread Lady Nathicana]

Appeasement has a negative net effect, as it was clearly seen with this kid; because he will then get the notion he can get away with anything.

He wasn't bad looking, at all. In fact, he was pretty much attractive.

Well perhaps not bad looking but certainly not that attractive after all were he then he presumably would have at least a shallow bimbo or two throw themselves upon him. I mean he was obviously no calvin klein model, in fact I believe his step mom made him change out of boxers and into little kids briefs in front of people specifically because she thought he was good looking enough to pull off wearing boxer with baggy pants. Pretty harsh.

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of 'indefinably ugly'. It isn't about physical attractiveness or all the rest of the supposed excuses you seem to be pulling to the forefront.

Most reasoning people do not make these sorts of choices. Most reasoning people do not go to these extremes. Most reasoning people do not, in fact, blame the rest of the world for every problem they have ever had to the point of wishing death, destruction, if not utter extermination of them - shocking, I know.

What was ugly about this person was not cosmetic. It was a part of him that he not only seemed to revel in, but to cultivate, rather than look within, see the problem, and attempt to solve it. The results? See the news reports. But don't sit there and pretend that because 'only a lad' over there thought he had it rough that he ought to be excused to any degree. He shouldn't.

[Llamalandia]

Nobody is unattractive, but some people are more and less attractive than others.

My opinion on what masculinity is irrelevant, that's why I provided you with nothing but SCIENTIFIC FACTS, I also listed my sources.

You've not provided any evidence for your claim about your own appearance, you've not even posted a picture.

No evidence? Do not waste my time.

There's no such thing as objective attractiveness. Its all subjective. In essence, all of what you linked to does is just show current trends, which can totally change over time (for instance, beauty standards for women 500 years ago, IIRC, was what we'd call "fat", and with rather pale skin). Those standards have completely changed.

True but there certainly exists normative beauty. I mean, if 99/100 guys think girl a is attractive and 2/100 guys think girl by is attractive, we can reasonably make the statement that girl a is more attractive then girl b. Of course obviously we generalize things far more. So it's true technically absolute beauty is in the eye of the beholder, but surely normative beauty is in the eye of the masses.

[Llamalandia]

1. Nobody is entitled to a relationship, if that's what you mean. I can date or not date any woman at my leisure. Just because say, a woman happens to think like this kid, doesn't entitle her to my time or energy. There's better women I can spend my resources on.

People aren't entitled to having their needs met? According to your train of thought, we may as well privatize everything and leave our children out in the wilderness.

What about that statement to you implies that we should start adopting a policy of child abandonment. I mean, I'm all for greater privatization but I fail to see how that some leads inevitably to letting our children be I don't know suckled by a she-wolf like they were Romulus and Remus.

[Llamalandia]

Well perhaps not bad looking but certainly not that attractive after all were he then he presumably would have at least a shallow bimbo or two throw themselves upon him.

Wow. This statement isn't incredibly sexist at all.

I mean he was obviously no calvin klein model, in fact I believe his step mom made him change out of boxers and into little kids briefs in front of people specifically because she thought he was good looking enough to pull off wearing boxer with baggy pants. Pretty harsh.

What is this even? Are you back to expressing pity for this murdering asshole?

Well if you live in southern california perhaps. Note i never said all or most or even a sizable minority of women in general are "bimbos" but there are and likely always will exist some. I would imagine they are especially concentrated in Hollywood as are there male jock meat head dumb ass counter parts.

Acknowledging that some women are bimbos is not the same as implying all women are bimbos which would in fact be sexist and borderline misogynistic as well.

[Interdimensional Orange Juice]

What I do not understand is why getting laid is so important to drive a man to insanity. I mean seriously. How messed up can you be when that is the worst of your problems?!

What is funny, is that from the perspective of myself (a straight male) the dude wasn't actually ugly, or even that unattractive, I mean I'm not expert but I don't think it was his looks that prevented him, it was his creepy and greedy persona. I'm also no psychologist, but I definitely got a few hints of Autism and some sort of personality disorder, he definitely wasn't "normal" (a horrible term to use, but still).

Over all, he thought that society, that women, owed him something. That sick freak had no concept of love or compassion, I'm not religious but I hope he burns in hell.

Ugh, the thought that he was ill (probably undiagnosed mental problems) enough to think that women owed him sex, and that if he didn't get it he had a right to kill people for that. PEOPLE. And you're right, no mercy, compassion, and general creepiness is obvious- enough to send any human in their right mind packing. What he needed was help- and it's a bit late for that now.

[Llamalandia]

He wasn't just looking for sex. He was looking for a relationship.

Probably for the best. Otherwise, we'd end up with the same result but him ranting about how the whores didn't give him a discount based on how charming and handsome he was.

Meh, would think that kind of preferential treatment would be bad for business. I mean if other Johns found out about such discounts they would obviously become jealous of him. Seems like that explanation would both placate and feed his ego, while allowing said "whores" to continue to offer their services at a uniform rate.

[Kahanistan]

Reason #42 why I don't like to disclose having Asperger syndrome. I don't want people thinking I'll be the next Cho Seung-Hui or Adam Lanza or Elliot Rodger. I was 28 when I lost my virginity. (32 now.) Yes, there were many times in my life when it got to me and I did get in a lot of trouble at school and university seeking dates, and I did feel it was fucked up that meaner, nastier and uglier guys got chosen over me. I managed to avoid resorting to violence... though it was not always easy.

Seriously, if he was having problems getting laid, and had no moral issues with it, wouldn't the cold, logical thing be to put on a mask and rape a girl rather than go postal and kill half a dozen? Not that I support sexual assault, but in comparing the harm in raping a girl and getting his dick wet to the harm of killing six people and wounding another dozen and still dying a virgin...

[Llamalandia]

Well perhaps not bad looking but certainly not that attractive after all were he then he presumably would have at least a shallow bimbo or two throw themselves upon him. I mean he was obviously no calvin klein model, in fact I believe his step mom made him change out of boxers and into little kids briefs in front of people specifically because she thought he was good looking enough to pull off wearing boxer with baggy pants. Pretty harsh.

Allow me to introduce you to the concept of 'indefinably ugly'. It isn't about physical attractiveness or all the rest of the supposed excuses you seem to be pulling to the forefront.

Most reasoning people do not make these sorts of choices. Most reasoning people do not go to these extremes. Most reasoning people do not, in fact, blame the rest of the world for every problem they have ever had to the point of wishing death, destruction, if not utter extermination of them - shocking, I know.

What was ugly about this person was not cosmetic. It was a part of him that he not only seemed to revel in, but to cultivate, rather than look within, see the problem, and attempt to solve it. The results? See the news reports. But don't sit there and pretend that because 'only a lad' over there thought he had it rough that he ought to be excused to any degree. He shouldn't.

No I'm acquainted with such a notion (though I've never heard that specific term used before.) It's like how you meet someone you think is attractive and then you get to know them and they have a hideous personality and all of a sudden you don't them as quite as pretty or attractive as you did at first glance. Nah, I get it. Still seems unlikely that no one would be like, meh screw it I'll date the creep with decent looks plenty of cash and an awesome car.