Cuba Embargo, is it still necessary?

[Soldati Senza Confini]

Wrong. As a matter of fact, one of the things that this country holds most sacred is that we don't have to support it's causes.

Don't have to, but you still should.

You really don't have to.

I may be patriotic towards the U.S. but I cannot avoid fuming at the stupidity with which we handle situations internationally at times. Having the guts to criticize your own country as well as stand by its side is what patriotism means, not some blasse excuse of patriotism where you are just a "yes man". That's not patriotism, that's kissing ass.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

Nope.

[Soldati Senza Confini]

We aren't some holy state. War happens. We shouldn't have been fighting in Vietnam or Angola. Fighting against American imperialism was a good thing. We were on the wrong side of the war, not them.

How can you objectively say that we were on the wrong side of either conflict? Do you not think the VC or the MPLA committed any atrocities?

The U.S. also made many atrocities and even went back on how Roosevelt and Truman handled Ho Chi Minh.

And to be fair, the government established by the U.S. before the war broke out was nothing but a sham pro-US government which we blatantly allowed to trample all over people as long as they kissed our asses. How can we be in the right when it was literally our fault the war broke out to begin with?

[Nekronia]

I'd say it's not necessary, as there's no longer any point in keeping it up. They lack any threat to the US, the Cold War is over, the trade would be mutually beneficial, and the flow of money could help end the authoritarianism or oppression or whatever. Fidel even said that the embargo was the only thing making it possible for him to stay in power.

[Rio Cana]

Thats interesting, didn't know Cuba is permanently stuck in the past....

It is. You can see that by their outdated system of government, failed economy, etc.

At least they did manage to finally chase out all the foreign exploiters which in itself is a most remarkable thing for a small island nation. The Spanish did not want to let go of Cuba. They had too much invested there. They threw everything they had into that war effort. Then the rising power of the US which wanted a say in Cuba got into the act after the Spanish left. Brazil and other nations have had a much less turbulent path compared to Cuba when it came to becoming Independent. It took that island around 470 years for them to be in charge of 99% of there island. The US base on that island makes up that missing 1%.

All this could explain why in Cuba they try to maintain the following has best has they can (see video) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IY0rRYsQzw

[Souriya Al-Assad]

It is. You can see that by their outdated system of government, failed economy, etc.

At least they did manage to finally chase out all the foreign exploiters which in itself is a most remarkable thing for a small island nation. The Spanish did not want to let go of Cuba. They had too much invested there. They threw everything they had into that war effort. Then the rising power of the US which wanted a say in Cuba got into the act after the Spanish left. Brazil and other nations have had a much less turbulent path compared to Cuba when it came to becoming Independent. It took that island around 470 years for them to be in charge of 99% of there island. The US base on that island makes up that missing 1%.

All this could explain why in Cuba they try to maintain the following has best has they can (see video) -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-IY0rRYsQzw

All is needed is for Cuba to get some T-90MS tanks moreover get that 1% back into their hands thence voila

[Chestaan]

Was it ever necessary?

[Aeternabilis]

I say we remove the embargo. If we do that, it would not only help the Cubans, but us as well what with the new source of tourism. Removing it could also make them lean more towards capitalism, because Americans will be putting our ideals in the cuban's heads.

[Chestaan]

I say we remove the embargo. If we do that, it would not only help the Cubans, but us as well what with the new source of tourism. Removing it could also make them lean more towards capitalism, because Americans will be putting our ideals in the cuban's heads.

Damn... maybe you guys should keep the embargo. Also, it says a lot about your priorities that you specifically mentioned capitalism and not democracy.

[Rio Cana]

I am in no way a supporter of Communism, but I suspect Cuba may at least have a better human rights track record than other communist nations (China and North Korea at least). Plus, most of the world already trades with Cuba. In fact, it's hugely popular to go there as a Canadian, they tend to welcome us pretty well from what I've heard. I do think it's time for the US to open up because the embargo is frankly not doing much good for either country. I'm sure Cubans would enjoy having some newer cars, and I'm equally sure American smokers would enjoy being able to legally buy Cuban cigars. Those are two small industries though, and I'm sure Cuba and America can benefit from a number more (perhaps sugar trade?).

