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Postby Norstal » Sun May 25, 2014 6:39 pm

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Norstal wrote:There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.


What's a red-piller?

Does it have something to do with the Matrix?

The term came from that I think, but red-pillers are type of Pick-up artists who holds misogynist views, such as how all men deserve to have sex with a woman.
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Postby Lemanrussland » Sun May 25, 2014 6:42 pm

Norstal wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What's a red-piller?

Does it have something to do with the Matrix?

The term came from that I think, but red-pillers are type of Pick-up artists who holds misogynist views, such as how all men deserve to have sex with a woman.

It's a stupid meme from 4chan.

Red Pill = Enlightened, free market capitalist, "racial realist", white nationalist, aware of the Jews and their plots, etc.
Blue Pill = Ignorant, liberal, feminist, multiculturalist, supporter of central banks, "good goyim" etc.
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Postby Trollzilla » Sun May 25, 2014 6:42 pm

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Trollzilla wrote:The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.
A real man has sex with one woman, only.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.
Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.

I would question why anyone should have empathy for him. We all have issues in this life. Murder, mass murder is never justified. No matter what. Life is simply too sacred.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 25, 2014 6:43 pm

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Seriously what's with the real man real woman thing, it's so completely ridiculous.


It's Shie's 1,000th attempt to hijack a thread to make it about himself and his bizarre, off-kilter view of the universe rather than about the subject at hand.


Point, ignore threadjack, no matter how...no ignore threadjack.
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Postby Marcurix » Sun May 25, 2014 6:43 pm

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Trollzilla wrote:The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.
A real man has sex with one woman, only.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.
Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.


How do you even empathize with someone like that? He was owed nothing, felt so entitled and he took such a cowardly approach to "resolving" it.
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Postby Trollzilla » Sun May 25, 2014 6:48 pm

Societal pressures regarding stereotypical sexuality and manhood are a factor but can never be a trigger for mass murder. This kid was his own trigger. This is about how he reacted to the fact he was having problems adjusting to the real world. No one put a gun in his hand. No one told him that if girls won't go out with you then get in your car and drive around and shoot everyone woman you see.

There are a multitude of ways to deal with repeat rejections from woman after woman after woman. Drive by killings is not one of them.

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Sun May 25, 2014 6:51 pm

Norstal wrote:
Infected Mushroom wrote:
What's a red-piller?

Does it have something to do with the Matrix?

The term came from that I think, but red-pillers are type of Pick-up artists who holds misogynist views, such as how all men deserve to have sex with a woman.


i see...

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Postby Shie » Sun May 25, 2014 6:53 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Shie wrote:A real man has sex with one woman, only.

Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.


I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.


He's dead. Are you suggesting that we put his corpse on trial?

No, we put his legacy on trial. He should be remembered as something nobody should become.

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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun May 25, 2014 6:54 pm

Shie wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
He's dead. Are you suggesting that we put his corpse on trial?

No, we put his legacy on trial. He should be remembered as something nobody should become.


I see. Are we in immediate danger of him being remembered as anything else?

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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 25, 2014 6:59 pm

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As I stated before, it's about as scientific as phrenology.

You still didn't prove it, I used credible scientific source materials, I used legitimate comparisons while you did none of that.


Okay, let's take a look at the "credible scientific source materials".

http://www.sscnet.ucla.edu/comm/hase..._to_Harris.pdf


404 Not Found.

Yep, credible scientific source material right there.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1087598/



There is some evidence that masculine male faces are found attractive (e.g. Cunningham et al. 1990; Grammer & Thornhill 1994), however, several studies have shown that feminine faces and faces of lowdominance are also attractive (Berry & McArthur 1985; Perrett et al. 1998). This suggests male facial attractiveness judgements may depend on more than just cues to immunocompetence (‘good genes’).


So it seems women aren't attracted to just Manly Men faces, something you conveniently omitted in your Mad Men fanboyism.

