UKIP 'Diversity Carnival' Croydon - A total disaster?

[Ostroeuropa]

I actually find this all a bit pathetic. Not that I would stop anyone going to a UKIP event and kicking up a fuss your perfectly entitled to do so. However your efforts would be better spent offering a better alternative rather than going to UKIP events and kicking up a fuss.

All together I find the obsession with UKIP rather tedious. Nigel Farage and his party are not social pariahs nor are they geniuses and they should stop being treated as such.

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.

The greens are one I see thrown about a lot.

[European Socialist Republic]

I think we can leave the P out of the PIGS now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... GY20140502

I guess that's a relief until one notices that Portugal is the smallest of them.

Which reminds me, didn't Ireland also complete the EU-IMF plan? Can we now remove the I too? The GS doesn't exactly have the same ring...

[Britcan]

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.

The greens are one I see thrown about a lot.

They're certainly better than UKIP, though some of their policies are a little ridiculous.

[The Serbian Empire]

I guess that's a relief until one notices that Portugal is the smallest of them.

Which reminds me, didn't Ireland also complete the EU-IMF plan? Can we now remove the I too?

Did you forget Italy... the big one that still seems to be sinking lower.

[Greater-London]

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.

I completely agree.

However if you don't like them you should be promoting the alternative rather than going out with no other intention but to sabotage them.

I saw a Green Party placard outside my student union today it said. "May 22nd National Don't vote UKIP day". How about you put a sign up saying Vote Green?

[Nierr]

I am certainly no Ukipper but which liberties do you think would be threatened by a UKIP victory?

Right to travel within the EU.
Right to settle within the EU.
Universal healthcare access within the EU and possibly inside the UK.
The human rights act would be repealed, etc.

As well as that, UKIP opposed the right to free assembly and the right to free speech, going by their recent actions.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Is there anything you can think of which you couldn't express in a 'politically correct' way?

Yes. Say I'm a radical preacher, I think that gay people should be hung and are an abomination to society. I couldn't express that in a politically correct way

You just did, congratulations.

You can say awful things in a way where the words you choose aren't deliberately offensive of and in themselves. That's all political correctness really amounts to.

Even if you could hypothetically say everything you wanted but in a "politically correct way" that's not the point. It is a limit on free speech because your restricting the words and ways people can express themselves.

What is the specific advantage to our society of calling someone a poofter?

[European Socialist Republic]

Which reminds me, didn't Ireland also complete the EU-IMF plan? Can we now remove the I too?

Did you forget Italy... the big one that still seems to be sinking lower.

Last time I checked we weren't bailing them out. Did I miss something?

[Greater-London]

The greens are one I see thrown about a lot.

NO 2 EU I feel should be put out their to, as a Eurosceptic alternative.

[The UK in Exile]

A statement from farage on the political correctness issue, and in support of reform section 5. and it's one I entirely agree with.

“In a robust democracy people must be free to insult and be insulted. We have laws that protect against incitement to violence and hatred, that should be enough. To protect my feelings from those who wish to laugh at me or hold me in contempt is a freedom I never wanted, nor hoped for. So three cheers for this campaign, three cheers for those like Peter Tatchell, The Christian Institute, David Davis, The National Secular Society, the Freedom Association, Big Brother Watch and all the others standing up for the liberty of people to throw verbal brickbats around.’

He had a rather different view when Anna Soubry suggested he resembled a man who'd had finger stuck up his bottom and was quite enjoying it. Wasn't quite so forgive and forget then. Nor for that matter, where the Kippers who called the cambridgeshire police on a man who had the temerity to suggest UKIP policy was UKIP policy.

[The UK in Exile]

Is there anything you can think of which you couldn't express in a 'politically correct' way?

Yes. Say I'm a radical preacher, I think that gay people should be hung and are an abomination to society. I couldn't express that in a politically correct way .

You'd be pretty hypocritical to complain when they suggested you be hung for saying it.

[Lordieth]

What irritates me most is the constant actions of the try-hards trying to portray the entire party as racist. It's extremely irritating. No other political party has its members' opinions and comments scrutinised so heavily. Only because you aren't hearing about racist comments coming from their members doesn't mean their aren't any.

The media loves a hate figure, and UKIP make themselves a prime target for it with their views on immigration. Quite frankly I'm bored of it now. I don't particularly think UKIP has much to offer beyond a protest vote, but the froth-at-the-mouth leftism they're barraged with is far more irritating.

Don't like their policies, fine. Name calling is for children.

[Greater-London]

You just did, congratulations.
You can say awful things in a way where the words you choose aren't deliberately offensive of and in themselves. That's all
political correctness really amounts to.

Okay say I go out and stand in the middle of town tomorrow and do that? are you telling me that won't attract interest from the police and I won't be moved on.

What is the specific advantage to our society of calling someone a poofter?

None whatsoever, why does their need to be? theirs no specific advantage to society of me drinking a can of Coke. In fact the only support I have for it is "I like the taste"; does that mean my right to drink a Coke could legitimately stopped?

[Alyakia]

What irritates me most is the constant actions of the try-hards trying to portray the entire party as racist. It's extremely irritating. No other political party has its members' opinions and comments scrutinised so heavily. Only because you aren't hearing about racist comments coming from their members doesn't mean their aren't any.

The media loves a hate figure, and UKIP make themselves a prime target for it with their views on immigration. Quite frankly I'm bored of it now. I don't particularly think UKIP has much to offer beyond a protest vote, but the froth-at-the-mouth leftism they're barraged with is far more irritating.

