Would you date a (post-op) transgender person?

[Death Metal]

Perhaps use XX/woman instead?

No. Regular is such an inane term. It's mind-bottling that you people find it offensive in this context.

>"you people"

I'm a male born with a male body.

[Scholmeria]

1. Be polite. Don't misgender.
2. Do you seriously expect us to show you pictures of the vaginas of transgender women to prove your asinine bullshit wrong?

1. I wont some people have to earn respect.
2.No, but my point of mentioning vagianas is clear: a man can look as a women but he can never 100% look as one.

Also, this Serb is ugly.

Serb?

I think on the photo is Andrej pejić.

[The Rhomaion]

1. Be polite. Don't misgender.
2. Do you seriously expect us to show you pictures of the vaginas of transgender women to prove your asinine bullshit wrong?

1. I wont some people have to earn respect.

It's called basic social interaction, rather than respect.

Like if I were talking to you, and I knew that you were Croat, I wouldn't make a point of referring to you as a Slovenian or a Bosniak or a Serb or anything else, because that would be dickish and I'd imagine that you wouldn't want to be referred to as such.

The same principle applies with using the pronoun someone wants you to use when talking to them. It's basic conversational skills/decency.

[Ifreann]

That sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less logical or factual.

"No true scotsman has a normal vagina" much?

Why is hurting the progressives if the average normal person want a normal pussy and not that is artifical?

I'm given to understand that gynaecologists can't tell the difference between the vagina of a post-op transwoman and a that of a ciswoman who has had a hysterectomy. In case you aren't aware gynaecologists know a lot about vaginas and spend a lot of their time examining vaginas. They're trained, qualified vagina experts. If they can't tell, then the "average normal person" can't.

You know the idea with being with a former man is disgusting.

Speak for yourself.

[Olthar]

And now we're unnatural, as well. Lovely.

Tell me I'm wrong that a being with natural XX chromosomes is not the definition of a natural woman.

You're wrong. All humans are natural beings.

[Liriena]

Then you get third genders.

You seem to have avoided my other questions.

Your other questions can easily be answered through a quick glance at Wikipedia.

However, if you're saying there should be a gender for every possible combination of personality traits, while that's intellectual consistent, it's impractical.

Not really. The vast majority of the possible combinations of physical and personality traits have already been given accurate terms: genderqueer, bigender, agender, gender neutral, pangender, gender-fluid, two-spirit, hijra, kathoey, transgender as an umbrella term, etc.

It would mean we have a literally endless stream of genders, based on the unique build of every person out there.

Given how there's a limited number of human beings, the use of the words "literally endless" is just plain wrong.

Also, this still falls into the trap of rendering gender meaningless, by stripping it of explanatory power. Because if every term for a gender is unique, unless I have pre-existing knowledge of what your gender identity comprises, I have no way of knowing what you mean when you say "My gender is X".

Something that can be easily solved by, you know, asking about a person's gender identity and paying attention to their explanation.

Thus we enter the second way in which gender identity is bullshit. Strike two.

Disregarding a substantial amount of support the concept has in psychology and psychiatry... sure, let us enter.

Yes. This would be a textbook case of a MtF transgender woman.

I agree with you in so far as someone who undergoes SRS, or someone who has a desire to change their body. But what of people who do not possess a female body, and do not want a female body, but none the less identify as female and demand people refer to them as "she/her"?

In that case, we'd be talking about a very specific case of MtF transgender identity that, as far as I know, has yet to occur. That being said, how would you define a "female body"?

[Anubas]

1. Be polite. Don't misgender.
2. Do you seriously expect us to show you pictures of the vaginas of transgender women to prove your asinine bullshit wrong?

1. I wont some people have to earn respect.
2.No, but my point of mentioning vagianas is clear: a man can look as a women but he can never 100% look as one.

Serb?

I think on the photo is Andrej pejić.

1. so cis people automatically earn your respect to be referred to as their gender but trans people don't? dat double standard.
2. except for when she does. someone correct me if I'm wrong, but trans women's vaginas look like the average vagina.

[Death Metal]

That sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less logical or factual.

"No true scotsman has a normal vagina" much?

Why is hurting the progressives if the average normal person want a normal pussy and not that is artifical?(1)

You know the idea with being with a former man is disgusting.(2)

1) Because there's no such thing as a "normal pussy" and

2) No I don't. In fact, I woudn't care at all. You do, because you're a bigot.

[Lordieth]

being trans isn't a fantasy, if that's what you're getting at?

I am speaking about people who think they are something else.

Why, in your view, does thinking necessarily have to match the physical form?

You say "think they are something else" as if this is something bad, or wrong. Well they can't help it. That's how they were born to think. That's who they are. It's not like thinking you're something you aren't. It's thinking something you are, but simultaneously aren't. The mind doesn't match the form.

The biggest problem facing the transgendered is a total lack of empathy, and that there's more to being transgender than what you choose to see.

[Aurora Novus]

2.No, but my point of mentioning vagianas is clear: a man can look as a women but he can never 100% look as one.

Really, how do you even pinpoint down what does and does not constitute male/female sexes? There is so much biological diversity, it's really inaccurate to use just those two labels. We either need additional labels, or we need to refine our labels by including modifiers. I prefer to think of trans women and men, not as "incomplete" men and women as you seem to suggest, but rather as simply a different kinds of men and women. As we all are, really.

[Eastern Equestria]

No. Regular is such an inane term. It's mind-bottling that you people find it offensive in this context.

>"you people"

I'm a male born with a male body.

Oh my freaking lord. I'm referring to the posters in this forum, not transgenders in general.

[Person012345]

2.No, but my point of mentioning vagianas is clear: a man can look as a women but he can never 100% look as one.

