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Would you date a (post-operation) transgender person?

Yes; I'm straight and I would date a transgender person.
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23%
No; I'm straight and I'd not date a transgender person.
138
42%
Yes; I'm gay and I would date a transgender person.
16
5%
No; I'm gay and I'd not date a transgender person.
5
2%
Yes; I'm bisexual and I would date a transgender person.
66
20%
No; I'm bisexual and I'd not date a transgender person.
6
2%
Other; I'll explain in a reply to the OP.
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Total votes : 327

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Korouse
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Postby Korouse » Fri May 16, 2014 2:11 pm

No, I wouldn't.
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Postby Trollgaard » Fri May 16, 2014 2:12 pm

Dumb Ideologies wrote:
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Certain things, like the width of the shoulders, the hips, and the size of the hands are kinda hard to change, from my understanding. As in, they can't really be changed.

Maybe if someone started the sex change before puberty hit...I don't know.


We're talking overlapping bell curves of characteristics here, not all guys and girls being pooped out of single distinct moulds.


Very true.

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Postby Immoren » Fri May 16, 2014 2:12 pm

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Scholmeria wrote:That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.


Is this by the infamous "T" branded on their forehead?

:lol:


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Postby Pragia » Fri May 16, 2014 2:12 pm

I would like to say I would, but I'm unsure I could say I would. I feel like if a guy has a feminine personality, I'd gladly be friends with them, but I don't feel like I could get over the odd feeling of someone who used to be a dude in a chick body, be comfortable in the body your given, live up to your gender not your body parts.

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Postby The Rhomaion » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Image

And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.


Yes, because of course people have a habit of beginning a first date with "Excuse me, but will you allow me to examine your vulva in minute detail?".
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Liriena wrote:What the hell is that supposed to mean? That you don't want people to call you out on misgendering transgender people?

No, it is just if some person likes to dress as a opposite gender/sex I am ok wih that.

But if such person starts to forcing its believes that everybody should accept that he or she is the opposite sex than I am against that and i would not participate in that game.

So, you don't want to be called out on misgendering transgender people, a practise that can actually have detrimental effects on their psyche?

Yeah, that ain't gonna happen. If you can't be polite and respect other people's identity, then you don't get a pat on the back.
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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:

And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.


she looks a bit like Prince Viserys from Game of Thrones...
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Postby Doitsu-san » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

No.
Plans to have children would be out of the question, and there are some very visible differences between transgender and regular females that just aren't attractive, at all (to me personally).
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Postby Person012345 » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

So you're just going to ignore the question schol?

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Postby Death Metal » Fri May 16, 2014 2:13 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:

And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.


That sentence doesn't even make grammatical sense, much less logical or factual.

"No true scotsman has a normal vagina" much?
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 16, 2014 2:14 pm

The Rhomaion wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.


Yes, because of course people have a habit of beginning a first date with "Excuse me, but will you allow me to examine your vulva in minute detail?".

Actually, it probably does look normal, because the penis, labia, scrotum, and clitoris are made of the same tissue.

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Postby Anubas » Fri May 16, 2014 2:14 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:

And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.

but you will likely not see every trans person you meet's genitalia, so how would you ever know?

from pictures I've seen trans women's vaginas look like... well, vaginas.
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Postby Liriena » Fri May 16, 2014 2:14 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Image

And?

Does hisher pussy looks like every normal? No.

1. Be polite. Don't misgender.
2. Do you seriously expect us to show you pictures of the vaginas of transgender women to prove your asinine bullshit wrong?
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Postby The Rhomaion » Fri May 16, 2014 2:15 pm

Kelinfort wrote:
The Rhomaion wrote:
Yes, because of course people have a habit of beginning a first date with "Excuse me, but will you allow me to examine your vulva in minute detail?".

Actually, it probably does look normal, because the penis, labia, scrotum, and clitoris are made of the same tissue.


I know, it's just absurd to argue that you wouldn't date/go on a date with a transgender person in case their genitals look different to what you were expecting.
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Postby Aurora Novus » Fri May 16, 2014 2:15 pm

Threlizdun wrote:Gender is defined solely by the self-identity of the individual in question.


