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Well, everyone knows that the USA has a major education problem. But, is raising the budget nessacery to excel? Some proof that the USA lacks education is this, article: http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/05/27/onl ... correctly/
Here's more proof: The USA ranks 25th in the world for math, and 30th for reading in the world. These seem awful high, but, it doesn't make sense that FINLAND ranks higher than us in math, and MALAYSIA ranks higher inreading. The USA is lagging behind. Apparently, we failed our last generation, now, we continue to fail our students.
So, should the USA raise the budget for education?

For me, yes. The students should be educated more. We don't want students who think we lived with dinosaurs, or to think that it takes 24 hours for the earth to go around the sun.

Yes, please. Take some money from the military and give it to the education area. Hell, take some from the military and give it to NASA.
EDIT: What's wrong with Finland?

Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

Ziegenhain wrote:Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

No, but money can provide for better equipment to help the students learn. Updated peridoc tables, projectors, updated textbooks..

Ziegenhain wrote:Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

Spending more money means you can pay for more teachers, which means there is a better student to teacher ratio, which really helps. And to answer the question, yes, but common core was not the way to go about it.

The US does not fund education nationally. It does fund some on the state level but most of the funding is on the school district level, more or less town by town. Good luck getting them to raise education budgets after some people convinced them that we could have a world-class education system for free.

I'm not entirely sure that simply raising the education budget would suffice. The quality of education has been slipping. It seems like all the attempts to make certain that everyone manages to learn the same things only really prevents those who are capable of more from reaching their full potential because their class is full of students who don't care about learning.

Also, it will be impossible for the US to truly advance in education, as long as a significant minority insists on attempting to remove information from textbooks that contradicts the Bible.

How many americans still praise the sun? (I crack myself up sometimes.)

but seriously the us needs to haul ass and improve education or else its going to come crashing down due to a poorly educated populace.

the education program could use more funding but what really needs to happen is to have teachers who have more extensive education such as Finland which i think it takes 6 years of college to become a teacher

Aeternabilis wrote:

Ziegenhain wrote:Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

No, but money can provide for better equipment to help the students learn. Updated peridoc tables, projectors, updated textbooks..

You bought a new projector!

However, your students are still dicking around in class and don't show any enthusiasm to learn anything today.

Merizoc wrote:

Ziegenhain wrote:Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

Spending more money means you can pay for more teachers, which means there is a better student to teacher ratio, which really helps. And to answer the question, yes, but common core was not the way to go about it.

Again.

You can spend all the money you want on education, but it won't matter unless you have students who are willing to want to learn and understand more.

While it is entirely necessary to increase the education budget considerably, allowing for updated textbooks and facts (I believe the famous joke is: the textbooks are so old they refer to the Civil Rights movement as "trouble ahead"), while additionally decreasing the student:teacher ratio, it will not solve the problem entirely. I believe the expression works something to the order of: If you wish for a peoples to become sea-farers, do not say to them, "You, build this, and you, that," but inspire them of the wonders beyond the horizon.

Ziegenhain wrote:

Aeternabilis wrote:No, but money can provide for better equipment to help the students learn. Updated peridoc tables, projectors, updated textbooks..

You bought a new projector!

However, your students are still dicking around in class and don't show any enthusiasm to learn anything today.

Merizoc wrote:Spending more money means you can pay for more teachers, which means there is a better student to teacher ratio, which really helps. And to answer the question, yes, but common core was not the way to go about it.

Again.

You can spend all the money you want on education, but it won't matter unless you have students who are willing to want to learn and understand more.

Have you been through the public school system? Because I have. Many classes have 25-30 students in them. When classes are smaller, the teachers are able to pay more individual attention to the students, and encourage and help them.

