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Postby Imperial Nilfgaard » Wed May 14, 2014 11:08 pm

Riots and Violence against Chinese citizens is spiraling in Vietnam. Reports of factories being burned and ethnic Chinese businessmen fleeing is the unfortunate byproduct of this situation.
20 people have been killed thus far in the past day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... in-vietnam

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.

Vietnam must immediately work to contain this nationalist outburst, or bad things may come.
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Postby Alyakia » Wed May 14, 2014 11:15 pm


It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.


lol. do you think vietnam and china would be holding hands in harmony if it wasn't for the west? do you even know why things like this are happening?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:16 pm

Vietnam and China have been at each other's throats for decades. Centuries even, given that the Chinese use to have Vietnam as a colony. The issues between China and Vietnam are territorial and principally stem from territorial waters and the Spratly Islands.

And to the OP, this has nothing to do with the West. Quit spreading bullshit.
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Postby Norstal » Wed May 14, 2014 11:22 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Riots and Violence against Chinese citizens is spiraling in Vietnam. Reports of factories being burned and ethnic Chinese businessmen fleeing is the unfortunate byproduct of this situation.
20 people have been killed thus far in the past day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... in-vietnam

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.

Vietnam must immediately work to contain this nationalist outburst, or bad things may come.

...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 14, 2014 11:25 pm

Norstal wrote:
Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Riots and Violence against Chinese citizens is spiraling in Vietnam. Reports of factories being burned and ethnic Chinese businessmen fleeing is the unfortunate byproduct of this situation.
20 people have been killed thus far in the past day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... in-vietnam

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.

Vietnam must immediately work to contain this nationalist outburst, or bad things may come.

...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:26 pm

Norstal wrote:...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


I've heard from a number of people (mainly Singaporeans) that ethnic Chinese born in places outside of the PRC don't like mainlanders. Is this because of what you said or is it because of other factors?

And Vietnam's issues with China are mainly political and stem from Cambodia.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed May 14, 2014 11:26 pm

Incidentally, the riot targets pretty much every shops that use Chinese characters, meaning that Taiwanese and Japanese shops take the blow as well.
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Postby Shilya » Wed May 14, 2014 11:26 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Norstal wrote:...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?


Probably not until the rest of SE Asia sees some of the wealth. Given that the majority of China doesn't see any of it either, this could take a while.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:28 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?


Short of some horrid ethnic cleansing or at the very least, a less belligerent government in Beijing, no. China will test the limits of those it borders.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed May 14, 2014 11:28 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Norstal wrote:...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


I've heard from a number of people (mainly Singaporeans) that ethnic Chinese born in places outside of the PRC don't like mainlanders. Is this because of what you said or is it because of other factors?

And Vietnam's issues with China are mainly political and stem from Cambodia.

Mostly political as far as I know. Many overseas Chinese are refugees fleeing PRC, so mainlanders in general are not exactly hold with high regards as a result.
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Postby Ardoki » Wed May 14, 2014 11:30 pm

It is just about time for China to liberate Vietnam.

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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:31 pm

Tuthina wrote:Mostly political as far as I know. Many overseas Chinese are refugees fleeing PRC, so mainlanders in general are not exactly hold with high regards as a result.


Not migrants? Hell, people where I live (which is NZ) are claiming that the Chinese are behind recent property bubbles and all sorts of things. There's calls from the left wing for tougher immigration.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 14, 2014 11:32 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?


Short of some horrid ethnic cleansing or at the very least, a less belligerent government in Beijing, no. China will test the limits of those it borders.


How unfortunate.
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Postby The New Lowlands » Wed May 14, 2014 11:33 pm

Despite the fact that these riots have nothing to do with American meddling- Nilfgaard, why are you against the US having a sphere of influence? You seem to support the idea well enough with any other state.

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Postby Tuthina » Wed May 14, 2014 11:37 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Tuthina wrote:Mostly political as far as I know. Many overseas Chinese are refugees fleeing PRC, so mainlanders in general are not exactly hold with high regards as a result.


