Would you date a (post-op) transgender person?

[Haladrien]

Then do me a favor and stop replying.

Not if you keep posting.

Well you obviously care then. your mustering the effort to type.

[Person012345]

Ignore the opinion of the stupid person who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about and only says things because he's a little pussy who is scared of everything and has no empathy for any other human being than himself. It's not worth caring about.

But entertainment.

Sure, reply to it, I am after all. I just don't want anyone getting it confused for something that requires some thought or effort to respond to. It's just inane, ignorant nonsense.

[Justin States]

No. She is a girl who is biologically male.

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl. Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

Thats very rude i used to date some one who was transgender!

[Olthar]

No. She is a girl who is biologically male.

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl. Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

I wouldn't do that if I were you. The mods have ruled that called trans people "it" is trolling/flamebaiting.

[Haladrien]

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl. Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

I wouldn't do that if I were you. The mods have ruled that called trans people "it" is trolling/flamebaiting.

Yeah, I think I know that little warning from it better than alot of people.
Releign-Fretten-Verdum-Host of other nations-Haladrien

[The Time Alliance]

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl. Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

I wouldn't do that if I were you. The mods have ruled that called trans people "it" is trolling/flamebaiting.

Call them by what they prefer to be called.

We all call Olthar a she/her as she is a she/her besides physically not being one.

Olthar isn't an 'it'. Nor could she ever be.

[Kelinfort]

No. She always knew she was female. Physically, she resembled a male, but psychologically she is female.

See, this is the kind of nonsense that makes me lose you guys. No, you were at one point male. Fine. You had a strong desire to be female, and so you took action to change that and become female. Also totally cool.

But let's not pretend you were somehow, mystically, always female. You weren't. Physically you did not "resemble" a male, you were male. The labels of male and female only makes sense within a discussion of physical traits. Gender identification is nonsense, and this is just one of the many, many reasons why that is the case. On the one hand, you people want to say gender and sex are not related (which I agree with), but then you turn right around and spew this double-think. "Oh, I wasn't a guy, I was always female, I just didn't have the right body."

Come on. Seriously?

Physically. Seriously, I even said that. Look, psychology differs from physiology because of the fact it's not a gene expression. Consider the SRY Gene in males which is supposed to develop sexual organs. If that gene malfunctions, which it does, it results in a female phenotype with a male genotype. The female can identify as male and yet appear female. I admit, resemble was not the correct word, no a better word would be just straight up, "was biologically male." I apologise for that.

But to discount the fact that these people may in fact be victims of genetic disorders or diseases is absurd. This is why psychology is so much different from biologically. The phenotype is not the same as the genotype in all cases. Read these for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders

I think it should also be said I am a cis-Male with no problem with my gender or sex.

[Immoren]

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl. Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

I wouldn't do that if I were you. The mods have ruled that called trans people "it" is trolling/flamebaiting.

This also is indeed true.

I think.


Then again I've forgotten many things.


And am currently slightly tipsy.

[Person012345]

Not if you keep posting.

Well you obviously care then. your mustering the effort to type.

1. I have nothing better to do. I am here. It honestly is negligible effort to type. This doesn't imply I care about you or your opinion any more than some random youtube guy. It means I'm bored. 2. My post didn't address your actual opinion. I was not typing to tell you why your wrong. I am typing to inform you that noone cares what you have to say. Because they don't.

[Anubas]

change that habit because it's rude as fuck. she was biologically male but always psychologically female woman.

Fixed, even I know the difference between gender and sex. You can identify with whatever gender you want, but it's impossible to identify with another sex.

Sex: Male and Female (Not sure if intersex counts or not, though)

Gender: Man, Woman, Other

I use the terms male and female to refer to gender or sex. i was talking about gender when I said psychologically female.

[Haladrien]

Well you obviously care then. your mustering the effort to type.

1. I have nothing better to do. I am here. It honestly is negligible effort to type. This doesn't imply I care about you or your opinion any more than some random youtube guy. It means I'm bored. 2. My post didn't address your actual opinion. I was not typing to tell you why your wrong. I am typing to inform you that noone cares what you have to say. Because they don't.

Which is why you wrote that excessively long "Fuck you guy over the internet" that reeked of flame.

[Liriena]

No. She is a girl who is biologically male.

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl.

The problem seems to be that you have no idea how being transgender works.

A MtF transgender woman didn't change herself to a girl. What she did was accomodate her body and lifestyle to her pre-existing gender identity. Not going through gender confirmation surgery won't make you any less transgender.

