No dates? Shoot a bunch of people. Santa Barbara Drive By.

[Novorobo]

I'm not going to watch the video. I already know what it's going to be.

It's going to be the cock carousel red pill nonsense, which has been statistically debunked in the first place.

some very sexually active women are fucking some very sexually active men.
The vast majority of us keep sexual encounters in relationships with occasional one night stands.

The statement regularly used that 20% of the males are getting 80% of the sex?
Yeh.
It's true.
But it's about 20% of the females giving it to them. It's not like all females everywhere are rejecting the vast majority of males as sexual partners in favor of that 20%. (This is ALWAYS left out of those cock carousel arguments.)
It's that the vast majority of people simply don't sleep around, and yeh, we end up having substantially less sex than both of those 20% groups, and instead keep to monogamy or close to monogamy in terms of sexual relationships. And that works out perfectly fine for most of us.


So he was motivated by bullshit and did something that didn't make any fucking sense even if that bullshit was entirely true.
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It still doesn't excuse his behavior.

Say what you will to defend him. Truth is I was there. I was at the point where he was at 22 fucking years of age, where I felt unattractive and women rejected me. I didn't go and kill anyone; in fact I just fucking improved my game. I got laid when I was 24, it wasn't that big a deal. I did complain "why do women don't look at me?" you know what my father said "Get over it."

I didn't get it at first; but now I do, and yes, I should have gotten the fuck over it and gotten out there. I may have had way more sex than what I did.

Also, the video is this kid who goes about saying that, because he didn't get laid and because women did not pay attention to him he was going to kill everyone. If that isn't fucked up I don't know what it is. His other videos make him across as a douche.

I think Ostro's point is that there's plenty of people inclined to violence out there but not all of them commit violent crimes; especially not as serious as murder; because not all of them are convinced by BS that makes them think it would actually be justified to do so.

Sort of like with terrorism, really.

[Dakini]

You know, you really have to be trolling at this point to get so close to describing the exact opposite situation the shooter was in. The shooter was driving a BMW. His father is a movie producer. He was also pretty okay looking. I've definitely seen uglier, poorer and less-famous guys get into relationships before. If he had a reasonable personality to go with all of that, he would have been set, but as we can see from his video tirades, he did not have a reasonable personality.

If you read my further responses, I went on to explain his precise issues with scientific fact that explain why he's unsuccessful with the ladies and I'm not going to repeat myself.

I continued to read and saw further confirmation that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

[Shie]

If you read my further responses, I went on to explain his precise issues with scientific fact that explain why he's unsuccessful with the ladies and I'm not going to repeat myself.

As I stated before, it's about as scientific as phrenology.

You still didn't prove it, I used credible scientific source materials, I used legitimate comparisons while you did none of that.

[Dakini]

Probably for the best. Otherwise, we'd end up with the same result but him ranting about how the whores didn't give him a discount based on how charming and handsome he was.

Additionally, i suspect that a relationship would have also ended up tragically.

Indeed. If he had found a woman who was willing to date him out of pity (as some have suggested one should have because clearly, women only exist for the benefit of men), we would probably be reading about a murder/suicide after an extended bout of stalking when the relationship ended.

[Shie]

If you read my further responses, I went on to explain his precise issues with scientific fact that explain why he's unsuccessful with the ladies and I'm not going to repeat myself.

I continued to read and saw further confirmation that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Explain why I'm wrong and you're right when I used scientific sources and those who tried to counter me did not.

[Dakini]

As I stated before, it's about as scientific as phrenology.

You still didn't prove it, I used credible scientific source materials, I used legitimate comparisons while you did none of that.

Not really... you added your own interpretation onto a study which you mutilated and plopped out here. Then you went on to make such ludicrous claims that beauty standards have been constant across all time (when we know that they aren't even constant across cultures).

At any rate, speaking as a woman who is attracted to men, the kid was reasonably good looking. If he'd had anything going for him other than "I have a fancy car and rich parents" he probably could have got plenty of dates.

[Dakini]

I continued to read and saw further confirmation that you don't have a fucking clue what you're talking about.

Explain why I'm wrong and you're right when I used scientific sources and those who tried to counter me did not.

If I didn't think you were just a total troll, then maybe I would. As I said though, the fact that your earlier post suggested that you had to have known that you were describing the exact things this privileged brat had going for him preceded by "if only he had..." suggests that you are just trolling.

At any rate, the study of human attraction is still pretty new and it's still being hotly debated. This isn't anywhere near settled science. What we have seen is a number of posters who outright stated "if the kid wasn't a shithead, I'd have tapped that".

[Norstal]

He went and murdered a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid? WTF!?! Seriously, I've known some very...different people who actually get girlfriends. I suspect that he must have one hell of an obnoxious personality.

There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.

[Novorobo]

Additionally, i suspect that a relationship would have also ended up tragically.

