UKIP 'Diversity Carnival' Croydon - A total disaster?

[European Socialist Republic]

That... doesn't prove anything.
Just because non-racists vote for a party doesn't automatically make that party non-racist.

Many of it's candidates are from ethnic minorities.
Why do you think it's a racist party?

So? Emil Maurice was a member of the Nazi party.

I didn't say that, only that your argument doesn't make sense.

[Nierr]

A party full of creeps. A vote for UKIP is a vote for shallow thinking.

Worse than that, a vote for UKIP is a vote against many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Again, actually look this shit up if you want to be taken seriously.

What I like best about your site is that literally all of the examples are followed by "but actually it turned out to be fine and nobody got in trouble really, in fact many of those accused were compensated by police". The sign of a totalitarian state right there.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a sponge for boorish, ugly ideas.

[Ostroeuropa]

A party full of creeps. A vote for UKIP is a vote for shallow thinking.

Worse than that, a vote for UKIP is a vote against many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.

This much is true. There are many liberties that would be lost by a UKIP victory.

[Alyakia]

Again, actually look this shit up if you want to be taken seriously.

What I like best about your site is that literally all of the examples are followed by "but actually it turned out to be fine and nobody got in trouble really, in fact many of those accused were compensated by police". The sign of a totalitarian state right there.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a sponge for boorish, ugly ideas.

never forget the gay horse 4.

[The Serbian Empire]

A party full of creeps. A vote for UKIP is a vote for shallow thinking.

Worse than that, a vote for UKIP is a vote against many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.

And against funding countries in Southern Europe. That's all the UKIP has going for it is that one isn't shipping money to the PIGS at the money trough.

[Ostroeuropa]

Again, actually look this shit up if you want to be taken seriously.

What I like best about your site is that literally all of the examples are followed by "but actually it turned out to be fine and nobody got in trouble really, in fact many of those accused were compensated by police". The sign of a totalitarian state right there.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a sponge for boorish, ugly ideas.

So the fact that you could be arrested and it could progress to trial doesn't bother you. It wastes taxpayer money too.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a shill for ideologies.

Peter Tatchell and members of the LGBT group Outrage! were arrested and charged under Section 5 for shouting slogans and displaying placards that condemned the persecution of LGBT people by Islamic governments. They were campaigning against a rally led by the fundamentalist Muslim group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, who called for the killing of gay people, apostates, Jews and unchaste women. The placards held up by Outrage! were deemed by police to be insulting and likely to cause distress.

But nevermind that, we're being politically correct, and opposing this kind of thing makes you a racist.

[Alyakia]

What I like best about your site is that literally all of the examples are followed by "but actually it turned out to be fine and nobody got in trouble really, in fact many of those accused were compensated by police". The sign of a totalitarian state right there.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a sponge for boorish, ugly ideas.

So the fact that you could be arrested and it could progress to trial doesn't bother you. It wastes taxpayer money too.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a shill for ideologies.

Peter Tatchell and members of the LGBT group Outrage! were arrested and charged under Section 5 for shouting slogans and displaying placards that condemned the persecution of LGBT people by Islamic governments. They were campaigning against a rally led by the fundamentalist Muslim group, Hizb ut-Tahrir, who called for the killing of gay people, apostates, Jews and unchaste women. The placards held up by Outrage! were deemed by police to be insulting and likely to cause distress.

But nevermind that, we're being politically correct, and opposing this kind of thing makes you a racist.

did it ever occur to that people were screaming about PC gone mad long before this legislation, will do so long after it and in all likely hood have probably never heard of it?

[Greater-London]

I got their manifesto through my letterbox today. On social issues, they wrote, unselfconsciously, I think:

"Political correctness is killing free speech".

Does that sound like Not-Racism to you?

Yes of course because not everyone who opposes political correctness is a racist.

Also by definition political correctness does kill free speech. The debate is over whether you think its okay to limit free speech in order to be politically correct and not cause offense.

The answer of course is theres not right not be offended and a mature free society allows bigoted people to speak and allows people a free in arm in responding.

