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What should be done about Anti-Semitism?

It should be discouraged.
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It should be on the same level as racism.
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53%
It's not a huge problem.
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10%
The Jews deserve it.
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10%
Other
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As a Jew, I still haven't gotten my invitation to the cabal that runs the world
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Postby Murkwood » Thu May 15, 2014 6:23 am

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Murkwood wrote:As I said, Laos is too poor to care.

Africa is even poorer than Asia, yet it still has pretty high percentages of antisemitic people. Poverty doesn't get rid of antisemitism; someone with no money can hate Jews just as much as someone with tons of money.

In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 15, 2014 6:30 am

Murkwood wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Africa is even poorer than Asia, yet it still has pretty high percentages of antisemitic people. Poverty doesn't get rid of antisemitism; someone with no money can hate Jews just as much as someone with tons of money.

In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.

Well Loas does have a religious population except its persecuted to the point it makes China in the cultural revolution look like paradise. I mean they have freedom of religion but damn if they don't pride themselves on persecution.
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Postby Murkwood » Thu May 15, 2014 6:31 am

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Murkwood wrote:In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.

Well Loas does have a religious population except its persecuted to the point it makes China in the cultural revolution look like paradise. I mean they have freedom of religion but damn if they don't pride themselves on persecution.

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Postby Murkwood » Thu May 15, 2014 6:33 am

What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 15, 2014 6:37 am

Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.


Cultural ingratiation of practices handed over from centuries before hand which have started to resurface. Europe had a cool down era after it had some fun wiping out 13 million people in Genocide, either way this horrified people and it made people realize this is damn stupid. Unfortunately the generation not heavily influenced by such a horror listens all to well to their elders especially when it comes to carrying over bigotry. Naturally anti-antisemitism is only one of the consequences of far right parties which have grown in the past decade. These parties need a core to feed off of and will appeal to all factors when trying to run for office.
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Thu May 15, 2014 6:38 am

Murkwood wrote:In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.

Everything south of the Sahara is Christian, but the non-Muslim countries hate Jews almost just as much as the Muslims in Africa. Hell, South Africa (a mostly Christian country) has 38% antisemitism, while Kazakhstan, a Muslim country, has only 32%. Religion has nothing to do with hating Jews.

Hell, South Korea has 53% antisemitism, even though the majority of the population isn't religious. Even China, a country run by atheists, has 20%; several times more than the US and UK, both Christian-majority countries.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 15, 2014 6:40 am

Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.

Because Jews and darkies are the root of all European woes, including Europe.
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Postby Benuty » Thu May 15, 2014 6:40 am

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Murkwood wrote:In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.

Everything south of the Sahara is Christian, but the non-Muslim countries hate Jews almost just as much as the Muslims in Africa. Hell, South Africa (a mostly Christian country) has 38% antisemitism, while Kazakhstan, a Muslim country, has only 32%. Religion has nothing to do with hating Jews.

Hell, South Korea has 53% antisemitism, even though the majority of the population isn't religious. Even China, a country run by atheists, has 20%; several times more than the US and UK, both Christian-majority countries.


If 50.7 percent of a country claims no religion or non-religiously affiliated then they probably are not a christian majority country anymore [the UK].
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Postby Fascist Russian Empire » Thu May 15, 2014 6:42 am

Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.

Everyone should be anti-Zionists. Religious nationalism is never good, regardless of who's doing it. Jewish nationalism, Muslim nationalism, Christian nationalism, Buddhist nationalism; no form of religious nationalism should be encouraged.

Oh and, for the record, anti-Zionism isn't antisemitism. Opposition to Israel doesn't equal opposition to Jews, and attempting to silence critics of Israel by calling them antisemites is fucking bullshit.

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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 15, 2014 6:47 am

Benuty wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Everything south of the Sahara is Christian, but the non-Muslim countries hate Jews almost just as much as the Muslims in Africa. Hell, South Africa (a mostly Christian country) has 38% antisemitism, while Kazakhstan, a Muslim country, has only 32%. Religion has nothing to do with hating Jews.

Hell, South Korea has 53% antisemitism, even though the majority of the population isn't religious. Even China, a country run by atheists, has 20%; several times more than the US and UK, both Christian-majority countries.


If 50.7 percent of a country claims no religion or non-religiously affiliated then they probably are not a christian majority country anymore [the UK].

I believe that Christianity is still the largest religious group in the UK, however.

According to the 2011 Census, as listed on wiki, only 32% of English and 33% of UK citizens claimed to be of no religion or chose to not divulge their religion. Meanwhile, 59.4% of English and 59.5% of UK citizens claimed to be of Christian denomination or identified as Christian (contrasting with over 82% in Northern Ireland).

