Anti-Chinese riots in Vietnam

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

I do not think so. Most of them care only for the money, so it does not really matter what colour the hands holding the money is. That said, being the largest buyer can lead to monopolisation, even if it was not the intention.

There are always unintended consequences to things, I guess.

I'm sorry if my questions are weird. I don't live in an area with a big Chinese or Asian community. My town is very small compared to a metropolis like New York City or Auckland, NZ or any big city in other parts of SE Asia.

Auckland is not big, I don't know if you've been here before but it's pretty laughably small...

[Nanatsu no Tsuki]

There are always unintended consequences to things, I guess.

I'm sorry if my questions are weird. I don't live in an area with a big Chinese or Asian community. My town is very small compared to a metropolis like New York City or Auckland, NZ or any big city in other parts of SE Asia.

Auckland is not big, I don't know if you've been here before but it's pretty laughably small...

No, never been. But compared to the county I live in in Southern US, I am certain Auckland is a tad bigger and perhaps a bit more cosmopolitan than where I currently reside. That's what I meant when I said there isn't a big Chinese or Asian community where I live, because there really isn't.

For context, my county is the size, roughly, of the Gaza strip and only 12,000 people live in it. Asians make a 0.5% of the population.

BTW, your nation name always reminds me of reading Gargantua and Pantagruel when I was at uni.

[The New Lowlands]

Oh, I get it.

How so?

The Majapahit conquests of Indonesia, Sukhothai conquests of Lavo, and Delhi wars with the Ghaznavids were all the result of Western hegemony. *nods*

[Risottia]

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China.

In Vietnam? Hardly surprising. The last power to attack Vietnam was PRC, after all, and China is for sure Vietnam's foremost competitor, both in the internal and the foreign market.

I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.

No need to postulate Western intervention when you have a local explanation handy.

[The Montserrat Confederation]

Wouldn't it just be a pisser for the PRC if Vietnam aligned itself with the US/Japan because of this? I doubt it would happen, but it would definitely cause China's wheaties to taste little bit saltier.

[The Republic of Pantalleria]

How so?

The Majapahit conquests of Indonesia, Sukhothai conquests of Lavo, and Delhi wars with the Ghaznavids were all the result of Western hegemony. *nods*

What does it have to do with Vietnam though?

[Costa Fierro]

There are always unintended consequences to things, I guess.

I'm sorry if my questions are weird. I don't live in an area with a big Chinese or Asian community. My town is very small compared to a metropolis like New York City or Auckland, NZ or any big city in other parts of SE Asia.

Auckland is not big, I don't know if you've been here before but it's pretty laughably small...

It's still a very cosmopolitan city for a population of 1.5 million.

[Baltenstein]

The Majapahit conquests of Indonesia, Sukhothai conquests of Lavo, and Delhi wars with the Ghaznavids were all the result of Western hegemony. *nods*

What does it have to do with Vietnam though?

My post was a joke about the OP's "zomg evil west" message.

[The Greater Ohio Valley]

Despite the fact that these riots have nothing to do with American meddling- Nilfgaard, why are you against the US having a sphere of influence? You seem to support the idea well enough with any other state.

Because it seems to him that the United States is totally evil, and are imperialist warmongers who are responsible for every remotely bad thing that happens in this world, and countries like North Korea are the paragons of human society.

Or he could just be someone who likes to be edgey or a troll.

[Ethel mermania]

...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.

I've heard from a number of people (mainly Singaporeans) that ethnic Chinese born in places outside of the PRC don't like mainlanders. Is this because of what you said or is it because of other factors?

And Vietnam's issues with China are mainly political and stem from Cambodia.

my knowledge on southeast asian history is limited, but as i recall the issues stem for centuries, predating western colonization.

[Viritica]

China shouldn't be expanding so aggressively.

[Benuty]

Vietnam and China have been at each other's throats for decades. Centuries even, given that the Chinese use to have Vietnam as a colony. The issues between China and Vietnam are territorial and principally stem from territorial waters and the Spratly Islands.

And to the OP, this has nothing to do with the West. Quit spreading bullshit.

This is Nilfgaard we are talking about here Costa. Spreading bull waste, rubbing his dirty hands in it, and mingling with it is the only way for him to get his ovaltine and other essential vitamins/nutrients.

[AiliailiA]

Despite the fact that these riots have nothing to do with American meddling- Nilfgaard, why are you against the US having a sphere of influence? You seem to support the idea well enough with any other state.

Because it seems to him that the United States is totally evil, and are imperialist warmongers who are responsible for every remotely bad thing that happens in this world, and countries like North Korea are the paragons of human society.

Or he could just be someone who likes to be edgey or a troll.

Vietnam and China have been at each other's throats for decades. Centuries even, given that the Chinese use to have Vietnam as a colony. The issues between China and Vietnam are territorial and principally stem from territorial waters and the Spratly Islands.

And to the OP, this has nothing to do with the West. Quit spreading bullshit.

This is Nilfgaard we are talking about here Costa. Spreading bull waste, rubbing his dirty hands in it, and mingling with it is the only way for him to get his ovaltine and other essential vitamins/nutrients.

Let's not disrespect the contributions of Norstal and of Benshir to this thread, by making personal attacks on OP Nilfgaard. That's too easy. It dumbs the thread down.