Which is far preferable to being censored or even censoring yourself.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

So the fact that you could be arrested and it could progress to trial doesn't bother you. It wastes taxpayer money too.

Everything wastes taxpayer money, that's things for you. And no, it doesn't really bother me, because I know I'd be fine in the end, just like everyone else involved in any kind of Questionable Section Five affair.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a shill for ideologies.

Very good.

[European Socialist Republic]

Worse than that, a vote for UKIP is a vote against many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.

And against funding countries in Southern Europe. That's all the UKIP has going for it is that one isn't shipping money to the PIGS at the money trough.

I think we can leave the P out of the PIGS now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... GY20140502

[The Emerald Dragon]

Pardon me then, the man sounds like a fool.

But not all of UKIP is homophobic.

That is like saying a party with several racists in it is 100 percent racist.

Considering the fact that the party itself has an anti-LGBT platform, and throwing in the fact that party representatives like that asshole can make such blatantly homophobic comments, I think it's safe to say that the majority of UKIP supporters are homophobic. Sure, there might be maybe ten, twenty percent that aren't homophobes, but if they support a homophobic party, chances are they're homophobes themselves.

Personally, i tend to lean slightly towards UKIP but i'm not exactly homophobic.*


*As in "Let's kill da GHEYS!"

[Olde Engelond]

Worse than that, a vote for UKIP is a vote against many of the freedoms we currently enjoy.

This much is true. There are many liberties that would be lost by a UKIP victory.

I am certainly no Ukipper but which liberties do you think would be threatened by a UKIP victory?

[The UK in Exile]

Yes, they've made being white, middle class, and male the hardest task of all




"Political correctness is killing free speech" - no. The devaluation of 'free speech' to mean 'just being offensive towards specific groups in society' is killing free speech, if anything even is at all (and I'm not sure it is).

So you don't actually know about them.

Some instances of the invokation of section 5:

"Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult." -> arrested
"Little bark." "Woof." -> (Describing a dog) Offensive somehow. "Well, I was offended. therefore-" -> Arrested.
"Your horse is gay." -> Arrested.

http://reformsection5.org.uk/#?sl=3

Again, actually look this shit up if you want to be taken seriously, don't just assume that because white males did it it must be just fine.
(Which is what you are implying here.)

"the case was dropped."
"On appeal Newcastle Crown Court quashed his conviction."
"prosecutors said there was not enough evidence."

huh, turns out freedom of speech is already protected.

[Allet Klar Chefs]

Yes of course because not everyone who opposes political correctness is a racist.

Also by definition political correctness does kill free speech. The debate is over whether you think its okay to limit free speech in order to be politically correct and not cause offense.

The answer of course is theres not right not be offended and a mature free society allows bigoted people to speak and allows people a free in arm in responding.

Which is far preferable to being censored or even censoring yourself.

Is there anything you can think of which you couldn't express in a 'politically correct' way?

[Ostroeuropa]

So the fact that you could be arrested and it could progress to trial doesn't bother you. It wastes taxpayer money too.

I hope you turn your life around instead of continuing to act like a shill for ideologies.




But nevermind that, we're being politically correct, and opposing this kind of thing makes you a racist.

did it ever occur to that people were screaming about PC gone mad long before this legislation, will do so long after it and in all likely hood have probably never heard of it?

Sure. But so what. That doesn't excuse the behaviour of other liberals in this thread.

Just like they are being stupid for saying it's PC gone mad when it isn't, you people are being stupid when you say it's racist to say that, even when it isn't.
You are both doing the same thing. Ignoring reality for the sake of ideology and battle lines.

At least the racists just want to say racist insensitive shit. YOU people want to get the state involved to arrest people for saying mildly offensive stuff. Or do you?
Do you? Apparently not. Well then, stop being so confrontational whenever someone says "PC is a threat to our liberty." when it clearly is, otherwise your same logic applies to you.

"How many times do people who support censorship and police breakup of protests say PC is a good thing? Exactly, so don't support PC unless you are a totalitarian."
This is the same shit that you are doing.

[Ostroeuropa]

So you don't actually know about them.