Concerning the autos in Cuba, last year they passed a law allowing people to buy new foreign autos. Before they could only trade in autos made before 1960 without needing a permit. Autos 1960 and on needed a permit which were hard to get. Also, not many new autos to buy back then.

Chances are Cuba will fill up with Kia, Hyundai and Toyota just like us but only if the government stops marking up the auto prices 300%. The Government controls the importation and sale of the autos. Seems they need the cash. Seems they only take Cash, no five year payment plan.

But new cars may not line the streets overnight, as new car pricing is more than 300% over normal sticker prices

$42000 US dollars for a Kia Rio. Here they start around $15000. Of course, if you buy it on credit here then when you finish paying its easily over $20000. The worse the credit the more expensive the auto.
Read this on the $42000 Kia Rio.
https://autos.yahoo.com/news/42-000-kia ... 59199.html

[Greed and Death]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

[Rio Cana]

Ever heard of taking a tax loss. Those US companies and US citizens people that lost money in Cuba more then likely took a tax loss. And in the end, chances are many did not have financial losses. They got back there initial investments many times over. Chances are many of those companies paid little to no taxes in Cuba for all the profits they made on that island.

[Aushanit]

There really is no real need for it however not really seeing a reason why we should lift it. We should focus are efforts in nations like Brazil and Chile who have great potentials as trade partners. Leave Cuba for China and Venezuela their already to far gone in my opinion but if they want to lift it then more power to them.

[Saruhan]

Ever heard of taking a tax loss. Those US companies and US citizens people that lost money in Cuba more then likely took a tax loss. And in the end, chances are many did not have financial losses. They got back there initial investments many times over. Chances are many of those companies paid little to no taxes in Cuba for all the profits they made on that island.

So this means that losing all their private property was worth it? I agree that they had way too much influence over the island, but they should have been compensated

[Threlizdun]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

Sure, just as soon as we compensate all the families of Cubans murdered by Batista and his predecessors we helped install as well offering an official apology for the Bay of Pig Invasion as well.

[MERIZoC]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

Why should the corporations be compensated? They don't have rights.

[Geilinor]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

Sure, just as soon as we compensate all the families of Cubans murdered by Batista and his predecessors we helped install as well offering an official apology for the Bay of Pig Invasion as well.

And just as soon as the families of Cubans murdered by Castro are compensated.

[Geilinor]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

Why should the corporations be compensated? They don't have rights.

The people who held shares in the corporations have rights.

[Threlizdun]

Sure, just as soon as we compensate all the families of Cubans murdered by Batista and his predecessors we helped install as well offering an official apology for the Bay of Pig Invasion as well.

And just as soon as the families of Cubans murdered by Castro are compensated.

Not arguing that shouldn't happen

[The Republic of Merrimont]

Remove the embargo there's no point in it anymore.

[Papait]

There really is no real need for it however not really seeing a reason why we should lift it. We should focus are efforts in nations like Brazil and Chile who have great potentials as trade partners. Leave Cuba for China and Venezuela their already to far gone in my opinion but if they want to lift it then more power to them.

because america is a oppressive cancer that believes only one sysmtem can be the right one, theirs
thy have no rightto block a other country from trading freely.
They are not helping anyone, they only want to watch anyone who isnt them or israel suffer

[Etha]

*Neccesary*...

[MERIZoC]

Why should the corporations be compensated? They don't have rights.

The people who held shares in the corporations have rights.

It was their choice to buy the shares. Cuba has no legal obligation to repay them.

[Eastern Equestria]

I am all for removing the embargo provided that refugees are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government and american corporations are compensated for the property seized by the Cuban government.

Sure, just as soon as we compensate all the families of Cubans murdered by Batista and his predecessors we helped install as well offering an official apology for the Bay of Pig Invasion as well.

You don't know much about Cuban history do you?

[Threlizdun]

Sure, just as soon as we compensate all the families of Cubans murdered by Batista and his predecessors we helped install as well offering an official apology for the Bay of Pig Invasion as well.

You don't know much about Cuban history do you?

Obviously not. Care to enlighten me?