"Total non-Christian religion" was pegged at 8% in England and 9% in the UK.
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Postby Murkwood » Thu May 15, 2014 6:51 am

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Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.

Everyone should be anti-Zionists. Religious nationalism is never good, regardless of who's doing it. Jewish nationalism, Muslim nationalism, Christian nationalism, Buddhist nationalism; no form of religious nationalism should be encouraged.

Oh and, for the record, anti-Zionism isn't antisemitism. Opposition to Israel doesn't equal opposition to Jews, and attempting to silence critics of Israel by calling them antisemites is fucking bullshit.

In the cases of these parties, anti Semitism and anti Zionist go hand in hand.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 15, 2014 6:57 am

Fascist Russian Empire wrote:
Murkwood wrote:In Africa, they have extreme Islam, which hates Jews. People in Laos pretty much don't have religion to speak of, and probably don't know who Jews are.

Everything south of the Sahara is Christian, but the non-Muslim countries hate Jews almost just as much as the Muslims in Africa. Hell, South Africa (a mostly Christian country) has 38% antisemitism, while Kazakhstan, a Muslim country, has only 32%. Religion has nothing to do with hating Jews.

Hell, South Korea has 53% antisemitism, even though the majority of the population isn't religious. Even China, a country run by atheists, has 20%; several times more than the US and UK, both Christian-majority countries.



It is the religion or type of atheism in question, not religion or lack of it in itself that is important.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 15, 2014 6:59 am

Murkwood wrote:
Fascist Russian Empire wrote:Everyone should be anti-Zionists. Religious nationalism is never good, regardless of who's doing it. Jewish nationalism, Muslim nationalism, Christian nationalism, Buddhist nationalism; no form of religious nationalism should be encouraged.

Oh and, for the record, anti-Zionism isn't antisemitism. Opposition to Israel doesn't equal opposition to Jews, and attempting to silence critics of Israel by calling them antisemites is fucking bullshit.

In the cases of these parties, anti Semitism and anti Zionist go hand in hand.

"Anti-Zionism" gets people on board. "Anti-semitism" scares them all away, because of Nazi connotations.

But anti-Zionism, that's been the hip thing for about a decade. Everyone hates what Israel does to the Palestinians (myself included, though I support the existence of an Israeli state), and it makes a nice unobtrusive vehicle from which to launch actual anti-semitic statements.
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 15, 2014 7:04 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
Murkwood wrote:In the cases of these parties, anti Semitism and anti Zionist go hand in hand.

"Anti-Zionism" gets people on board. "Anti-semitism" scares them all away, because of Nazi connotations.

But anti-Zionism, that's been the hip thing for about a decade. Everyone hates what Israel does to the Palestinians (myself included, though I support the existence of an Israeli state), and it makes a nice unobtrusive vehicle from which to launch actual anti-semitic statements.


Hating what they do is not anti-Zionism though.
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Postby Alyakia » Thu May 15, 2014 7:04 am

Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.


you'll need to prove a source for this actually. groups like the EDL and probably UKIP are actually very zionist.
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Postby Imperializt Russia » Thu May 15, 2014 7:05 am

The Nihilistic view wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:"Anti-Zionism" gets people on board. "Anti-semitism" scares them all away, because of Nazi connotations.

But anti-Zionism, that's been the hip thing for about a decade. Everyone hates what Israel does to the Palestinians (myself included, though I support the existence of an Israeli state), and it makes a nice unobtrusive vehicle from which to launch actual anti-semitic statements.


Hating what they do is not anti-Zionism though.

My point was more that people rarely get "Zionism" as an issue "right". In that few people who are vocally against it, are actually against "Zionism". They're against some Israeli practice or fact.
Or they are in fact anti-Semites looking for a cover.
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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu May 15, 2014 7:07 am

Imperializt Russia wrote:
The Nihilistic view wrote:
Hating what they do is not anti-Zionism though.

My point was more that people rarely get "Zionism" as an issue "right". In that few people who are vocally against it, are actually against "Zionism". They're against some Israeli practice or fact.
Or they are in fact anti-Semites looking for a cover.


Your comment reminded me of this.
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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Imperializt Russia wrote:My point was more that people rarely get "Zionism" as an issue "right". In that few people who are vocally against it, are actually against "Zionism". They're against some Israeli practice or fact.
Or they are in fact anti-Semites looking for a cover.


Your comment reminded me of this.