Indian Empire wrote:Well, everyone knows that the USA has a major education problem. But, is raising the budget nessacery to excel? Some proof that the USA lacks education is this, article: http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/05/27/onl ... correctly/
Here's more proof: The USA ranks 25th in the world for math, and 30th for reading in the world. These seem awful high, but, it doesn't make sense that FINLAND ranks higher than us in math, and MALAYSIA ranks higher inreading. The USA is lagging behind. Apparently, we failed our last generation, now, we continue to fail our students.
So, should the USA raise the budget for education?

For me, yes. The students should be educated more. We don't want students who think we lived with dinosaurs, or to think that it takes 24 hours for the earth to go around the sun.

really?

Well this is news to me. I mean the USA is a very advanced country. I've always though the US had one of the best education systems in the world; I mean all of the world's most prestigious universities (besides Oxford and Cambridge) seemed to be there... Harvard, Yale, MIT etc.

They have an education problem?

I guess you learn something new every day.

Yeah i guess they could raise the budget if there is a problem.

Definitely yes.

No, it's not money that's the issue. Hasn't this already been debated to death?

Yes, we should. However, we should also work to reform it.

Aeternabilis wrote:

Ziegenhain wrote:Spending more money doesn't mean you'll magically get students to learn and understand more material.

No, but money can provide for better equipment to help the students learn. Updated peridoc tables, projectors, updated textbooks..

One can't fix anti-intellectualism though and the US has a fair bit of it. Money can't cure religious zealots who oppose science.

Farnhamia wrote:The US does not fund education nationally. It does fund some on the state level but most of the funding is on the school district level, more or less town by town. Good luck getting them to raise education budgets after some people convinced them that we could have a world-class education system for free.

Yes we do, if by "fund nationally" you mean federal grants.

Can't afford it. Or anything. US is broke.

Yes, this would have been possible, if Al Gore were in power

Infected Mushroom wrote:

Indian Empire wrote:Well, everyone knows that the USA has a major education problem. But, is raising the budget nessacery to excel? Some proof that the USA lacks education is this, article: http://skeptoid.com/blog/2011/05/27/onl ... correctly/
Here's more proof: The USA ranks 25th in the world for math, and 30th for reading in the world. These seem awful high, but, it doesn't make sense that FINLAND ranks higher than us in math, and MALAYSIA ranks higher inreading. The USA is lagging behind. Apparently, we failed our last generation, now, we continue to fail our students.
So, should the USA raise the budget for education?

For me, yes. The students should be educated more. We don't want students who think we lived with dinosaurs, or to think that it takes 24 hours for the earth to go around the sun.

really?

Well this is news to me. I mean the USA is a very advanced country. I've always though the US had one of the best education systems in the world; I mean all of the world's most prestigious universities (besides Oxford and Cambridge) seemed to be there... Harvard, Yale, MIT etc.

They have an education problem?

I guess you learn something new every day.

Yeah i guess they could raise the budget if there is a problem.

The universities aren't the same as the public schooling.

Sturmtiger wrote:No, it's not money that's the issue. Hasn't this already been debated to death?

There's only so much you can reform within the system. While reform is also a necessity, a boost in funds would help greatly too.

Yes, maybe the US needs to raise its education budget. There are many school districts in sore need of more funds in order to be able to provide better facilities and equipment to the student body so they can learn way better than they do. Areas where poverty levels are at a high, the schools tend to fall in a limbo financially and although not entirely their fault, the drop-out rates are higher than in more affluent areas.

Pandeeria wrote:

Sturmtiger wrote:No, it's not money that's the issue. Hasn't this already been debated to death?

There's only so much you can reform within the system. While reform is also a necessity, a boost in funds would help greatly too.

Funds won't fix anti-intellectualism that is all too common in the US. I am afraid that culture may be why America has issues.

The Serbian Empire wrote:

Pandeeria wrote:
There's only so much you can reform within the system. While reform is also a necessity, a boost in funds would help greatly too.

Funds won't fix anti-intellectualism that is all too common in the US. I am afraid that culture may be why America has issues.

Please elaborate.