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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 23, 2014 4:40 pm

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and this is your excuse for voting for one that doesn't even pretend they won't and then complaining about it?


And how exactly do MEP's sell off national assets in the UK? Pray tell. I'm all ears... :eyebrow:

Who'd you vote for in councillors? Voting them for EP would be the best option for EU opponents.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 23, 2014 4:40 pm

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and this is your excuse for voting for one that doesn't even pretend they won't and then complaining about it?


And how exactly do MEP's sell off national assets in the UK? Pray tell. I'm all ears... :eyebrow:

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Postby Alyakia » Fri May 23, 2014 4:41 pm

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and this is your excuse for voting for one that doesn't even pretend they won't and then complaining about it?


And how exactly do MEP's sell off national assets in the UK? Pray tell. I'm all ears... :eyebrow:


"As opposed to the current lot who bail out banks or sell off national assets for pennies. "

you're the one that brought it up. either it's relevant or it's not. don't try and dodge your own points.
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Postby Densaner » Fri May 23, 2014 4:41 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
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And how exactly do MEP's sell off national assets in the UK? Pray tell. I'm all ears... :eyebrow:

Who'd you vote for in councillors? Voting them for EP would be the best option for EU opponents.


I live in Scotland. No council vote here this year.

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Postby Greater-London » Fri May 23, 2014 4:49 pm

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so, hey, what is UKIPs policy on gay marriage anyway?


That we can't have equal marriage whilst were in the European Union over fears that gay couples could take cases about religious groups refusing to marry them to the European Court of Human Rights and winning.

Thats so incredibly convenient as they don't have to comment on it, and can turn it into an EU problem; Its actually quite clever.
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Postby Densaner » Fri May 23, 2014 4:49 pm

Alyakia wrote:
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And how exactly do MEP's sell off national assets in the UK? Pray tell. I'm all ears... :eyebrow:


"As opposed to the current lot who bail out banks or sell off national assets for pennies. "

you're the one that brought it up. either it's relevant or it's not. don't try and dodge your own points.


Yeah I did bring it up. Because its true. I will happily kick the establishment when every opportunity arises. As you well know it was Vince Cable who sold the Royal Mail not Farage.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 23, 2014 4:58 pm

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"As opposed to the current lot who bail out banks or sell off national assets for pennies. "

you're the one that brought it up. either it's relevant or it's not. don't try and dodge your own points.


Yeah I did bring it up. Because its true. I will happily kick the establishment when every opportunity arises. As you well know it was Vince Cable who sold the Royal Mail not Farage.

UKIP is a libertarian, free-market party. Why would they not have sold the Royal Mail?
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Postby Greater-London » Fri May 23, 2014 5:03 pm

Geilinor wrote:UKIP is a libertarian, free-market party. Why would they not have sold the Royal Mail?


UKIP policy was not to sell of the royal mail.
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Postby Britcan » Fri May 23, 2014 5:03 pm

Geilinor wrote:
Densaner wrote:
Yeah I did bring it up. Because its true. I will happily kick the establishment when every opportunity arises. As you well know it was Vince Cable who sold the Royal Mail not Farage.

UKIP is a libertarian, free-market party. Why would they not have sold the Royal Mail?

Because the EU and Romanians, obviously.

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Postby Greater-London » Fri May 23, 2014 5:04 pm

Britcan wrote:Because the EU and Romanians, obviously.


You joke but it is actually to do with the EU and directives to increase competition and liberalize markets that paved the way to the privatization of royal mail - or so UKIP say.
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Postby Britcan » Fri May 23, 2014 5:12 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Britcan wrote:Because the EU and Romanians, obviously.


You joke but it is actually to do with the EU and directives to increase competition and liberalize markets that paved the way to the privatization of royal mail - or so UKIP say.

UKIP say a lot of things that aren't true.

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Postby Greater-London » Fri May 23, 2014 5:21 pm

Britcan wrote:UKIP say a lot of things that aren't true.


True. However that I don't necessarily think thats a lie. If there is a European directive that aims to open up postal systems of member states to competition I'm not surprised it is after all commited to free trade and free markets. It's also not a lie that its UKIP policy.
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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 23, 2014 5:27 pm

Greater-London wrote:
Britcan wrote:UKIP say a lot of things that aren't true.


True. However that I don't necessarily think thats a lie. If there is a European directive that aims to open up postal systems of member states to competition I'm not surprised it is after all commited to free trade and free markets. It's also not a lie that its UKIP policy.

I was talking about what UKIP would have done if it was in government, going by its stated principles. They don't actually have a platform at the moment.
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Postby The Scientific States » Fri May 23, 2014 5:29 pm

Geilinor wrote:
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Yeah I did bring it up. Because its true. I will happily kick the establishment when every opportunity arises. As you well know it was Vince Cable who sold the Royal Mail not Farage.