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Soldati senza confini wrote:Did I just try to rationalize Murkwood's logic? Please shoot me.

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Postby Mormak » Thu May 15, 2014 7:08 am

Western European Republic wrote:The following are quotes from Sartre's "Anti-Semite and Jew". It should be very informative about certain nations who post vile, anti-Semitic things, like the Free Regime.

"The anti-Semite readily admits that the Jew is intelligent and hard-working; he will even confess himself inferior in these respects. This concession costs him nothing, for he has, as it were, put those qualities in parentheses. Or rather they derive their value from the one who possesses them: the more virtues the Jew has the more dangerous he will be. The anti-Semite has no illusions about what he is. He considers himself an average man, modestly average, basically mediocre. There is no example of an anti-Semite's claiming individual superiority over the Jews. But you must not think that he is ashamed of his mediocrity; he takes pleasure in it; I will even assert that he has chosen it. This man fears every kind of solitariness, that of the genius as much as that of the murderer; he is the man of the crowd. However small his stature, he takes every precaution to make it smaller, lest he stand out from the herd and find himself face to face with himself. He has made himself an anti-Semite because that is something one cannot be alone. The phrase, "I hate the Jews," is one that is uttered in chorus; in pronouncing it, one attaches himself to a tradition and to a community — the tradition and community of the mediocre.

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We are now in a position to understand the anti-Semite. He is a man who is afraid. Not of the Jews, to be sure, but of himself, of his own consciousness, of his liberty, of his instincts, of his responsibilities, of solitariness, of change, of society, and of the world — of everything except the Jews. He is a coward who does not want to admit his cowardice to himself ; a murderer who represses and censures his tendency to murder without being able to hold it back, yet who dares to kill only in effigy or protected by the anonymity of the mob; a malcontent who dares not revolt from fear of the consequences of his rebellion. In espousing Antisemitism, he does not simply adopt an opinion, he chooses himself as a person. He chooses the permanence and impenetrability of stone, the total irresponsibility of the warrior who obeys his leaders — and he has no leader. He chooses to acquire nothing, to deserve nothing; be assumes that everything is given him as his birthright-and he is not noble. He chooses finally a Good that is fixed once and for all, beyond question, out of reach; he dares not examine it for fear of being led to challenge it and having to seek it in another form. The Jew only serves him as a pretext; elsewhere his counterpart will make use of the Negro or the man of yellow skin. The existence of the Jew merely permits the anti-Semite to stifle his anxieties at their inception by persuading himself that his place in the world has been marked out in advance, that it awaits him, and that tradition gives him the right to occupy it. Antisemitism, in short, is fear of the human condition. The anti-Semite is a man who wishes to be pitiless stone, a furious torrent, a devastating thunderbolt-anything except a man."


And the french wonder why Sartre got mocked for using drugs every other day of his life, It was because he was high when he wrote this.

Seriously, it would explain this whole Freudian logic he is using.

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Postby Nanatsu no Tsuki » Thu May 15, 2014 7:10 am

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Nanatsu no Tsuki wrote:
Your comment reminded me of this.

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It's a medal or coin issued by Nazi Germany to some Zionists. It bears the swastika on one side and the Star of David on the other.

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The only way to stop anti-semitism is to overthrow the Zionist cabal of Jewish banking clans that secretly controls the world. *nods*
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Postby The Nihilistic view » Thu May 15, 2014 7:11 am

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Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.


you'll need to prove a source for this actually. groups like the EDL and probably UKIP are actually very zionist.


Yeah this. For example UKIP supports Israel's right to exist for a start.
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Postby Mormak » Thu May 15, 2014 7:12 am

European Socialist Republic wrote:The only way to stop anti-semitism is to overthrow the Zionist cabal of Jewish banking clans that secretly controls the world. *nods*


Good luck with that.

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Didn't Joe Biden say how Jews have disproportionally been behind many social movements?

That's not a bad thing. It sounds like a compliment.


Well the implications behind it may be a little different. If Jews have been behind many social movements (for better or worse), then that would imply that they have considerable social power. And given how they are about 1% of the US population, it is sometimes hard to view that great disproportionality as a mere coincidence.

Similarly, whites also have a great amount of social power, but that's to be expected as we are the majority of the population.
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Postby Libertarian California » Thu May 15, 2014 7:15 am

Murkwood wrote:What is up with Europe and it's Far-Right anti-Zionist parties?

The National Front, the BNP, UKIP (to an extent) are all anti-semetic. Of all the far-right parties, only that one in the Netherlands isn't. I think it's the Freedom Party, or something.


UKIP has a hard-on for Israel.
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