Not migrants? Hell, people where I live (which is NZ) are claiming that the Chinese are behind recent property bubbles and all sorts of things. There's calls from the left wing for tougher immigration.

Well, they are not literally refugees, but many of them did move overseas to flee PRC, so close enough.

Chinese do have a tendency to create property bubbles though. It is like a fetish for us.
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Postby Norstal » Wed May 14, 2014 11:37 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Norstal wrote:...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?

Given enough time and economic stabilization, things do get better. Or at least, that's what I heard back in my home country of Indonesia (holy crap we can learn Mandarin now! It was illegal back then...). There really isn't that much that can be done, especially so when a rather rich and powerful member of your own ethnicity (Liem Sui Liong) starts bribing the government to do some nefarious things, but that's besides the point.

The more affluent Chinese people moved away. The poorer ones are forced to assimilate. This is a hard issue for me to describe, but to give an example, the poorer Chinese people that I know of who lives in remote areas in Indonesia start picking up local languages and tan themselves. They can identify a Chinese by our lighter skin color, so what better way than to hide ourselves. They also have to change names so they can hide their Chinese identity, but this was probably already done years ago by the 1st or 2nd generation. Course, I'm speaking for the Chinese in Indonesia, but I heard it's pretty similar across SE Asia and the Philippines.

I can't really blame them for hating us. A few bad apple spoils the bunch, like that guy I just mentioned. But they have to understand that not all of us are like that.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Wed May 14, 2014 11:37 pm

Tuthina wrote:
Costa Fierro wrote:
Not migrants? Hell, people where I live (which is NZ) are claiming that the Chinese are behind recent property bubbles and all sorts of things. There's calls from the left wing for tougher immigration.

Well, they are not literally refugees, but many of them did move overseas to flee PRC, so close enough.

Chinese do have a tendency to create property bubbles though. It is like a fetish for us.


Pardon the ignorance but, what do you mean when you talk about ''property bubbles''?
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Postby Benshir » Wed May 14, 2014 11:39 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Riots and Violence against Chinese citizens is spiraling in Vietnam. Reports of factories being burned and ethnic Chinese businessmen fleeing is the unfortunate byproduct of this situation.
20 people have been killed thus far in the past day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... in-vietnam

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.

Vietnam must immediately work to contain this nationalist outburst, or bad things may come.

With all due respect, China and Vietnam go a long way back. And moving oil rigs into Vietnamese waters, operational oil rigs mind you, is not the most cordial thing to do.

What did you expect the Vietnamese to do? They were watercannon-ed in their own waters.
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Norstal wrote:
Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Is there anything that can be done, if there's anything at all that is, to stop the conflict?

Given enough time and economic stabilization, things do get better. Or at least, that's what I heard back in my home country of Indonesia (holy crap we can learn Mandarin now! It was illegal back then...). There really isn't that much that can be done, especially so when a rather rich and powerful member of your own ethnicity (Liem Sui Liong) starts bribing the government to do some nefarious things, but that's besides the point.

The more affluent Chinese people moved away. The poorer ones are forced to assimilate. This is a hard issue for me to describe, but to give an example, the poorer Chinese people that I know of who lives in remote areas in Indonesia start picking up local languages and tan themselves. They can identify a Chinese by our lighter skin color, so what better way than to hide ourselves. They also have to change names so they can hide their Chinese identity, but this was probably already done years ago by the 1st or 2nd generation. Course, I'm speaking for the Chinese in Indonesia, but I heard it's pretty similar across SE Asia and the Philippines.

I can't really blame them for hating us. A few bad apple spoils the bunch, like that guy I just mentioned. But they have to understand that not all of us are like that.


Damn. I was really unaware of this happening. :/
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Wed May 14, 2014 11:42 pm

Imperial Nilfgaard wrote:Riots and Violence against Chinese citizens is spiraling in Vietnam. Reports of factories being burned and ethnic Chinese businessmen fleeing is the unfortunate byproduct of this situation.
20 people have been killed thus far in the past day.
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/m ... in-vietnam

It is sad to see such hostility against the People's Republic of China. I feel like the West is purposefully trying to stoke tension in the region by pitting China's neighbors against Beijing in a thinly veiled containment policy.
"Pivot to Asia" as they like to call it.
Obama's Sino-phobic Asia tour last month as a good example of this policy.