Why should some females not showa preference for phenotypic signs in males that provide cues to higher-quality immune systems? In certain species with bi-parental care, high phenotypic-quality males invest less in each female than males of lower phenotypic quality. For example, in male pine engraver beetles (Ips pini) large males are found to leave the female and her nest (i.e. stop investing) sooner than smaller males (Reid & Roitberg 1995; Robertson 1998). Robertson & Roitberg (1998) note that larger males had a greater potential for further reproduction than did smaller males and therefore benefited by leaving earlier. It has also been argued that, in humans, males in possession of good genes should also invest more time in seeking further mating opportunities with other females than in parenting behaviour (Gangestad & Simpson 2000). It may be adaptive for females in poor condition to show a preference for males displaying cues to relatively poor heritable parasite resistance, as the greater parental investment they may offer may be of greater benefit to them and their offspring than the heritable immunocompetence acquired from high-quality males.


And the study seems to suggest Manly Men are more likely to be interested in finding as many females to shag as possible than being a good parent. Clearly something the modern day woman finds attractive in a mate.

http://www.ehbonline.org/article/S10...025-0/abstract


Page Not Found. Oh look, more credible scientific source!

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1690211/


(a) Subjects

Seventy-nine female, University of California undergraduates completed the experiment for a course credit (mean age = 20.51 years and s.d. = 2.55 years)


Oh yeah, a real diverse and accurate representation of women in general.

Took me long to post because trying to copy and paste text from PDF is a bitch.
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Postby Galloism » Sun May 25, 2014 7:10 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Shie wrote:No, we put his legacy on trial. He should be remembered as something nobody should become.


I see. Are we in immediate danger of him being remembered as anything else?

Probably not.

There's not a whole lot of mud in Isla Vista to make a creepy ass statue out of, and "The man they called Elliot" is a fuck ass difficult song to make.
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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 25, 2014 7:22 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Shie wrote:No, we put his legacy on trial. He should be remembered as something nobody should become.


I see. Are we in immediate danger of him being remembered as anything else?


And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.
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Postby Yumyumsuppertime » Sun May 25, 2014 7:27 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
I see. Are we in immediate danger of him being remembered as anything else?


And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.


Because when he finally found the police catching up with him, cornered, nowhere to run, a bullet deep in his hip, and the only possible escape found down the barrel of a gun? He knew that he was finally and irrevocably fucked.

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Postby Neutraligon » Sun May 25, 2014 7:29 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
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And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.


Because when he finally found the police catching up with him, cornered, nowhere to run, a bullet deep in his hip, and the only possible escape found down the barrel of a gun? He knew that he was finally and irrevocably fucked.


Yeah, the dead thing does not help one's prospects for having sex. As for the way, that explains why he killed himself, not why he went on the rampage in the first place. Ah well, we will never know.
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Postby Dakini » Sun May 25, 2014 7:33 pm

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Dakini wrote:Considering that his rant contained references to him being the ultimate alpha, he belonged to a forum that hates PUAs (not because what they do is sexist, but because what they do didn't work), and he very clearly hated women deeply, I'm pretty sure he was deep in the manosphere shit.

Where's Chateau Heartiste?

As far as I know it's a horrifically sexist website full of terrible people.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 25, 2014 7:34 pm

Neutraligon wrote:And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.


If he was a Muslim, perhaps he believed in the 72 virgins. But I'm going to have to rule that out if there is no evidence for a Qur'an being at his residence. Any other mainstream religions which believe that sex can happen in the afterlife?
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 25, 2014 7:36 pm

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Neutraligon wrote:And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.


If he was a Muslim, perhaps he believed in the 72 virgins. But I'm going to have to rule that out if there is no evidence for a Qur'an being at his residence. Any other mainstream religions which believe that sex can happen in the afterlife?


A totally pointless cheap shot at Muslims from a white supremacist.