Don't like their policies, fine. Name calling is for children.

labour or tory MP candidate denying the holocaust. you have 24 hours. go. go now.

[The UK in Exile]

What irritates me most is the constant actions of the try-hards trying to portray the entire party as racist. It's extremely irritating. No other political party has its members' opinions and comments scrutinised so heavily. Only because you aren't hearing about racist comments coming from their members doesn't mean their aren't any.

The media loves a hate figure, and UKIP make themselves a prime target for it with their views on immigration. Quite frankly I'm bored of it now. I don't particularly think UKIP has much to offer beyond a protest vote, but the froth-at-the-mouth leftism they're barraged with is far more irritating.

Don't like their policies, fine. Name calling is for children.

labour or tory MP candidate denying the holocaust. you have 24 hours. go. go now.

Bonus points if they dressed in an SS uniform.

[Britcan]

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.

I completely agree.

However if you don't like them you should be promoting the alternative rather than going out with no other intention but to sabotage them.

I saw a Green Party placard outside my student union today it said. "May 22nd National Don't vote UKIP day". How about you put a sign up saying Vote Green?

It's perfectly possible to both protest UKIP and support another party simultaneously. Doing one doesn't prevent you from doing the other.

I'd imagine that's because the Greens are pretty much opposed to everything on UKIP's platform and would prefer that people vote for just about anyone else. I believe they have been trying to position themselves as the anti-UKIP recently, so doing that makes sense.

[Greater-London]

You'd be pretty hypocritical to complain when they suggested you be hung for saying it.

Exactly. But radical religion and hypocrisy tend to partner.

[Nierr]

What irritates me most is the constant actions of the try-hards trying to portray the entire party as racist. It's extremely irritating. No other political party has its members' opinions and comments scrutinised so heavily.

This is actually not true in the slightest.

UKIP is under as much scrutiny as any other party. It looks like more because UKIP have gone from almost zero scrutiny to some scrutiny. There is more to come out about UKIP, there is more that needs publicising. Farage's expensives, UKIPs allies in the European Parliament and plenty of other stuff.

Supporters of UKIP decry political correctness and try to hide behind the banner of free speech. They should learn that there is a difference between free speech and consequence free speech. UKIP is now learning that difference.

[The Serbian Empire]

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.

I completely agree.

However if you don't like them you should be promoting the alternative rather than going out with no other intention but to sabotage them.

I saw a Green Party placard outside my student union today it said. "May 22nd National Don't vote UKIP day". How about you put a sign up saying Vote Green?

They think of UKIP as far worse than the Tories. That's what the Greens are after. They don't care who wins as long as it's not UKIP.

Did you forget Italy... the big one that still seems to be sinking lower.

Last time I checked we weren't bailing them out. Did I miss something?

I think the Italians are having economic growth issues that lead to future bailouts as looking at fact Italy has seen zero economic growth overall since 2000 while debt grows at a far faster rate. The recent budget surplus is also deceptive as it was created by such austerity measures as to strangle economic growth in hopes of preserving the Euro and avoiding bailouts in the present. Worse yet, there was a time with Italy having interest rates on 10 year treasuries at 7% only a few years ago. How can they keep a surplus or even stay above the debt target when the economy is growing far too slow to pay off debt.

[Wolfmanne]

I live one borough away from Croydon. Knowing the area, why the fuck did UKIP pick Croydon, of all the boroughs in London? Of course it was going to get hijacked.

[Greater-London]

It's perfectly possible to both protest UKIP and support another party simultaneously. Doing one doesn't prevent you from doing the other.

I'd imagine that's because the Greens are pretty much opposed to everything on UKIP's platform and would prefer that people vote for just about anyone else. I believe they have been trying to position themselves as the anti-UKIP recently, so doing that makes sense.

I know, however time would be better spent spreading that parties message rather than just criticizing another. Negative campaigning is lazy and worst of all tends not to work - notice how UKIPs poll rating remain ever high despite the fact were told every single time someone says something riduclous (no matter how minor)

Except its incredibly hypocritical of the Greens, they repeatedly accuse UKIP of being the "nasty party" or "negative" and they are putting a positive message forward. Yet part of their campaign (admittedly a tiny one) is just saying "do anything but vote UKIP". It's also quite a poor strategy if they want to grow as a party if part of their message is just "dont vote for those guys"

[Nierr]

I live one borough away from Croydon. Knowing the area, why the fuck did UKIP pick Croydon, of all the boroughs in London? Of course it was going to get hijacked.

Which is exactly what they wanted.

[The UK in Exile]

You'd be pretty hypocritical to complain when they suggested you be hung for saying it.

Exactly. But radical religion and hypocrisy tend to partner.

Well we can stand to hear less from them then.

[Greater-London]

Bonus points if they dressed in an SS uniform.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-26059862 how about that ? that's certainly involves dressing up as Nazi's.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Okay say I go out and stand in the middle of town tomorrow and do that? are you telling me that won't attract interest from the police and I won't be moved on.

Depends on the member of the police, doesn't it.

What is the specific advantage to our society of calling someone a poofter?

None whatsoever, why does their need to be?

Because we all have to get along, that's why. And being politically incorrect on purpose (ie rude to people who're already put-upon for the sake of it) doesn't help with that.

theirs no specific advantage to society of me drinking a can of Coke. In fact the only support I have for it is "I like the taste"

Reason enough.