I think it's up to powers on China's own scale to deal with China's illegal offshore drilling. I think small but closely targetted trade sanctions would be appropriate, and yes of course the Chinese government will massively over-react but so what? The West needs to stop being so easily bluffed by China.

[Brutland and Norden]

China shouldn't be expanding so aggressively.

True. It's not actually the USA that is surrounding China with hostile neighbors, it's actually China who is surrounding itself with hostile neighbors. Look at all the territorial disputes China has with most of her neighbors, and how China acts aggressively towards them.

[The Re-Frisivisiaing]

If there really is some vast conspiracy against China, instead of this just being China's own policy biting it in the ass, I'm glad. Fuck 'em.

[Benuty]

China shouldn't be expanding so aggressively.

True. It's not actually the USA that is surrounding China with hostile neighbors, it's actually China who is surrounding itself with hostile neighbors. Look at all the territorial disputes China has with most of her neighbors, and how China acts aggressively towards them.

Well given the territorial baiting they and other nations in the region tend to engage in due to petty historical rivalries it is unfortunate.

[Gigaverse]

As a local, I must say...

B*LLSH*T.

The riots here are all actually organized by gang-bosses with tattoos and opportunistic thieves stealing from other thugs and honest businessmen alike. They burn factories and destroy properties. If they love this country so much, go ahead and become soldiers or voluntary cannon fodders then - why destroy?

[Benuty]

As a local, I must say...

B*LLSH*T.

The riots here are all actually organized by gang-bosses with tattoos and opportunistic thieves stealing from other thugs and honest businessmen alike. They burn factories and destroy properties. If they love this country so much, go ahead and become soldiers or voluntary cannon fodders then - why destroy?

Why bother with censoring?

I mean the mods aren't that bad..most of the time. Either way, so basically criminal activity run amok?

[Thafoo]

Wooo! My home country is relevant!

[Gigaverse]

Incidentally, the riot targets pretty much every shops that use Chinese characters, meaning that Taiwanese and Japanese shops take the blow as well.

It's actually a pretty funny story, as Korean and Japanese shops and factories would hang those countries' flags or have an extra sign saying "WE LOVE VIETNAM".

My mother's company - one sponsored by the Japanese - still has a VERY BIG "VIETNAM" in its name. It has to display extra Vietnamese slogans still.

My cousin's company, on the other hand, is a Chinese branch of Adidas. It has to close down. Has to.

[Ethel mermania]

Because it seems to him that the United States is totally evil, and are imperialist warmongers who are responsible for every remotely bad thing that happens in this world, and countries like North Korea are the paragons of human society.

Or he could just be someone who likes to be edgey or a troll.

This is Nilfgaard we are talking about here Costa. Spreading bull waste, rubbing his dirty hands in it, and mingling with it is the only way for him to get his ovaltine and other essential vitamins/nutrients.

Let's not disrespect the contributions of Norstal and of Benshir to this thread, by making personal attacks on OP Nilfgaard. That's too easy. It dumbs the thread down.

I think it's up to powers on China's own scale to deal with China's illegal offshore drilling. I think small but closely targetted trade sanctions would be appropriate, and yes of course the Chinese government will massively over-react but so what? The West needs to stop being so easily bluffed by China.

i don't think the prc is bluffing.

[Luziyca]

As a local, I must say...

B*LLSH*T.

The riots here are all actually organized by gang-bosses with tattoos and opportunistic thieves stealing from other thugs and honest businessmen alike. They burn factories and destroy properties. If they love this country so much, go ahead and become soldiers or voluntary cannon fodders then - why destroy?

"But we can't loot property and burn factories if we join the military!" -thugs

They probably didn't meet the requirements anyway.

[Gigaverse]

As a local, I must say...

B*LLSH*T.

The riots here are all actually organized by gang-bosses with tattoos and opportunistic thieves stealing from other thugs and honest businessmen alike. They burn factories and destroy properties. If they love this country so much, go ahead and become soldiers or voluntary cannon fodders then - why destroy?

Why bother with censoring?

I mean the mods aren't that bad..most of the time. Either way, so basically criminal activity run amok?

I'm trying to be an elegant person, so censoring is obligatory for me.

Back to the topic: It's not THAT bad. They would avoid companies that have obvious "VIETNAM" or displaying flags not of the People's Republic of China. Otherwise, GOODBYE FACTORIES, GOODBYE A THIRD OF THE INDUSTRIAL COMPLEX.

And goodbye that smelly seafood factory that dumps waste water into the industrial sewage system too.

[Murkwood]

Wooo! My home country is relevant!

As long as we have history books, your home country will always be relevant.

[Gigaverse]

As a local, I must say...

B*LLSH*T.

The riots here are all actually organized by gang-bosses with tattoos and opportunistic thieves stealing from other thugs and honest businessmen alike. They burn factories and destroy properties. If they love this country so much, go ahead and become soldiers or voluntary cannon fodders then - why destroy?

"But we can't loot property and burn factories if we join the military!" -thugs

They probably didn't meet the requirements anyway.

I doubt it. Living here for long, I expect there to be very few who would NOT meet the requirements. The only way to actually "not meet the requirements" would be bribing. For industrial complexes located in the outer regions of HCMC, it's impossible to have that much people.

My mother's industrial complex alone had 300 thugs arrested today. I don't think there can be THAT many who don't meet requirements and still become thugs.