Call me surprised.
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Postby The Joseon Dynasty » Sun May 25, 2014 7:36 pm

Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Neutraligon wrote:
And ironically enough, now he will never have a chance to have sex with a woman. I'm trying to understand how he thought going on a killing rampage would help his "problem" of being a virgin.


Because when he finally found the police catching up with him, cornered, nowhere to run, a bullet deep in his hip, and the only possible escape found down the barrel of a gun? He knew that he was finally and irrevocably fucked.

I'm not going to play armchair psychologist here, but I'm going to point out that if you take a look at his other videos, he's confused and angry about a lot more shit than just "why am I still a virgin?". I doubt he went on a shooting rampage on that impulse alone.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 25, 2014 7:39 pm

The Joseon Dynasty wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Because when he finally found the police catching up with him, cornered, nowhere to run, a bullet deep in his hip, and the only possible escape found down the barrel of a gun? He knew that he was finally and irrevocably fucked.

I'm not going to play armchair psychologist here, but I'm going to point out that if you take a look at his other videos, he's confused and angry about a lot more shit than just "why am I still a virgin?". I doubt he went on a shooting rampage on that impulse alone.


If not getting laid was enough to make someone go on a killing spree, this country would be fucked... and not in the way those poor bastards want.
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Postby Dakini » Sun May 25, 2014 7:39 pm

Neutraligon wrote:
Yumyumsuppertime wrote:
Because when he finally found the police catching up with him, cornered, nowhere to run, a bullet deep in his hip, and the only possible escape found down the barrel of a gun? He knew that he was finally and irrevocably fucked.


Yeah, the dead thing does not help one's prospects for having sex. As for the way, that explains why he killed himself, not why he went on the rampage in the first place. Ah well, we will never know.

Yes we will. He published a huge manifesto explaining why he did it.

Basically it's because he thought he was entitled to fuck women and no women wanted to fuck him. Therefore, his solution was to kill as many women as he could. He also proposed putting women in concentration camps (of course, after killing most women).

It was basically a hate crime against women.

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Postby Saiwania » Sun May 25, 2014 7:39 pm

Gauthier wrote:A totally pointless cheap shot at Muslims from a white supremacist. Call me surprised.


Not all Muslims interpret the passage pertaining to that to mean there are 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, but it can't be denied that there are Islamic fundamentalists who believe in such, to the extent that it can't be fully separated from the religion of Islam in general.
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Postby Gauthier » Sun May 25, 2014 7:43 pm

Saiwania wrote:
Gauthier wrote:A totally pointless cheap shot at Muslims from a white supremacist. Call me surprised.


Not all Muslims interpret the passage pertaining to that to mean there are 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, but it can't be denied that there are Islamic fundamentalists who believe in such, to the extent that it can't be fully separated from the religion of Islam in general.


Unless Rodger was a Muslim, a nonsequitur and thus still a pointless cheap shot.
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Postby Blakk Metal » Sun May 25, 2014 7:43 pm

Dakini wrote:
Blakk Metal wrote:Where's Chateau Heartiste?

As far as I know it's a horrifically sexist website full of terrible people.

How is how is making a bunch of women feel bad 'horrific'?

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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun May 25, 2014 7:44 pm

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Gauthier wrote:A totally pointless cheap shot at Muslims from a white supremacist. Call me surprised.


Not all Muslims interpret the passage pertaining to that to mean there are 72 virgins waiting for them in heaven, but it can't be denied that there are Islamic fundamentalists who believe in such, to the extent that it can't be fully separated from the religion of Islam in general.


You do know that this argument is threadjacking into Islam in general, and that not everyone thinks they will receive 72 virgins if they go down to the capitalist pigs, right?
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Postby Soldati Senza Confini » Sun May 25, 2014 7:47 pm

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Dakini wrote:As far as I know it's a horrifically sexist website full of terrible people.

How is how is making a bunch of women feel bad 'horrific'?


You're not really good at adverbial expletives, are you?
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