Furthermore, refusing to acknowledge a transgender person's gender identity is not only impolite, it can also be psychologically damaging.

Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

Never refer to a fellow human being as "it". Being transgender doesn't make anyone less human.

[The Time Alliance]

It literally says he started out at as a guy, then changed himself to a girl.

The problem seems to be that you have no idea how being transgender works.

A MtF transgender woman didn't change herself to a girl. What she did was accomodate her body and lifestyle to her pre-existing gender identity. Not going through gender confirmation surgery won't make you any less transgender.

Furthermore, refusing to acknowledge a transgender person's gender identity is not only impolite, it can also be psychologically damaging.

Eventually I am going to type "it" out of pure habit.

Never refer to a fellow human being as "it". Being transgender doesn't make anyone less human.

Exactly. Refer to someone as they wish to be referred to.

[Liriena]

No. She always knew she was female. Physically, she resembled a male, but psychologically she is female.

See, this is the kind of nonsense that makes me lose you guys. No, you were at one point male. Fine. You had a strong desire to be female, and so you took action to change that and become female. Also totally cool.

But let's not pretend you were somehow, mystically, always female. You weren't. Physically you did not "resemble" a male, you were male. The labels of male and female only makes sense within a discussion of physical traits. Gender identification is nonsense, and this is just one of the many, many reasons why that is the case. On the one hand, you people want to say gender and sex are not related (which I agree with), but then you turn right around and spew this double-think. "Oh, I wasn't a guy, I was always female, I just didn't have the right body."

Come on. Seriously?

Given that there might be a biological basis to being transgender... yeah, I have to cry balderdash on your post here.

[Aurora Novus]

See, this is the kind of nonsense that makes me lose you guys. No, you were at one point male. Fine. You had a strong desire to be female, and so you took action to change that and become female. Also totally cool.

But let's not pretend you were somehow, mystically, always female. You weren't. Physically you did not "resemble" a male, you were male. The labels of male and female only makes sense within a discussion of physical traits. Gender identification is nonsense, and this is just one of the many, many reasons why that is the case. On the one hand, you people want to say gender and sex are not related (which I agree with), but then you turn right around and spew this double-think. "Oh, I wasn't a guy, I was always female, I just didn't have the right body."

Come on. Seriously?

Physically. Seriously, I even said that. Look, psychology differs from physiology because of the fact it's not a gene expression. Consider the SRY Gene in males which is supposed to develop sexual organs. If that gene malfunctions, which it does, it results in a female phenotype. The female can identify as male and yet appear female. I admit, resemble was not the correct word, no a better word would be just straight up, "was biologically male." I apologise for that.

But to discount the fact that these people may in fact be victims of genetic disorders or diseases is absurd. This is why psychology is so much different from biologically. The phenotype is not the same as the genotype in all cases. Read these for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders

I think it should also be said I am a cis-Male with no problem with my gender or sex.

I fail to see how this in anyway is a response to the point I was making. The terms "male" and "female" only make sense in a discussion of the physical. There is no such thing as a "male" or "female" gender. You are not a man due to psychology, nor a woman. There are only traits, which can appear in any sex.

Gender itself is a useless, and argubaly harmful, social construct. It's a false reality. So, no, if you're MtF, you weren't "always female" just because you claim your gender is female. You were still male (barring some potential biological curiosities, like you've pointed out). To call yourself a man or woman based on gender identity is meaningless and nonsensical.

[Saruhan]

Probably not. I mean for starters I've met a grand total of 1 transgendered person in my life (as in actually met, not seen) so the likelyhood of me getting together with one isn't really high on that front alone.

[Liriena]

But hey If you love a quasi woman go ahead.

Thanks for insulting transgender women, dude. I bet it makes you feel oh-so-manly to demean a minority with disproportionately high depression and suicide rates.

[Dyakovo]

Ignore the opinion of the stupid person who doesn't know what the fuck he is talking about and only says things because he's a little pussy who is scared of everything and has no empathy for any other human being than himself. It's not worth caring about.

So, people who let say dont want to hang out with people who are stinking are pussies? Insert stinking people with transgender and you have the same effect.

But hey If you love a quasi woman go ahead.

Trans* aren't quasi anything.

[Aurora Novus]

See, this is the kind of nonsense that makes me lose you guys. No, you were at one point male. Fine. You had a strong desire to be female, and so you took action to change that and become female. Also totally cool.