Really, how do you even pinpoint down what does and does not constitute male/female sexes? There is so much biological diversity, it's really inaccurate to use just those two labels. We either need additional labels, or we need to refine our labels by including modifiers. I prefer to think of trans women and men, not as "incomplete" men and women as you seem to suggest, but rather as simply a different kind of men and women. As we all are, really.

If a woman has a wonky vagina, she's not a woman, obviously. Schol would be able to tell because he immediately looks down the pants of every new acquaintance.

[Liriena]

So, you don't want to be called out on misgendering transgender people, a practise that can actually have detrimental effects on their psyche?

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. If you can't be polite and respect other people's identity, then you don't get a pat on the back.

If they did not learn afer so many years of living in a society the cultural norms of the people where it lives than it is nobodys problem if it gets "hurt".

1. Don't refer to people as "it". It dehumanises them and is beyond contempt. You have a right to be an impolite bastard, but if you plan to spend the rest of your life in society you should learn to abide by the Golden Rule.
2. Disregarding how this part of your post is so poorly written I can barely make heads or tails of it... culture isn't sacred, specially if it hurts people. Psychological damage is just as serious a problem as physical damage. It can lead people to self-harm or even suicide.

No, I wont if some shizofrenics start claiming that he is Jesus I would not respect his indentity i will call the medial.

The thing is, being transgender is not the same as being schizophrenic, as any medical professional would kindly tell you while mentally scoffing condescendingly at your use of this pathetic cliché of an "argument".

[Ifreann]

Really, how do you even pinpoint down what does and does not constitute male/female sexes? There is so much biological diversity, it's really inaccurate to use just those two labels. We either need additional labels, or we need to refine our labels by including modifiers. I prefer to think of trans women and men, not as "incomplete" men and women as you seem to suggest, but rather as simply a different kind of men and women. As we all are, really.

If a woman has a wonky vagina, she's not a woman, obviously. Schol would be able to tell because he immediately looks down the pants of every new acquaintance.

Shake hands with the right and examine with the left. Unless you're a scout, they do it backwards.

[Scholmeria]

Not exclusively. Unless you really do befriend women with the sole intent of having sex with them one day, which would be bizarre and almost certainly unrewarding in the long term.

Well, you would be right if you really believe that there are romantic relationships without sex. I think there are not a lot of couples that are living without sex (if you dont count the couples that are year long together)

I believe I'm correct in arguing that someone who is of the female gender is considered by people who aren't transphobic to be female regardless of their biology; likewise someone with a vagina who considers themselves to be a woman is a woman, regardless of whether or not you think so.

People determine their own gender.

Bullshit. Nature determine our gender and sex. Otherwise nature is transphobic which again is than normal.

Not really, no. As long as I'm attracted to the person in question, and vice versa, then I have literally no problem with it whatsoever.

Ok, that is you.

But there are more people with different opinion.

I would never want to be with a "woman" that has a penis.

[Pragia]

Tell me I'm wrong that a being with natural XX chromosomes is not the definition of a natural woman.

You're wrong. All humans are natural beings.

Of course. People born with XY are natural men and XX are natural women, what they do to themselves otherwise is up to them.

[Camicon]

I believe I'm correct in arguing that someone who is of the female gender is considered by people who aren't transphobic to be female regardless of their biology; likewise someone with a vagina who considers themselves to be a woman is a woman, regardless of whether or not you think so.

People determine their own gender.

Bullshit. Nature determine our gender and sex. Otherwise nature is transphobic which again is than normal.

Sex is genetically determined. Gender is a social construct.

[Liriena]

That sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less logical or factual.

"No true scotsman has a normal vagina" much?

Why is hurting the progressives if the average normal person want a normal pussy and not that is artifical?

It doesn't hurt me, sweetie. It does, however, intrigue me, as an aspiring social scientist, why such an unhealthy (and blatantly hypocritical obsession) remains in the more conservative elements of society with extreme naturalism in matters of sex and sexuality, when you seldom see them espouse the same philosophy in other issues.

You know the idea with being with a former man is disgusting.

No. Not one bit. In fact, I would gladly date a transgender woman before her gender confirmation surgery... but then again I'm bisexual, so I don't tend to feel different towards penises than I do towards vaginas.

[Lordieth]

Bullshit. Nature determine our gender and sex. Otherwise nature is transphobic which again is than normal.

You should still concede at the very least that nature can cause one to have a differing gender and sex.

[Dyakovo]

That sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less logical or factual.

"No true scotsman has a normal vagina" much?

Why is hurting the progressives if the average normal person want a normal pussy and not that is artifical?

You know the idea with being with a former man is disgusting.

A post-op MtF trans* isn't a "former man".

[Death Metal]

I believe I'm correct in arguing that someone who is of the female gender is considered by people who aren't transphobic to be female regardless of their biology; likewise someone with a vagina who considers themselves to be a woman is a woman, regardless of whether or not you think so.

People determine their own gender.

Bullshit. Nature determine our gender and sex. Otherwise nature is transphobic which again is than normal.

https://yourlogicalfallacyis.com/appeal-to-nature

also, there are species of reptiles that can spontaneously change sexes, so your logic is invalid for two reasons.

[Crolacia]

I am alkflkjrajkaersadfsexual so I would.

[Ifreann]

You're wrong. All humans are natural beings.

Of course. People born with XY are natural men

No.

and XX are natural women,

And no.

[Dyakovo]

And now we're unnatural, as well. Lovely.

Tell me I'm wrong that a being with natural XX chromosomes is not the definition of a natural woman.

You're wrong.

[Liriena]

Gender dysphoria occurs because of a percieved contradiction between who you are mentally/behaviorally, and who you are physically. Remove the concept of gender, you remove the capacity for that specific percieved contradiction.

Yeah... umm... *awkward coughing*