And thus we enter the quickest, and easiest, way in which gender identity is bullshit. If gender identitiy is self-defined, then gender identity literally is meaningless. Labels only have meaning when they possess explanatory power. If gender is self-defined, then the labels of male and female become meaningless with regards to it. According to you, someone could possess traits X, Y, and Z, and claim they make him male. And they'd be right. But someone could also take those same traits X, Y, and Z, and claim they make her female. And she'd be right too, according to you. Someone could identidy as male due to traits X, Y, and Z. But someone could also identify as male, citing the exact opposite traits A, B, and C. What this does is it makes the issue of gender so muddled that when you call yourself male or female in terms of your gender, I have no idea what that means. It literally transforms the sentance "I am a woman" into "I am me", as that is the only information about you it communicates. It strips gender of all explanatory power, rendering it meaningless and nonsensical.

Thus, the self-identification argument for gender is absurd, and falls flat on it's face. Strike one.

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Postby Scholmeria » Fri May 16, 2014 2:15 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.


Image

Also, this Serb is ugly.
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 16, 2014 2:16 pm

Anubas wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.

but you will likely not see every trans person you meet's genitalia, so how would you ever know?


Of course they are wearing their Comic Book X-Ray Glasses to everywhere. *nods*
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Postby Death Metal » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Anubas wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.

but you will likely not see every trans person you meet's genitalia, so how would you ever know?


With his attitude, I'd be surprised if he'll ever see any person's genitalia, trans or not.
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Postby Kelinfort » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Image

Also, this Serb is ugly.

:palm:

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Postby Infected Mushroom » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Aurora Novus wrote:
Threlizdun wrote:Gender is defined solely by the self-identity of the individual in question.


And thus we enter the quickest, and easiest, way in which gender identity is bullshit. If gender identitiy is self-defined, then gender identity literally is meaningless. Labels only have meaning when they possess explanatory power. If gender is self-defined, then the labels of male and female become meaningless with regards to it. According to you, someone could possess traits X, Y, and Z, and claim they make him male. And they'd be right. But someone could also take those same traits X, Y, and Z, and claim they make her female. And she'd be right too, according to you. Someone could identidy as male due to traits X, Y, and Z. But someone could also identify as male, citing the exact opposite traits A, B, and C. What this does is it makes the issue of gender so muddled that when you call yourself male or female in terms of your gender, I have no idea what that means. It literally transforms the sentance "I am a woman" into "I am me", as that is the only information about you it communicates. It strips gender of all explanatory power, rendering it meaningless and nonsensical.

Thus, the self-identification argument for gender is absurd, and falls flat on it's face. Strike one.


which is why i think biological sex is the only thing we should focus on, I'm sure that has a more objective meter and more explanatory power no?

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Postby The Flood » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

I don't think so. I'm all for the rights of transpeople but I don't think a transgendered person would fall into what I'm able to be attracted to. And I want kids someday.
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Postby Immoren » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:
Image

Also, this Serb is ugly.


Serb?
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Postby Eastern Equestria » Fri May 16, 2014 2:17 pm

Olthar wrote:
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Would you quit it? He's not being discriminatory towards transgenders. He'd just prefer to marry a regular woman out of personal preference. If you can't accept that then that's your problem.

"Regular woman."
That's more than a little offensive. :|


It's really not at all. Nor was it meant to be. Quit being so goddamned thin-skinned.

Regular means of the norm. Women who were born with XX sex chromosomes are of the norm.

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Postby Anubas » Fri May 16, 2014 2:18 pm

Death Metal wrote:
Anubas wrote:but you will likely not see every trans person you meet's genitalia, so how would you ever know?


With his attitude, I'd be surprised if he'll ever see any person's genitalia, trans or not.

well, he likely sees his own... maybe genitals in porn too?

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Postby Liriena » Fri May 16, 2014 2:19 pm

Scholmeria wrote:
Death Metal wrote:

Also, this Serb is ugly.

No, she is not. She's beautiful.

Infected Mushroom wrote:
Scholmeria wrote:And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.


it looks a bit like Prince Viserys from Game of Thrones...

To be fair, that picture of her is relatively old.
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