UKIP is a libertarian, free-market party. Why would they not have sold the Royal Mail?




They claim to be libertarian, but they're nothing less than far right wing populists.
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Postby Greater-London » Fri May 23, 2014 5:34 pm

Geilinor wrote:I was talking about what UKIP would have done if it was in government, going by its stated principles. They don't actually have a platform at the moment.


Well UKIP policy at the time was to prevent the privatization of the Royal Mail and Paul Nuttall came out saying how it was the wrong thing to do. I'm cynical about whether they would or wouldn't have privatized it but there is not evidence to say what UKIP would have done in government; Except for of course the policy and statements made by their deputy leader at the time.
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Postby Densaner » Fri May 23, 2014 7:30 pm

Britcan wrote:
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You joke but it is actually to do with the EU and directives to increase competition and liberalize markets that paved the way to the privatization of royal mail - or so UKIP say.

UKIP say a lot of things that aren't true.


Just like other parties then...

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri May 23, 2014 7:37 pm

Ostroeuropa wrote:So basically a bunch of social justice warriors ruin an event. I'm no fan of UKIP, but the constant braying that they are racist simply doesn't hold water.


This. I am fed up with lefties constantly using the same old excuse that they are racist. I wish they would come up with something new to say about UKIP.

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Postby Geilinor » Fri May 23, 2014 7:41 pm

The Scientific States wrote:
Geilinor wrote:UKIP is a libertarian, free-market party. Why would they not have sold the Royal Mail?




They claim to be libertarian, but they're nothing less than far right wing populists.

I know, but I'm talking about what they say. Otherwise, they're really just Thatcherites and xenophobes.
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Postby Densaner » Fri May 23, 2014 7:44 pm

Geilinor wrote:
The Scientific States wrote:


They claim to be libertarian, but they're nothing less than far right wing populists.

I know, but I'm talking about what they say. Otherwise, they're really just Thatcherites and xenophobes.


Smear early, smear often. Yawn... :roll:

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri May 23, 2014 7:46 pm

UKIP is not to blame here, they tried to show that they are not racist but, of course, the idiotic left-wingers have to show up and ruin everything while chanting the usual, "UKIP R RAYCISS!"

I don't support UKIP, but Antifa, or whoever were protesting are much more immature and moronic than UKIP are.
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Postby Grave_n_idle » Fri May 23, 2014 7:51 pm

Aushanit wrote:Eh I never got why UKIP was so popular...


Extremist xenophobic politics always flourish in economic hard times.
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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri May 23, 2014 8:03 pm

Grave_n_idle wrote:
Aushanit wrote:Eh I never got why UKIP was so popular...


Extremist xenophobic politics always flourish in economic hard times.


UKIP want to restrict Immigration from reaching extremely high levels but not abolish it completely. They want Immigrants that are willing to work and contribute to the country, which is clearly what a large amount of the British population want. That is not classed as extremist.

But of course, you probably won't even read my post or think about it and like the rest of your kind, you will reply with something along the lines of "But UKIP are racist" or something like that.
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Postby Densaner » Fri May 23, 2014 8:04 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
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Extremist xenophobic politics always flourish in economic hard times.


UKIP want to restrict Immigration from reaching extremely high levels but not abolish it completely. They want Immigrants that are willing to work and contribute to the country, which is clearly what a large amount of the British population want. That is not classed as extremist.


Exactly. They also want a referendum on the EU. Hardly indicative of an extremist philosophy.

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Postby The Vekta-Helghast Empire » Fri May 23, 2014 8:04 pm

Wind in the Willows wrote:
Grave_n_idle wrote:
Extremist xenophobic politics always flourish in economic hard times.


UKIP want to restrict Immigration from reaching extremely high levels but not abolish it completely. They want Immigrants that are willing to work and contribute to the country, which is clearly what a large amount of the British population want. That is not classed as extremist.


It's classed as idiotic when they play such a huge role in maintaining our economy..

Especially when you see nations such as Germany and Sweden which require immigration to maintain their industry, as people are living longer, marrying later and not having children as often. (Countries which we'll soon be like as the quality of life increases).

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Postby Wind in the Willows » Fri May 23, 2014 8:05 pm

Densaner wrote:
Wind in the Willows wrote:
UKIP want to restrict Immigration from reaching extremely high levels but not abolish it completely. They want Immigrants that are willing to work and contribute to the country, which is clearly what a large amount of the British population want. That is not classed as extremist.


Exactly. They also want a referendum on the EU. Hardly indicative of an extremist philosophy.


Indeed, I forgot to mention the EU referendum. Sorry about that. :)

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