Vietnam must immediately work to contain this nationalist outburst, or bad things may come.

No it's not that, IT'S THE FACT THAT THE CHINESE GOVERNMENT CAN'T RESPECT INTERNATIONAL LAW. Seriously, why can't the Government understand that before it tries to invade other territories it has to secure its own borders first, the Russians are already facing sanctions, and practically every single neighbour China has excluding North Korea and Russia hate the Government for this madness of theirs.
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Postby Norstal » Wed May 14, 2014 11:42 pm

Costa Fierro wrote:
Norstal wrote:...Most of South-East Asia hates Chinese people because they are seen as rich, powerful, and controlling. This is a historic issue. This isn't new. The U.S's strategy in Asia don't really contribute to it. I say this as someone who has live in SE Asia as an ethnic Chinese who was born there.


I've heard from a number of people (mainly Singaporeans) that ethnic Chinese born in places outside of the PRC don't like mainlanders. Is this because of what you said or is it because of other factors?

And Vietnam's issues with China are mainly political and stem from Cambodia.

I don't like mainlanders because they're uncultured, not that it's their fault I guess. You'll notice there's a rather big difference in the way people from HK or Taiwan act in the public compared to mainlanders. Understand that overseas Chinese are the more affluent, elite Chinese who were able to escape the communist regime back way then. I'm more talking about how the natives of the countries we land to tend to dislike us because of that affluence.

And yeah, you're right about their issues being political, but I do think there's some historical grudge against Chinese people across SE Asia.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:43 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:How unfortunate.


That depends on where you sit. For China, it is seeing how ductile the neighbors are and how many times it can dump the proverbial trash over the fence before they do anything. And if it can force the hand of said neighbors, China can get some pretty valuable stuff, such as oil underneath the South China Sea (the drilling of which is what sparked these riots apparently). China can also apply economic pressure on these countries to get what it wants, which is beneficial from Beijing's perspective as it increases Chinese exports and increases profits for Chinese businesses.

For Vietnam, it doesn't have the economic or military clout and it's put in a difficult situation. Yes, China is pushing you around. But you can't fight them, because the Chinese are the schoolyard bullies and will profess innocence whenever the shit hits the fan. Vietnam's solution would be to enter in some sort of defence agreement with another state. But this could pose problems, mainly because Vietnam also has territorial disputes with other states which have American backing.

It's a bit of a mire when you think about it.
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Postby Tuthina » Wed May 14, 2014 11:44 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Tuthina wrote:Well, they are not literally refugees, but many of them did move overseas to flee PRC, so close enough.

Chinese do have a tendency to create property bubbles though. It is like a fetish for us.


Pardon the ignorance but, what do you mean when you talk about ''property bubbles''?

Buying land/real estates en masse with the intention of selling them at higher price, basically thinking them as stocks. This is a common practice amongst the wealthier Chinese cities.

It also have the effects of messing with the price of real estates.
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Postby The Republic of Pantalleria » Wed May 14, 2014 11:44 pm

Nonetheless, what has happened in Vietnam is unacceptable, if they really wanted to hurt China, they should have sown nationalistic discord between the people within China, for example over 90% of the people in Hong Kong and Macau hate Beijing, Tibet hates Beijing there was a terrorist attack last year just outside the Forbidden Palace because of a group that wanted to be independent and so on and so forth.
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Postby Costa Fierro » Wed May 14, 2014 11:45 pm

Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Tuthina wrote:Well, they are not literally refugees, but many of them did move overseas to flee PRC, so close enough.

Chinese do have a tendency to create property bubbles though. It is like a fetish for us.


Pardon the ignorance but, what do you mean when you talk about ''property bubbles''?


We're currently in the middle of a property bubble where the average asking prices of houses in some of the big cities are about half a million in US pesos, when they'd be half of that under normal conditions. And left-wing shrills are blaming the Chinese, who are the largest buyers of property here, even though foreign buyers account for less than 10% of the total market.
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