Would you date a (post-op) transgender person?

[The Time Alliance]

You get to have sex......That might be a small factor.

I'm pretty sure that by now we have separated sex and reproduction to a sufficient degree.

Meant amongst teens.

[Aurora Novus]

First, how would you define gender?

A sociocultural construct partially inspired in sexual biology that designates certain stereotypical categories for some combinations of physical and psychological traits.

And how does one define traits as either being male or female? Are some traits more male or female than others? How many traits exactly does it take to make one male or female? What if someone possesses none of the triats which you would associate with males, but none the less protests vehementally that they are, in fact, male? Also, are there any traits which are exclusively male or female? What if a "male" possesses female traits, or vice versa? How do you know then tht those traits are truly male/female?

Also, it seems you take the position that gender and sex are, on some level, related. what if someone possesses none of the traits of a female physically, but identifies with the female gender none the less? Is this an accurate and truthful identification?

[Liriena]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

[Trollgaard]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

Certain things, like the width of the shoulders, the hips, and the size of the hands are kinda hard to change, from my understanding. As in, they can't really be changed.


Maybe if someone started the sex change before puberty hit...I don't know.

[Person012345]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

No, cut the crap, what if they had no male characteristics? Don't respond with blatant lies, respond with an answer.

[Dumb Ideologies]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

Is this by the infamous "T" branded on their forehead?

[Threlizdun]

Gender is extremely important to many people and it absolutely does exist. Male and female are genders as well as sexes. Someone who has always belonged to the female gender while belonging to the male sex was always female. You do not address someone by their sexual organs, but their identity.

Gender may be important to people, but so is belief in God. That doesn't make what you hold important real.

No, there are no such things as the male and female genders. I am more than willing to demonstrate for you how nonsensical gender is as a concept. First, how would you define gender? What determines one's gender? Is gender self-defined, as is the position many trans individuals take?

Gender is defined solely by the self-identity of the individual in question. Such identities are broad but deeply meaningful to the individual identifying by them. The specifics of why it is so important is still being studied, though the structure of the hypothalamus is the most commonly accepted scientific reasoning for why gender identity exists. Men, women, and members of other genders have been found to have differences in the structure of their hypothalamus. A transgender female's hypothalamus is similar to that of a cisgender female. There definitely is evidence that their is a physical basis to gender identity.

[Kelinfort]

being trans isn't a fantasy, if that's what you're getting at?

I am speaking about people who think they are something else.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders

[Eastern Equestria]

I don't know what sangreal is, but it reminds my of sangria...

But I do realize that, but I want my own biological children born of my future hypothetical wife.

Uterus transplants.

Would you quit it? He's not being discriminatory towards transgenders. He'd just prefer to marry a regular woman out of personal preference. If you can't accept that then that's your problem.

[Liriena]

being trans isn't a fantasy, if that's what you're getting at?

I am speaking about people who think they are something else.

You are going to try equating being transgender with delusions, aren't you?

[Person012345]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

Certain things, like the width of the shoulders, the hips, and the size of the hands are kinda hard to change, from my understanding. As in, they can't really be changed.


Maybe if someone started the sex change before puberty hit...I don't know.

Or maybe if they were a rather feminine-looking guy to begin with.

[Olthar]

I honestly don't know why more people don't adopt. I mean, plus, you can skip out on all those baby stages, and jump straight to 5 or 6 year olds! And because you're adopting, you can survey all your options, so you can find a child with a personality and appearance you like.

With all the people the world has on it already, I just don't understand this strong social push to reproduce. There's got to be some biological impulse behind it I guess.

You get to have sex......That might be a small factor.

Sex with contraceptives, then adoption. *nods*

[Death Metal]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

[The Grey Wolf]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

No, cut the crap, what if they had no male characteristics? Don't respond with blatant lies, respond with an answer.

An Adam's apple?

[Nua Corda]

Nope. All due respect and tolerance to people of all types, but the idea squicks me out too much.

You're welcome to do whatever you want to and/or with your own body, or the body of any consenting adult, but by the same token you don't get to be butthurt if someone else choses not to.

[Scholmeria]

Of course they do. Most of them would have male caracteristics even if they start dressing as women. I am ok with that as long as they sont start to force others to adapt to their believes.

What the hell is that supposed to mean? That you don't want people to call you out on misgendering transgender people?

No, it is just if some person likes to dress as a opposite gender/sex I am ok wih that.

But if such person starts to forcing its believes that everybody should accept that he or she is the opposite sex than I am against that and i would not participate in that game.

[Liriena]

A sociocultural construct partially inspired in sexual biology that designates certain stereotypical categories for some combinations of physical and psychological traits.

And how does one define traits as either being male or female? Are some traits more male or female than others? How many traits exactly does it take to make one male or female? What if someone possesses none of the triats which you would associate with males, but none the less protests vehementally that they are, in fact, male?

Then you get third genders.

Also, it seems you take the position that gender and sex are, on some level, related. what if someone possesses none of the traits of a female physically, but identifies with the female gender none the less? Is this an accurate and truthful identification?

Yes. This would be a textbook case of a MtF transgender woman.

[Infected Mushroom]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

well to be fair i think for that one the eyes is a huge give away...

the facial configuration reminds me too much of the male Viserys on Game of Thrones...

[Anubas]

And what if they don't have male characteristics?

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

gonna have to disagree with you on that.

[Scholmeria]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

And?

Does his pussy looks like every normal? No.

[Dumb Ideologies]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

Certain things, like the width of the shoulders, the hips, and the size of the hands are kinda hard to change, from my understanding. As in, they can't really be changed.

Maybe if someone started the sex change before puberty hit...I don't know.

We're talking overlapping bell curves of characteristics here, not all guys and girls being pooped out of single distinct moulds.

[Trollgaard]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

Not sure that was the best pic to use as evidence, as that girl looks like a guy. You can tell from the face alone.

[Person012345]

No, cut the crap, what if they had no male characteristics? Don't respond with blatant lies, respond with an answer.

An Adam's apple?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Facial_fem ... _reduction

[Liriena]

That is something that they cannot achieve. You know even if they make some surgery there would still be visible as former man.

[Olthar]

Uterus transplants.

Would you quit it? He's not being discriminatory towards transgenders. He'd just prefer to marry a regular woman out of personal preference. If you can't accept that then that's your problem.

"Regular woman."
That's more than a little offensive. :|