Indeed. If he had found a woman who was willing to date him out of pity (as some have suggested one should have because clearly, women only exist for the benefit of men), we would probably be reading about a murder/suicide after an extended bout of stalking when the relationship ended.

No sense putting words in their mouths. You do know that there are plenty of those who condone giving in to emotional blackmail committed by women as well, right?

[Vitaphone Racing]

He went and murdered a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid? WTF!?! Seriously, I've known some very...different people who actually get girlfriends. I suspect that he must have one hell of an obnoxious personality.

There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.

He posted on the misc regularly. He posted a thread three days ago about how frustrated he was that no girls liked him and one even had the audacity to be with an Indian who drove a Honda Civic (not even a late model!!!!!) when he drove a BMW. He was subsequently trolled and flamed, probably helped send him over the edge.

[Blakk Metal]

A real man is chivalrous, a real woman is a maiden.

Chivalry? You mean where men can and often did have sex while women should be at home making children?

Yea, the Spaniards did come up with such an outdated idea. We abandoned it because of obvious reasons.

What does 'outdated' mean in this context anyway?

[Dakini]

He went and murdered a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid? WTF!?! Seriously, I've known some very...different people who actually get girlfriends. I suspect that he must have one hell of an obnoxious personality.

There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.

Considering that his rant contained references to him being the ultimate alpha, he belonged to a forum that hates PUAs (not because what they do is sexist, but because what they do didn't work), and he very clearly hated women deeply, I'm pretty sure he was deep in the manosphere shit.

[Dakini]

Indeed. If he had found a woman who was willing to date him out of pity (as some have suggested one should have because clearly, women only exist for the benefit of men), we would probably be reading about a murder/suicide after an extended bout of stalking when the relationship ended.

No sense putting words in their mouths.

I wasn't. You can read the thread and find statements from posters about how some woman should have dated him out of pity. Or others about how everyone who wants a romantic relationship is entitled to one.

You do know that there are plenty of those who condone giving in to emotional blackmail committed by women as well, right?

What?

I'm not talking about emotional blackmail. I'm talking about how various posters in this thread have stated that this guy was entitled to a woman to date. There is no way that a man is entitled to a woman's time, affection, body etc without suggesting that women only exist for the pleasure or convenience of men. When a woman shoots up a place because she couldn't get a date and people go on at length about how she was entitled to one, then you can go bring up your equivalence, but I think we'd be much less likely to see it.

[Novorobo]

I wasn't. You can read the thread and find statements from posters about how some woman should have dated him out of pity.

I'm a milder version of that; I don't think this guy would've been saved by it, but I do believe that, so long as pragmatic considerations often take priority over the purely attraction-based components of the decision, how romantically popular someone already is otherwise may as well be one of these. I do not recall specifying the sexes of those involved in this, as I believe it could be a factor for either.

Or others about how everyone who wants a romantic relationship is entitled to one.

That's pushing it as it is either way, but it's not the same thing as saying only men were entitled to one. You were putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

I'm not talking about emotional blackmail. I'm talking about how various posters in this thread have stated that this guy was entitled to a woman to date. There is no way that a man is entitled to a woman's time, affection, body etc without suggesting that women only exist for the pleasure or convenience of men. When a woman shoots up a place because she couldn't get a date and people go on at length about how she was entitled to one, then you can go bring up your equivalence, but I think we'd be much less likely to see it.

And until or unless we actually have that for comparison, and the same users, involved in the same thread, aren't saying it, you don't know and are essentially putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

No sense putting words in their mouths.

I wasn't. You can read the thread and find statements from posters about how some woman should have dated him out of pity. Or others about how everyone who wants a romantic relationship is entitled to one.

You do know that there are plenty of those who condone giving in to emotional blackmail committed by women as well, right?

What?

I'm not talking about emotional blackmail. I'm talking about how various posters in this thread have stated that this guy was entitled to a woman to date. There is no way that a man is entitled to a woman's time, affection, body etc without suggesting that women only exist for the pleasure or convenience of men. When a woman shoots up a place because she couldn't get a date and people go on at length about how she was entitled to one, then you can go bring up your equivalence, but I think we'd be much less likely to see it.

And even then, as a man I do not have to respect such a hypothetical woman's wishes to have a boyfriend would she be someone I know.

Nobody has any entitlement over anyone else's time, affection, body, and other significant resources out of some source of pity.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

I wasn't. You can read the thread and find statements from posters about how some woman should have dated him out of pity.

I'm a milder version of that; I don't think this guy would've been saved by it, but I do believe that, so long as pragmatic considerations often take priority over the purely attraction-based components of the decision, how romantically popular someone already is otherwise may as well be one of these. I do not recall specifying the sexes of those involved in this, as I believe it could be a factor for either.

Or others about how everyone who wants a romantic relationship is entitled to one.