Some instances of the invokation of section 5:

"Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult." -> arrested
"Little bark." "Woof." -> (Describing a dog) Offensive somehow. "Well, I was offended. therefore-" -> Arrested.
"Your horse is gay." -> Arrested.

http://reformsection5.org.uk/#?sl=3

Again, actually look this shit up if you want to be taken seriously, don't just assume that because white males did it it must be just fine.
(Which is what you are implying here.)

"the case was dropped."
"On appeal Newcastle Crown Court quashed his conviction."
"prosecutors said there was not enough evidence."

huh, turns out freedom of speech is already protected.

Because breaking up protests for being offensive is free speech being defended.

[Ostroeuropa]

This much is true. There are many liberties that would be lost by a UKIP victory.

I am certainly no Ukipper but which liberties do you think would be threatened by a UKIP victory?

Right to travel within the EU.
Right to settle within the EU.
Universal healthcare access within the EU and possibly inside the UK.
The human rights act would be repealed, etc.

[Greater-London]

I actually find this all a bit pathetic. Not that I would stop anyone going to a UKIP event and kicking up a fuss your perfectly entitled to do so. However your efforts would be better spent offering a better alternative rather than going to UKIP events and kicking up a fuss.

All together I find the obsession with UKIP rather tedious. Nigel Farage and his party are not social pariahs nor are they geniuses and they should stop being treated as such.

[The Emerald Dragon]

I am certainly no Ukipper but which liberties do you think would be threatened by a UKIP victory?

Right to travel within the EU.
Right to settle within the EU.
Universal healthcare access within the EU and possibly inside the UK.
The human rights act would be repealed, etc.

I'm of this opinion.

1.) Life saving healthcare should be free to any peoples within the U.K at any time, any other healthcare must be paid for.

[Ostroeuropa]

A statement from farage on the political correctness issue, and in support of reform section 5. and it's one I entirely agree with.

“In a robust democracy people must be free to insult and be insulted. We have laws that protect against incitement to violence and hatred, that should be enough. To protect my feelings from those who wish to laugh at me or hold me in contempt is a freedom I never wanted, nor hoped for. So three cheers for this campaign, three cheers for those like Peter Tatchell, The Christian Institute, David Davis, The National Secular Society, the Freedom Association, Big Brother Watch and all the others standing up for the liberty of people to throw verbal brickbats around.’

[Greater-London]

Is there anything you can think of which you couldn't express in a 'politically correct' way?

Yes. Say I'm a radical preacher, I think that gay people should be hung and are an abomination to society. I couldn't express that in a politically correct way

Even if you could hypothetically say everything you wanted but in a "politically correct way" that's not the point. It is a limit on free speech because your restricting the words and ways people can express themselves.

[Alyakia]

A statement from farage on the political correctness issue, and in support of reform section 5. and it's one I entirely agree with.

“In a robust democracy people must be free to insult and be insulted. We have laws that protect against incitement to violence and hatred, that should be enough. To protect my feelings from those who wish to laugh at me or hold me in contempt is a freedom I never wanted, nor hoped for. So three cheers for this campaign, three cheers for those like Peter Tatchell, The Christian Institute, David Davis, The National Secular Society, the Freedom Association, Big Brother Watch and all the others standing up for the liberty of people to throw verbal brickbats around.’

well, at least that's sorta technically relevant to the topic.

[The Serbian Empire]

And against funding countries in Southern Europe. That's all the UKIP has going for it is that one isn't shipping money to the PIGS at the money trough.

I think we can leave the P out of the PIGS now.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/05/ ... GY20140502

I guess that's a relief until one notices that Portugal is the smallest of them.

[Britcan]

I actually find this all a bit pathetic. Not that I would stop anyone going to a UKIP event and kicking up a fuss your perfectly entitled to do so. However your efforts would be better spent offering a better alternative rather than going to UKIP events and kicking up a fuss.

All together I find the obsession with UKIP rather tedious. Nigel Farage and his party are not social pariahs nor are they geniuses and they should stop being treated as such.

There are already many better alternatives to UKIP.