But let's not pretend you were somehow, mystically, always female. You weren't. Physically you did not "resemble" a male, you were male. The labels of male and female only makes sense within a discussion of physical traits. Gender identification is nonsense, and this is just one of the many, many reasons why that is the case. On the one hand, you people want to say gender and sex are not related (which I agree with), but then you turn right around and spew this double-think. "Oh, I wasn't a guy, I was always female, I just didn't have the right body."

Come on. Seriously?

Given that there might be a biological basis to being transgender... yeah, I have to cry balderdash on your post here.

You've missed my point. I'm not contesting biological realities, and I'm not saying that trasngenderism as a whole is something ridiculous. I'm saying gender identity is nonsense, and thus I don't buy into the notion that someone was "always female" just because of their gender identification. And I hold that view for everyone, trans or not. There are no "male" or "female" genders. There are only people with personality traits, which can occur in anyone of either sex. Really any sex, as it's arguable that there should be more sexual classifications than the current binary. Or at least a more detailed classification of the "male" and "female" sexes.

[Planeia]

I wouldn't do that if I were you. The mods have ruled that called trans people "it" is trolling/flamebaiting.

Call them by what they prefer to be called.

We all call Olthar a she/her as she is a she/her besides physically not being one.

Olthar isn't an 'it'. Nor could she ever be.

I don't mind using the pronouns for people's preferred genders.

But I refuse to use stupid ass made up pronouns like xi, hir, shi, ze, si, tre, ny, sfhsdgje, dsgdfgdfgi, fguhegerjgho, etc. I'd rather be rude than to put my tongue through all that work.

Nevertheless, 'he', 'she', or even 'it' if it's okay for some reason, is fine by me.

[Trollgaard]

Would I date a post op transgender person?

No, I would not. I want to have children someday.

[Person012345]

1. I have nothing better to do. I am here. It honestly is negligible effort to type. This doesn't imply I care about you or your opinion any more than some random youtube guy. It means I'm bored. 2. My post didn't address your actual opinion. I was not typing to tell you why your wrong. I am typing to inform you that noone cares what you have to say. Because they don't.

Which is why you wrote that excessively long "Fuck you guy over the internet" that reeked of flame.

?

I just explained to you why that doesn't imply any caring about your actual opinion. At the absolute most it would imply I cared about you spewing your opinion all over the forum. Although as I pointed out, it doesn't even mean that. It just means I'm bored.

[The Grey Wolf]

Uh, this is one of those questions that elicit multiple responses from me...

It really depends on the person. If I really, really like them, it would be awkward, but I guess it could work out.

It's not like she still has a penis.

But having children is something important to me.

So... maybe.

[Threlizdun]

Physically. Seriously, I even said that. Look, psychology differs from physiology because of the fact it's not a gene expression. Consider the SRY Gene in males which is supposed to develop sexual organs. If that gene malfunctions, which it does, it results in a female phenotype. The female can identify as male and yet appear female. I admit, resemble was not the correct word, no a better word would be just straight up, "was biologically male." I apologise for that.

But to discount the fact that these people may in fact be victims of genetic disorders or diseases is absurd. This is why psychology is so much different from biologically. The phenotype is not the same as the genotype in all cases. Read these for instance: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_chromosome_disorders

I think it should also be said I am a cis-Male with no problem with my gender or sex.

I fail to see how this in anyway is a response to the point I was making. The terms "male" and "female" only make sense in a discussion of the physical. There is no such thing as a "male" or "female" gender. You are not a man due to psychology, nor a woman. There are only traits, which can appear in any sex.

Gender itself is a useless, and argubaly harmful, social construct. It's a false reality. So, no, if you're MtF, you weren't "always female" just because you claim your gender is female. You were still male (barring some potential biological curiosities, like you've pointed out). To call yourself a man or woman based on gender identity is meaningless and nonsensical.

Gender is extremely important to many people and it absolutely does exist. Male and female are genders as well as sexes. Someone who has always belonged to the female gender while belonging to the male sex was always female. You do not address someone by their sexual organs, but their identity.

[The Time Alliance]

Call them by what they prefer to be called.

We all call Olthar a she/her as she is a she/her besides physically not being one.

Olthar isn't an 'it'. Nor could she ever be.

I don't mind using the pronouns for people's preferred genders.

But I refuse to use stupid ass made up pronouns like xi, hir, shi, ze, si, tre, ny, sfhsdgje, dsgdfgdfgi, fguhegerjgho, etc. I'd rather be rude than to put my tongue through all that work.

Nevertheless, 'he', 'she', or even 'it' if it's okay for some reason, is fine by me.

Oh yeah. I hate the "Xi" Pronoun.