That's pushing it as it is either way, but it's not the same thing as saying only men were entitled to one. You were putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

I'm not talking about emotional blackmail. I'm talking about how various posters in this thread have stated that this guy was entitled to a woman to date. There is no way that a man is entitled to a woman's time, affection, body etc without suggesting that women only exist for the pleasure or convenience of men. When a woman shoots up a place because she couldn't get a date and people go on at length about how she was entitled to one, then you can go bring up your equivalence, but I think we'd be much less likely to see it.

And until or unless we actually have that for comparison, and the same users, involved in the same thread, aren't saying it, you don't know and are essentially putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

Both sides of the aisle have said it: you do not owe anyone a relationship out of pity.

How hard is it to understand that relationships are about two people where there's chemistry as well as other pragmatic and sentimental factors; not just some duty to please some poor idiot out on the street?

I couldn't be in a relationship where a woman drags me out of pity or some other emotional blackmail bullshit. I'd feel cheated out of my own freedom to choose.

[Dakini]

I wasn't. You can read the thread and find statements from posters about how some woman should have dated him out of pity.

I'm a milder version of that; I don't think this guy would've been saved by it, but I do believe that, so long as pragmatic considerations often take priority over the purely attraction-based components of the decision, how romantically popular someone already is otherwise may as well be one of these. I do not recall specifying the sexes of those involved in this, as I believe it could be a factor for either.

Who gives a shit if the guy "would've been saved"? It's not up to women to "save" him from himself. It's not up to women to take one for the team and date a guy they don't find attractive (either physically or emotionally).

Or others about how everyone who wants a romantic relationship is entitled to one.

That's pushing it as it is either way, but it's not the same thing as saying only men were entitled to one. You were putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

Considering the overwhelming cultural narrative where unattractive men are entitled to relationships but unattractive women aren't... especially the narrative that exists in the circles this guy was running in...

I'm not talking about emotional blackmail. I'm talking about how various posters in this thread have stated that this guy was entitled to a woman to date. There is no way that a man is entitled to a woman's time, affection, body etc without suggesting that women only exist for the pleasure or convenience of men. When a woman shoots up a place because she couldn't get a date and people go on at length about how she was entitled to one, then you can go bring up your equivalence, but I think we'd be much less likely to see it.

And until or unless we actually have that for comparison, and the same users, involved in the same thread, aren't saying it, you don't know and are essentially putting words in their mouths nonetheless.

Not really. Not only do I doubt that we'll actually see a woman go on a shooting rampage because she can't get a date, but there is this narrative that men somehow deserve dates, but can't get them while women don't but easily can (which ignores the women who can't).

[Dakini]

And even then, as a man I do not have to respect such a hypothetical woman's wishes to have a boyfriend would she be someone I know.

Nobody has any entitlement over anyone else's time, affection, body, and other significant resources out of some source of pity.

Indeed.

[Blakk Metal]

There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.

Considering that his rant contained references to him being the ultimate alpha, he belonged to a forum that hates PUAs (not because what they do is sexist, but because what they do didn't work), and he very clearly hated women deeply, I'm pretty sure he was deep in the manosphere shit.

Where's Chateau Heartiste?

[Trollzilla]

The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

[Shie]

The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.

A real man has sex with one woman, only.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.

Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.

[Infected Mushroom]

He went and murdered a bunch of people because he couldn't get laid? WTF!?! Seriously, I've known some very...different people who actually get girlfriends. I suspect that he must have one hell of an obnoxious personality.

There's probably other factors quite honestly. Then again, I wouldn't be surprised if a red-piller would shoot up a place just because they can't get a girlfriend.

Man, why can't red-pillers just get a Dakimakura pillow or something.

What's a red-piller?

Does it have something to do with the Matrix?

[Neutraligon]

The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.

A real man has sex with one woman, only.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.

Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.

Seriously what's with the real man real woman thing, it's so completely ridiculous.

[Yumyumsuppertime]

The problem is the media, society and culture which teach that in order to be a real man you have to have sex with as many women as possible and own as many women as possible.

A real man has sex with one woman, only.

This creates unrealistic expectations in impressionable young men and when reality clashes with this culturally promoted stereotype some people break and go on shooting rampages.

Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.

From the video and news reports this guy was clearly mentally unhinged. The problem is that instead of getting mental health assistance for him his parents only called the police to have him arrested. A lot of good that did for the victims.

I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.

He's dead. Are you suggesting that we put his corpse on trial?

[Yumyumsuppertime]

A real man has sex with one woman, only.

Stereotypes can be changed with enough repetition.


I empathize with the boy but his deeds should not go unpunished.

Seriously what's with the real man real woman thing, it's so completely ridiculous.

It's Shie's 1,000th attempt to hijack a thread to make it about himself and his bizarre, off-kilter view of the universe rather than about the subject at hand.